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Post by iHype. on Jan 2, 2020 16:42:09 GMT -5
Thinking about it, using bots to artificially inflate the streams of a song and just saying "Wow, looks like this is blowing up on TikTok!" is a pretty genius tactic. It's not like anyone below the age of 18 would question it. It's not that genius, because thankfully, TikTok keeps pages for songs with every clip they are used in, sorted by most viewed to least viewed. A claim of a song going viral on TikTok can be easily debunked. WOTW hasn't gone viral at all on TikTok. www.tiktok.com/music/Writing-on-the-Wall-6745292384965328898Only 4 videos with over 100k+ views, and all of them are from October. Compare that to a song like My Oh My which actually has gained some traction on TikTok, it has dozens of videos with millions of views. www.tiktok.com/music/My-Oh-My-6766725343320475649 |
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Post by violentdreams on Jan 2, 2020 17:01:12 GMT -5
Thinking about it, using bots to artificially inflate the streams of a song and just saying "Wow, looks like this is blowing up on TikTok!" is a pretty genius tactic. It's not like anyone below the age of 18 would question it. It's not that genius, because thankfully, TikTok keeps pages for songs with every clip they are used in, sorted by most viewed to least viewed. A claim of a song going viral on TikTok can be easily debunked. WOTW hasn't gone viral at all on TikTok. www.tiktok.com/music/Writing-on-the-Wall-6745292384965328898Only 4 videos with over 100k+ views, and all of them are from October. Compare that to a song like My Oh My which actually has gained some traction on TikTok, it has dozens of videos with millions of views. www.tiktok.com/music/My-Oh-My-6766725343320475649It would seem the labels have overplayed their hand this time. I hope Spotify actually investigates and calls them out on this, because I'm absolutely sure this isn't the only case of bots being used and accounts being hacked to provide fake streams to songs. It just happened to be super obvious this time because the artist in question is one that almost nobody in the real world cares about or listens to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 17:09:50 GMT -5
I think Mariah can fall 1-50 next year since Christmas is on a Friday
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Post by Mayman on Jan 2, 2020 17:11:38 GMT -5
See how quick y'all are to call rap songs "viral on Tik Tok" without any evidence! Thank you iHype. for giving us actual useful information. |
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Post by leonagwen on Jan 2, 2020 17:16:28 GMT -5
I cant wait to rub it in on those Mariah stans hehe. Too bad it'll bounce right back to #1 next year, so it'd hardly fallen off forever anyway.  A fall is a fall, and it will set the record for the biggest fall from #1. |
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Post by violentdreams on Jan 2, 2020 17:22:07 GMT -5
Too bad it'll bounce right back to #1 next year, so it'd hardly fallen off forever anyway. A fall is a fall, and it will set the record for the biggest fall from #1. I mean, does it really matter? Are people gonna see AIWFCIY reenter next year and say "Look, there's that song that broke the record for biggest fall from #1, what a flop"? |
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Post by leonagwen on Jan 2, 2020 17:24:22 GMT -5
A fall is a fall, and it will set the record for the biggest fall from #1. I mean, does it really matter? Are people gonna see AIWFCIY reenter next year and say "Look, there's that song that broke the record for biggest fall from #1, what a flop"? The price to pay from having a Christmas #1. |
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Post by lazer on Jan 2, 2020 17:34:35 GMT -5
Maybe French Montana made those bots.
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Post by garrettlen on Jan 2, 2020 17:35:38 GMT -5
I think Mariah can fall 1-50 next year since Christmas is on a Friday Assuming that AIWFCIY will be #1 again at the end of this year is exactly the problem I was posting about several weeks ago. And before y'all call me anti-Mariah, or anti-AIWFCIY, all I'm saying is that I don't want to see the SAME song dominate at the end of December for the rest of eternity. But whatever, unless Billboard sees it as a problem and does something about it, it really doesn't matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 17:39:25 GMT -5
First French adds 3 year old songs such as Lockjaw to his album to prevent it from flopping. Now he’s faking streams.
Impressive.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 2, 2020 17:53:43 GMT -5
Maybe French Montana made those bots. Well, if he could afford $1.5 million on a used car, I don't see why not. |
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Post by whales10268 on Jan 2, 2020 18:04:07 GMT -5
I think Mariah can fall 1-50 next year since Christmas is on a Friday Assuming that AIWFCIY will be #1 again at the end of this year is exactly the problem I was posting about several weeks ago. And before y'all call me anti-Mariah, or anti-AIWFCIY, all I'm saying is that I don't want to see the SAME song dominate at the end of December for the rest of eternity. But whatever, unless Billboard sees it as a problem and does something about it, it really doesn't matter. I think there’s great potential for other Christmas songs to catch up in popularity. |
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Post by thabb on Jan 2, 2020 18:08:26 GMT -5
What's the outlook for Heartless?
