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Post by spoons on Oct 9, 2019 14:42:12 GMT -5
Radio is why literally irrelevant ad jingles are in the top 20
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 9, 2019 14:54:23 GMT -5
Radio is the reason we have all these songs sticking around so much, it really needs to be weighed lower. Streaming is just as much a culprit, though. Old Town Road and Sunflower are only where they are now because of streaming. |
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Post by Choco on Oct 9, 2019 14:59:22 GMT -5
Ah, the always messy discussion of why radio is irrelevant and streaming rulessssssss.
Streaming makes the charts much slower. Have you seen the Youtube charts?
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Post by lostinhavana on Oct 9, 2019 15:19:06 GMT -5
wasn’t expecting bandit to debut so high could we get 3 top 10 debuts this week?? |
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Post by ddlz on Oct 9, 2019 15:28:12 GMT -5
Radio is the reason we have all these songs sticking around so much, it really needs to be weighed lower. Streaming is just as much a culprit, though. Old Town Road and Sunflower are only where they are now because of streaming. Old Town Road and Sunflower are where they are now because millions of people still voluntary press play on them. And not because radio programmers are shoving them down people's throats. Big distinction. |
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Post by ddlz on Oct 9, 2019 15:33:36 GMT -5
Ah, the always messy discussion of why radio is irrelevant and streaming rulessssssss. Streaming makes the charts much slower. Have you seen the Youtube charts? The way we consume music has drastically changed. Doesn’t matter if we like it or not, it is what it is. Is it better to have slow or fast and inaccurate charts? Let's ask the UK. |
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Post by tanooki on Oct 9, 2019 15:49:53 GMT -5
Radio is the reason we have all these songs sticking around so much, it really needs to be weighed lower. Streaming is just as much a culprit, though. Old Town Road and Sunflower are only where they are now because of streaming. Those songs have been massive, though. A lot more songs get held up by radio alone. Don't Care, Talk, Sucker, Without Me, Happier, Dancing With a Stranger, etc... |
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Post by sirskimask on Oct 9, 2019 15:58:32 GMT -5
Can't believe Juice could potentially get another top 10 hit. Never would've seen that coming. Also looks like the radio impact for Circles is arriving. |
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Post by moonlite on Oct 9, 2019 17:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by mzumii on Oct 9, 2019 17:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by sam8432 on Oct 9, 2019 17:28:13 GMT -5
Can't believe Juice could potentially get another top 10 hit. Never would've seen that coming. Also looks like the radio impact for Circles is arriving. Juice or Justin? |
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Post by ddlz on Oct 9, 2019 17:51:17 GMT -5
Unless some miracle happens, two of the worst, most screechiest, unbearable songs of the year, Someone You Loved and Circles, are gonna be competing for #1 in a few weeks.  |
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Oct 9, 2019 17:59:34 GMT -5
Good as hell, keep going!
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Post by Abbaschand on Oct 9, 2019 18:07:37 GMT -5
Unless some tragedy happens, two of the best, most beautiful, heartbreaking songs of the year, Someone You Loved and Circles, are gonna be competing for #1 in a few weeks. |
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Post by rfucom on Oct 9, 2019 18:09:33 GMT -5
Can't believe Juice could potentially get another top 10 hit. Never would've seen that coming. Also looks like the radio impact for Circles is arriving. Juice or Justin? juice wrld - bandit |
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Post by rfucom on Oct 9, 2019 18:11:36 GMT -5
Unless some tragedy happens, two of the best, most beautiful, heartbreaking songs of the year, Someone You Loved and Circles, are gonna be competing for #1 in a few weeks. SYL have the airplay but not that far and Circles have the streams. Posty will have it. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 9, 2019 18:24:19 GMT -5
If a song can pull 85 million US streams for 60 straight weeks, it deserves it's spot on the charts. That shows real and raw consumption. The problem with massive radio songs and the longevity they tend to get on the charts is that radio can be really really slow in letting some of the biggest radio hits of a calendar year go and so you have songs spending 30+ weeks in the top 10 when the only metric they ever dominated in was on radio.
