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Post by iHype. on Dec 25, 2019 18:18:50 GMT -5
I don't think the holiday songs' airplay points will be that high, given it's just three days of mass airplay (Monday-Wednesday). The radio tracking week just amplifies how Billboard’s H100 rules are arbitrary. Even labels do deals on Friday to launch a new track, but it certainly doesn’t have chart impact for the track’s first true week, because the airplay launch is bundled with previous week’s streams/sales. Regarding future holiday chart action, next year Xmas falls on Friday because of Leap Year. While Xmas on a Thursday clearly would be the ultimate max for streaming, that week should be incredibly solid. Streaming/sales through 24th and with 5 days of holiday airplay. The airplay tracking week has never ever made sense... at all, lol. I believe Billboard said its different because the airplay numbers come from Nielsen's own tracking, unlike sales/streams coming from retailers reporting, so they're able to get every radio station's information for the past week within hours versus having to wait a few days for all sales/streams info to roll in. However that still just doesn't seem logical imo. That's like streaming having a separate tracking week than album sales on Billboard 200. Every component should fall under the same tracking period. |
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Post by tanooki on Dec 25, 2019 18:21:02 GMT -5
The radio tracking week just amplifies how Billboard’s H100 rules are arbitrary. Even labels do deals on Friday to launch a new track, but it certainly doesn’t have chart impact for the track’s first true week, because the airplay launch is bundled with previous week’s streams/sales. Regarding future holiday chart action, next year Xmas falls on Friday because of Leap Year. While Xmas on a Thursday clearly would be the ultimate max for streaming, that week should be incredibly solid. Streaming/sales through 24th and with 5 days of holiday airplay. The airplay tracking week has never ever made sense... at all, lol. I believe Billboard said its different because the airplay numbers come from Nielsen's own tracking, unlike sales/streams coming from retailers reporting, so they're able to get every radio station's information for the past week within hours versus having to wait a few days for all sales/streams info to roll in. However that still just doesn't seem logical imo. That's like streaming having a separate tracking week than album sales on Billboard 200. Every component should fall under the same tracking period. What a lame excuse, lol. Why would it matter for the charts to be tabulated at the same time (on Sunday, I would assume.) Just have the radio numbers ready on Friday and spend the weekend getting the other info..lmao |
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Dec 25, 2019 18:35:24 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense to use a different tracking week for radio and different for sales and streaming, but hey, this is Billboard, the industry's Bible, where nothing makes sense.
I will be honest, I prefer Rolling Stone's chart methology. The only thing that Billboard has over Rolling Stone's charts, is history.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 18:49:43 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense to use a different tracking week for radio and different for sales and streaming, but hey, this is Billboard, the industry's Bible, where nothing makes sense. i will be honest, I prefer Rolling Stone's chart methology. The only thing that Billboard has over Rolling Stone's charts, is history. It lessens the chance of new songs from debuting high that have bought radio deals on day 1 so that’s a good thing I guess? |
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Dec 25, 2019 18:57:41 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense to use a different tracking week for radio and different for sales and streaming, but hey, this is Billboard, the industry's Bible, where nothing makes sense. i will be honest, I prefer Rolling Stone's chart methology. The only thing that Billboard has over Rolling Stone's charts, is history. It lessens the chance of new songs from debuting high that have bought radio deals on day 1 so that’s a good thing I guess? I don't see a problem with new songs debuting high is they have the sales and streams to debut high. The radio problem could always be solved by removing the radio component from the HOT 100 chart. I used to be a big fan of the UK charts ... until they came up with the ACR rules. Some mild re-current rules would do the trick, but a system where the #1 song can be put on ACR because it's slowly declining and losing the #1 position to some other song that is still less popular just doesn't make sense. All I want are charts with fair and sensible rules. Why is this so hard to achieve? Rolling Stone is leading the way right now |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 25, 2019 19:14:36 GMT -5
Since the parent of Billboard, Valencia Media now officially owns Nielsen Music, I don't see why they won't have the ability to have quicker access to component data and avoid some of the fiascos that have happened before then.