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Post by lazer on Jan 2, 2020 18:14:55 GMT -5
First French adds 3 year old songs such as Lockjaw to his album to prevent it from flopping. Now he’s faking streams. Impressive. Imagine being such a hack and a non-presence in your own songs that you’re desperate enough to make bots just to have high streaming numbers lmao. |
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 2, 2020 18:16:19 GMT -5
 At this situation lol
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 2, 2020 18:20:15 GMT -5
This is giving me second-hand embarrassment. Imagine being so desperate you resort to faking streams.
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Post by tuna on Jan 2, 2020 18:28:20 GMT -5
I think Mariah can fall 1-50 next year since Christmas is on a Friday Assuming that AIWFCIY will be #1 again at the end of this year is exactly the problem I was posting about several weeks ago. And before y'all call me anti-Mariah, or anti-AIWFCIY, all I'm saying is that I don't want to see the SAME song dominate at the end of December for the rest of eternity. But whatever, unless Billboard sees it as a problem and does something about it, it really doesn't matter. That would be a christmas domination timeline i'm okay with. I would love some justice for Most Wonderful Time Of The Year and Last Christmas |
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 2, 2020 18:30:40 GMT -5
Who says it's Montana himself conjuring the fake streams?
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Post by thabb on Jan 2, 2020 18:36:53 GMT -5
Who says it's Montana himself conjuring the fake streams? i mean it's probably someone on his team. it's his song on his album with his name being main billing |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 2, 2020 18:47:40 GMT -5
Too bad it'll bounce right back to #1 next year, so it'd hardly fallen off forever anyway. A fall is a fall, and it will set the record for the biggest fall from #1. Nope. We don’t call a #1 debut the biggest jump to #1, so a song falling off the chart isn’t the biggest drop. And again, why is this even a discussion? As has been pointed out, it’s not a fall because It’s a flop. What point are you even trying to make? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 2, 2020 18:50:09 GMT -5
Who was an avid chart watcher in 1997? What kept “Candle in the Wind” selling so well for months? Its huge sales at first make sense, but what kept it going? Sales impacts from deaths now barely last a week or two.
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Post by badrobot on Jan 2, 2020 19:26:55 GMT -5
Who was an avid chart watcher in 1997? What kept “Candle in the Wind” selling so well for months? Its huge sales at first make sense, but what kept it going? Sales impacts from deaths now barely last a week or two. I was 16 and a chart watcher then. I can honestly say Princess Diana’s death was the highest profile death I’ve seen in my entire life. It’s like the world was in mourning. Not even Michael Jackson or Prince or Whitney even come CLOSE to the level of worldwide attention. Even after her death and funeral, there was a steady stream of news and shows discussing the circumstances and keeping her in the news. Also, the single’s proceeds went entirely to charity. And, it was an already classic song that a lot of people loved. It probably helped as well that the B-side got a healthy amount of airplay. And don’t forget, this was in an era as well when physical singles were already becoming increasingly rare, so it had less competition than a song might have today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:28:33 GMT -5
I think Mariah can fall 1-50 next year since Christmas is on a Friday Assuming that AIWFCIY will be #1 again at the end of this year is exactly the problem I was posting about several weeks ago. And before y'all call me anti-Mariah, or anti-AIWFCIY, all I'm saying is that I don't want to see the SAME song dominate at the end of December for the rest of eternity. But whatever, unless Billboard sees it as a problem and does something about it, it really doesn't matter. As long as you wanna see drake dominate every other year we good |
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Post by violentdreams on Jan 2, 2020 19:35:18 GMT -5
What's the outlook for Heartless? Abel hasn't tweeted about Heartless in days other than retweeting something about it breaking 100 million Spotify streams. All of his focus has been on promoting Blinding Lights and teasing the music video for it. At this point, it's only a matter of time before it gets dropped from radio and plummets to the lower half of the charts. |
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Post by weirdo on Jan 2, 2020 19:37:10 GMT -5
Who was an avid chart watcher in 1997? What kept “Candle in the Wind” selling so well for months? Its huge sales at first make sense, but what kept it going? Sales impacts from deaths now barely last a week or two. Didnt "Candle In The Wind 1997" have the biggest amount of points on the Hot 100 ever one week?. I mean it was the #1 song of 1997 with omly 3 tracking weeks so i would NOT be suprised |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:38:15 GMT -5