Look at how long songs like Shape of You and Perfect spent dominating radio and how long it took for radio to let them go after they dominated.
Also, with streaming, it's common ground for everyone. Get your fans to stream your songs and you'll do your numbers. With radio, it's not that clear cut. There's still a system of favoritism that exists. There's a select group of artists that consistently dominate and top the radio charts with their singles, regardless of how good or bad they are. Everyone else has to fight to get their songs played on more than two radio formats. They're not the same.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 9, 2019 18:26:43 GMT -5
Also, I'm happy new songs are debuting in the top 10 this week. I've been bored with chart watching these past couple of weeks because nothing exciting has happened.
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Post by ddlz on Oct 9, 2019 18:54:09 GMT -5
Like I said many times before, if the roles were reversed and pop was dominant and hip-hop was struggling on streaming, Billboard wouldn't entertain current ridiculous formula and shady gimmicks (on both singles and album charts) and wouldn't allow them to last not even for a month. Like one CEO said, Billboard is trying to blunt streaming’s momentum and help big pop stars and legacy artists struggling in new, unpredictable environment.
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Post by iHype. on Oct 9, 2019 19:00:48 GMT -5
Like I said many times before, if the roles were reversed and pop was dominant and hip-hop was struggling on streaming, Billboard wouldn't entertain current ridiculous formula and shady gimmicks (on both singles and album charts) and wouldn't allow them to last not even for a month. Like one CEO said, Billboard is trying to blunt streaming’s momentum and help big pop stars and legacy artists struggling in new, unpredictable environment. Sort of like when they had the nerve to do a 'Pop 100' and purposely discredit their own Hot 100, which I will never understand lol. Orr... R&B airplay not even counting practically the entire 90s.  |
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Post by mzumii on Oct 9, 2019 19:01:23 GMT -5
Unless some miracle happens, two of the worst, most screechiest, unbearable songs of the year, Someone You Loved and Circles, are gonna be competing for #1 in a few weeks. What a tragedy that two good songs are going to compete for #1 |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Oct 9, 2019 19:09:50 GMT -5
If a song can pull 85 million US streams for 60 straight weeks, it deserves it's spot on the charts. That shows real and raw consumption. The problem with massive radio songs and the longevity they tend to get on the charts is that radio can be really really slow in letting some of the biggest radio hits of a calendar year go and so you have songs spending 30+ weeks in the top 10 when the only metric they ever dominated in was on radio. Look at how long songs like Shape of You and Perfect spent dominating radio and how long it took for radio to let them go after they dominated. Also, with streaming, it's common ground for everyone. Get your fans to stream your songs and you'll do your numbers. With radio, it's not that clear cut. There's still a system of favoritism that exists. There's a select group of artists that consistently dominate and top the radio charts with their singles, regardless of how good or bad they are. Everyone else has to fight to get their songs played on more than two radio formats. They're not the same. Shape of You and Perfect were hugeee radio hits, but these two are not an example of this. SOY was the 2nd best selling song of 2017 and it was streamed 1 billion times that year (in the US). Perfect is still in the top 50 best selling songs (#47). That's What I Like and Without Me probably. |
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Post by ddlz on Oct 9, 2019 19:31:00 GMT -5
Like I said many times before, if the roles were reversed and pop was dominant and hip-hop was struggling on streaming, Billboard wouldn't entertain current ridiculous formula and shady gimmicks (on both singles and album charts) and wouldn't allow them to last not even for a month. Like one CEO said, Billboard is trying to blunt streaming’s momentum and help big pop stars and legacy artists struggling in new, unpredictable environment. Sort of like when they had the nerve to do a 'Pop 100' and purposely discredit their own Hot 100, which I will never understand lol. Orr... R&B airplay not even counting practically the entire 90s.  The worst thing is how only HDD and like one fucking CEO are willing to call them out considering their practices of favoring certain groups are so obvious and so out in the open. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Oct 9, 2019 19:41:55 GMT -5