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Post by Normi on Dec 25, 2019 19:40:10 GMT -5
The New Zealand charts are perfect in my opinion
Australia has great charts too (minus 21 weeks and counting for Dance Monkey at #1)
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Post by thabb on Dec 25, 2019 19:58:42 GMT -5
I will be honest, I prefer Rolling Stone's chart methology. The only thing that Billboard has over Rolling Stone's charts, is history. bah. Rolling Stone still doesn't have video streaming, not even official video streaming… it doesn't paint a very complete picture of what's popular |
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Post by tuna on Dec 25, 2019 20:12:48 GMT -5
The New Zealand charts are perfect in my opinion Australia has great charts too (minus 21 weeks and counting for Dance Monkey at #1) I'm a big fan of the Canadian Hot 100. Aside from a few bizarre taste differences (Magic! was actually huge there) it's mostly solid stuff. Blinding Lights is at #9, Lover made it onto last year's year-end, and Lalala was a top 10 hit |
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Post by moonlite on Dec 25, 2019 20:15:22 GMT -5
I think the Hot 100 is fine mostly. The radio-tracking week thing is arbitrary but isn't really a big deal (except for in weeks like this or a ME! situation). It's biggest problem imo are those dumb UGC views that they count
Billboard's biggest problem is their album chart which is ridiculous and inaccurate with those bundles
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Post by korbel16 on Dec 25, 2019 21:06:02 GMT -5
I think the Hot 100 is fine mostly. The radio-tracking week thing is arbitrary but isn't really a big deal (except for in weeks like this or a ME! situation). It's biggest problem imo are those dumb UGC views that they count Billboard's biggest problem is their album chart which is ridiculous and inaccurate with those bundles exactly. I remember the week summer walker debuted at 2 with the biggest streaming week for an r&b album ever and was blocked by a k pop guy/band (that released mid week) because of f**king bundles and the next week dropped to like below the top 60. Bundles just make the whole bb200 totally inaccurate |
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Post by atg on Dec 25, 2019 22:23:25 GMT -5
If last christmas hits top 10 imma be so happy. Once u listen to it, u get the tune stuck in your head and its one of my favorite christmas songs
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Post by kimberly on Dec 25, 2019 22:47:23 GMT -5
If last christmas hits top 10 imma be so happy. Once u listen to it, u get the tune stuck in your head and its one of my favorite christmas songs it would have made it there already if this was a "hot 100 songs" chart but it has so many distinct covers that steal away Wham!'s thunder. I prefer the original, then Ariana Grande's cover, then Carly Rae's. |
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Post by tuna on Dec 25, 2019 23:51:53 GMT -5
9 minutes until Mariah goes back into hibernation
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Post by sirskimask on Dec 26, 2019 0:14:45 GMT -5
9 minutes until Mariah goes back into hibernation Not for the west coast lol |
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Post by nekotuo on Dec 26, 2019 8:57:52 GMT -5
I think the Hot 100 is fine mostly. The radio-tracking week thing is arbitrary but isn't really a big deal (except for in weeks like this or a ME! situation). It's biggest problem imo are those dumb UGC views that they count Billboard's biggest problem is their album chart which is ridiculous and inaccurate with those bundles exactly. I remember the week summer walker debuted at 2 with the biggest streaming week for an r&b album ever and was blocked by a k pop guy/band (that released mid week) because of f**king bundles and the next week dropped to like below the top 60. Bundles just make the whole bb200 totally inaccurate at least summer's longevity is really good and absolutely destroys that of that bts copy of a group. |
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Post by kimberly on Dec 26, 2019 9:00:14 GMT -5
Spotify numbers for Dec. 25 are in! Top 20 is a Christmas shotdown. #21 is The Box.
#1 - AIWFCIY [Mariah Carey] - 2.41 million
#2 - RATCT [Brenda Lee] - 2.29 million
#3 - Jingle Bell Rock [Bobby Helms] - 2.21 million
#4 - It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year [Andy Williams] - 1.98 million
#5 - The Christmas Song [Nat King Cole] - 1.96 million
#6 - Last Christmas [Wham!] - 1.75 million
#7 - A Holly Jolly Christmas [Burl Ives] - 1.70 million
#8 - Santa Tell Me [Ariana Grande] - 1.63 million
#9 - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! [Frank Sinatra] - 1.60 million
#10 - White Christmas [Bing Crosby] - 1.57 million
#11 - Feliz Navidad [Jose Feliciano] - 1.56 million
#12 - It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas [Michael Bublé] - 1.53 million
#13 - Holly Jolly Christmas [Michael Bublé] - 1.46 million
#14 - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) [Darlene Love] - 1.37 million
#15 - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) [John Lennon] - 1.36 million
#16 - Do They Know It's Christmas? [Band Aid 1984] - 1.35 million
#17 - Mistletoe [Justin Bieber] - 1.34 million
#18 - Wonderful Christmastime [Paul McCartney] - 1.33 million
#19 - Blue Christmas [Elvis Presley] - 1.32 million
#20 - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas [Perry Como] - 1.30 million
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Post by korbel16 on Dec 26, 2019 9:05:33 GMT -5