Who was an avid chart watcher in 1997? What kept “Candle in the Wind” selling so well for months? Its huge sales at first make sense, but what kept it going? Sales impacts from deaths now barely last a week or two. I was 16 and a chart watcher then. I can honestly say Princess Diana’s death was the highest profile death I’ve seen in my entire life. It’s like the world was in mourning. Not even Michael Jackson or Prince or Whitney even come CLOSE to the level of worldwide attention. Even after her death and funeral, there was a steady stream of news and shows discussing the circumstances and keeping her in the news. Also, the single’s proceeds went entirely to charity. And, it was an already classic song that a lot of people loved. It probably helped as well that the B-side got a healthy amount of airplay. And don’t forget, this was in an era as well when physical singles were already becoming increasingly rare, so it had less competition than a song might have today. Yeah, it seems surreal thinking back on what a massive event her death was.. we haven't seen anywhere near that level of reaction to a death since then. I think it's because our news cycle moves so fast now.. I can't see it happening with any death at this point. It would be in the news for a week (tops) now, and then everyone would move on to something else. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 2, 2020 19:41:58 GMT -5
Who was an avid chart watcher in 1997? What kept “Candle in the Wind” selling so well for months? Its huge sales at first make sense, but what kept it going? Sales impacts from deaths now barely last a week or two. Didnt "Candle In The Wind 1997" have the biggest amount of points on the Hot 100 ever one week?. I mean it was the #1 song of 1997 with omly 3 tracking weeks so i would NOT be suprised Yeah its sales were huge that opening week, which makes sense. I can see it lasting a few weeks, too, but it’s crazy it sold so well for months. Who 3 months later was just deciding to buy it? |
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Post by kierz7 on Jan 2, 2020 19:42:56 GMT -5
jenglisbeI was a teenager living my life in London at the time and adored Princess Diana. She visited my school in 1994 and briefly shook my hand. Coverage on Princess Diana’s death lasted well until the beginning of 1998, starting from her passing the last week of August. Post-Funeral in early September, there was still controversy surrounding where Princess Diana was going to be officially buried. • Was she going to be buried in Westminster Abbey? • Would she be “allowed” to be buried in Westminster Abbey considering only individuals of direct royalty had been buried there in the past ala. Kings, Queens, Princes and Princesses etc. • Did her family want her to be buried in Westminster Abbey, especially following the speech that her Brother gave at the funeral where he passively attacked the Queen, the overall Royal Family and the British Media? (Eventually she was buried near her family home in Northamptonshire, England). All of the above was on a constant news cycle for several months, especially in the entertainment media, to which Buckingham Palace even became a colossal touring ground within those months with people from all over the Globe coming to pay tribute and pay their respects. The Chancellor-of-the-Exchequer (U.K Treasurer) at the time even spoke on how the U.K economy had received a slight boost due to the mass “tourist” invasion and Elton John completely lambasted this in the press. Also, their was constant publicity on the survivor of the crash, Trevor Rees-Jones, whom the media were desperate to get a hold of and talk too in spite of him not being able to barely move nor communicate at the time. Public conspiracy theories started to spread among the public as to whether he was one of the people that ‘orchestrated’ the crash; Dodi-Fayed’s Father was accusing him of ‘not doing his job properly’ by protecting both his son and Ms. Spencer. All in all, the fall of 1997 was just fixated purely on Princess Diana especially across Europe. Many Americans and the American media were OBSESSED with the Princess Diana at the time (they still are) so that definitely helped exacerbate it’s U.S commercial performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 19:46:54 GMT -5
Who was an avid chart watcher in 1997? What kept “Candle in the Wind” selling so well for months? Its huge sales at first make sense, but what kept it going? Sales impacts from deaths now barely last a week or two. Didnt "Candle In The Wind 1997" have the biggest amount of points on the Hot 100 ever one week?. I mean it was the #1 song of 1997 with omly 3 tracking weeks so i would NOT be suprised The single sold 3.5M it's first week out and went on to be certified Diamond. The sales were MASSIVE. Elton was past his prime at radio (nearly 30 years since his breakthrough at that point), and the song didn't even get much play at radio... and it STILL sold like that. |
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Post by weirdo on Jan 2, 2020 19:47:23 GMT -5
Didnt "Candle In The Wind 1997" have the biggest amount of points on the Hot 100 ever one week?. I mean it was the #1 song of 1997 with omly 3 tracking weeks so i would NOT be suprised Yeah its sales were huge that opening week, which makes sense. I can see it lasting a few weeks, too, but it’s crazy it sold so well for months. Who 3 months later was just deciding to buy it? Kind of like how everyone was shocked that Harlem Shake was #1 for 5 weeks. Those last 2 weeks the viral videos had alteady died down but somehow it still was #1 |
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