If a song can pull 85 million US streams for 60 straight weeks, it deserves it's spot on the charts. That shows real and raw consumption. The problem with massive radio songs and the longevity they tend to get on the charts is that radio can be really really slow in letting some of the biggest radio hits of a calendar year go and so you have songs spending 30+ weeks in the top 10 when the only metric they ever dominated in was on radio. Look at how long songs like Shape of You and Perfect spent dominating radio and how long it took for radio to let them go after they dominated. Also, with streaming, it's common ground for everyone. Get your fans to stream your songs and you'll do your numbers. With radio, it's not that clear cut. There's still a system of favoritism that exists. There's a select group of artists that consistently dominate and top the radio charts with their singles, regardless of how good or bad they are. Everyone else has to fight to get their songs played on more than two radio formats. They're not the same. Shape of You and Perfect were hugeee radio hits, but these two are not an example of this. SOY was the 2nd best selling song of 2017 and it was streamed 1 billion times that year (in the US). Perfect is still in the top 50 best selling songs (#47). That's What I Like and Without Me probably. I know. I wasn't using Shape of You and Perfect as examples of songs that were only huge on radio. Everyone knows how much of a streaming giant Ed is. That's why I separated them from my original point. They are, however, examples of huge hits that radio was slow to let go of and they do that for almost all Ed Sheeran songs whether they're ballads or pop hits. |
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Post by Choco on Oct 9, 2019 21:21:48 GMT -5
You guys do know that radio does research to know what listeners enjoy so they can play something most people like instead of songs that will make people turn the station? It's not a couple guys on a station deciding what to play so that it can get 30 weeks on the chart annoy a couple guys on Pulse Music Board.
And the #1 song on radio still gets at least 90M listens per week. That's comparable to the #1 sobg on streaming.y
"Without Me" is the most played song on radio this year because some people enjoyed listening to it so much. Further proof of that? Her next release "Nightmare" died the minute audience feedback and callouts came back extremely negative.
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Post by Lukas on Oct 9, 2019 21:55:16 GMT -5
Streaming is technically the reason why the charts are slower.
While technically the streaming charts themselves are quite fast pacing, streaming is the reason why radio has to play proven hits such as Shape of You and Without Me more and lesser known songs less (they have to compete with streaming services).
So while radio is technically the metric getting slower, streaming is the reason why they are, in fact, getting slower.
So you can't say "OMG radio is so slow! It must be the cause of these slow charts!" You have to find out why.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 22:17:00 GMT -5
I hope Truth Hurts can stay at #1 this week and then break Iggy's record next week. If Highest In The Room gets #1 this week, Truth Hurts will return to #1 next week and tie the record, but I don't think it will last the week after due to it already peaking in performance and Someone You Loved gaining fast on radio. The song is almost guaranteed to tie, but breaking the record wouldn't be so certain anymore.
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Post by tanooki on Oct 9, 2019 22:19:57 GMT -5
Streaming is technically the reason why the charts are slower. While technically the streaming charts themselves are quite fast pacing, streaming is the reason why radio has to play proven hits such as Shape of You and Without Me more and lesser known songs less (they have to compete with streaming services). So while radio is technically the metric getting slower, streaming is the reason why they are, in fact, getting slower. So you can't say "OMG radio is so slow! It must be the cause of these slow charts!" You have to find out why. "You have to find out why" but you didn't really give a reason... |
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 9, 2019 22:23:36 GMT -5
Streaming is technically the reason why the charts are slower. While technically the streaming charts themselves are quite fast pacing, streaming is the reason why radio has to play proven hits such as Shape of You and Without Me more and lesser known songs less (they have to compete with streaming services). So while radio is technically the metric getting slower, streaming is the reason why they are, in fact, getting slower. So you can't say "OMG radio is so slow! It must be the cause of these slow charts!" You have to find out why. "You have to find out why" but you didn't really give a reason... Did you even read the rest of the post or did you just zero in on that last sentence? :sip2: |
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Post by tanooki on Oct 9, 2019 22:30:23 GMT -5
"You have to find out why" but you didn't really give a reason... Did you even read the rest of the post or did you just zero in on that last sentence?  He's saying that streaming is the culprit for slower radio but gives zero evidence which is what I was pointing out |
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