A lot of interesting things to happen in the next 2 weeks on the charts
1. Crazy new peaks for Christmas songs this week
2. Some surprise songs that go recurrent this week
3. The following week having new peaks for most of the hot 100 like the box, dance monkey, Roxanne etc.
Looking forward to the madness :)
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 26, 2019 9:21:18 GMT -5
Anyone think Daughtry will be able to debut with ALIVE?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 26, 2019 10:07:45 GMT -5
^Hopefully, his song managed enough sales for the week. It would be good to see him in the Hot 100.
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Post by gabe on Dec 26, 2019 10:11:03 GMT -5
WOW! SANTA TELL ME REALLY IS A CLASSIC ALREADY!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 26, 2019 10:26:57 GMT -5
The Country songs radio updates show a serious freeze effect going on yesterday in that genre's airplay except for a couple of holiday songs:
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/12/26
1(=) Post Malone - Circles 127.99(-0.86)
2(=) Lizzo - Good as Hell 125.63(-0.66)
3(=) Maroon 5 - Memories 112.37(+0.72)
4(=) Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours 103.23(-3.19)
5(=) Selena Gomez - Lose You to Love Me 103.13(-0.39)
6(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 99.46(-1.22)
7(=) SHAED - Trampoline 81.25(-0.39)
8(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 74.80(-0.85)
9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 72.97(+0.04)
10(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 65.61(-0.68)
13(+1) The Weeknd - Heartless 58.68(+0.56)
39(+2) DaBaby - BOP 33.64(+0.74)
-(-) Jonas Brothers - Like It's Christmas 12.96(+1.50)
-(-) Keith Urban - I'll Be Your Santa Tonight 6.09(+2.04)
-(-) Thomas Rhett - Christmas in the Country 5.99(+1.61)
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 26, 2019 11:33:55 GMT -5
#12 - It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas [Michael Bublé] - 1.53 million
#13 - Holly Jolly Christmas [Michael Bublé] - 1.46 million
These are by far the highest covers of a 'classic' Xmas radio songs, with the former passing the version most heard on radio. I wonder as the years pass if AC radio will start to shift more spins from the 'classic' versions to Bublé's versions. Of course, Bublé's high stream count could be heavily influenced by placement in Spotify's playlists.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 26, 2019 11:46:11 GMT -5
Senor Bublé's global power is crazy- per Kworb, he even had more points than the Queen of Christmas.
As for the radio tracking week- the official streaming/sales data supposedly takes more time to compile, whereas the airplay info is available quicker. That's the rationale- whether it's logical or not, well, that's debatable.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 26, 2019 12:01:55 GMT -5
^Yeah. I don't get why 'Christmas' is so popular worldwide in streaming.
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Post by lazer on Dec 26, 2019 12:34:35 GMT -5
Even though Christmas is over, the worst ain't over yet. The charts have to go through year-end countdowns, which I dislike more than Christmas season because it gives some songs a second wind like Girls Like You last year.
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 26, 2019 13:44:58 GMT -5
^Yeah. I don't get why 'Christmas' is so popular worldwide in streaming. There are what, two billion or so Christians worldwide? That should be enough of a reason. |
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 26, 2019 13:46:58 GMT -5
All Christians don't probably listen to Michael Bublé
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 26, 2019 13:49:33 GMT -5
All Christians don't probably listen to Michael Bublé Perhaps not, but it seems like almost every restaurant does xD. |
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Post by tuna on Dec 26, 2019 15:01:12 GMT -5
A lot of interesting things to happen in the next 2 weeks on the charts 1. Crazy new peaks for Christmas songs this week 2. Some surprise songs that go recurrent this week 3. The following week having new peaks for most of the hot 100 like the box, dance monkey, Roxanne etc. Looking forward to the madness :) The Christmas season is over now. All that’s left is for the songs to freefall. Maybe they’ll hold their positions but considering there’s going to be 0 streaming or sales from now until weeks end I don’t see an entirely Christmas top 10 like you might be imagining |
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