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Post by Enigma. on Jan 27, 2020 11:23:00 GMT -5
Billie Eilish is definitely inspired by Lorde so that comparison isn't THAT far fetched.
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Post by iggyamo on Jan 27, 2020 11:23:05 GMT -5
did anyone mention this? this is a huge deal Not really. Idk, the Big Nas and Lil Nas thing is pretty damn funny, but it would probably be better if he released new music. I’m don’t think this will increase his hype, but it should bring Rodeo back |
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Post by insen_13 on Jan 27, 2020 11:25:17 GMT -5
the thing about everyone comparing Billie to Adele is that means her 21 era is still approaching I find Billie’s career mirroring more Taylor Swift than Adele, if anything. WWAFA’s accolades and chart success is extremely rare and is once in a lifetime for artists so I doubt she will see the same success for her next album. I’m sure it’ll be massive and successful but WWAFA is just too much of a juggernaut to be dethroned. But then again nobody thought Taylor would outdo Fearless and then 1989 came along so who really knows! Still funny how people think Billie will be the “next Lorde” as if she isn’t already way bigger than Lorde ever was lol I just think that she does not deserve the SOTY and AOTY. Regardless, she is still bigger than Lorde ever was. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 27, 2020 11:33:00 GMT -5
I find Billie’s career mirroring more Taylor Swift than Adele, if anything. WWAFA’s accolades and chart success is extremely rare and is once in a lifetime for artists so I doubt she will see the same success for her next album. I’m sure it’ll be massive and successful but WWAFA is just too much of a juggernaut to be dethroned. But then again nobody thought Taylor would outdo Fearless and then 1989 came along so who really knows! Still funny how people think Billie will be the “next Lorde” as if she isn’t already way bigger than Lorde ever was lol I just think that she does not deserve the SOTY and AOTY. Regardless, she is still bigger than Lorde ever was. I could see an argument for other songs winning SOTY but I think it's very deserving of AOTY. The only other album that matched it in terms of cultural impact in the music scene (i.e. music outside the mainstream) was Norman F**king Rockwell! |
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Post by insen_13 on Jan 27, 2020 11:44:23 GMT -5
I just think that she does not deserve the SOTY and AOTY. Regardless, she is still bigger than Lorde ever was. I could see an argument for other songs winning SOTY but I think it's very deserving of AOTY. The only other album that matched it in terms of cultural impact in the music scene (i.e. music outside the mainstream) was Norman F**king Rockwell! For me, thank u, next is a sonically cohesive album. Most of its lyrical content is great. I also agree with NFR winning. I was rooting for it just as when the nominations came out. |
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Post by iggyamo on Jan 27, 2020 11:52:14 GMT -5
I just think that she does not deserve the SOTY and AOTY. Regardless, she is still bigger than Lorde ever was. I could see an argument for other songs winning SOTY but I think it's very deserving of AOTY. The only other album that matched it in terms of cultural impact in the music scene (i.e. music outside the mainstream) was Norman F**king Rockwell! I don’t really think NFR had much if any cultural impact. I mean, it’s not like an album needs to impact the cultural landscape to deserve album if the year, and NFR was pretty damn good, but I’m pretty sure I heard more music inspired by 7 than NFR |
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Post by candypaint on Jan 27, 2020 11:53:37 GMT -5
I find Billie’s career mirroring more Taylor Swift than Adele, if anything. WWAFA’s accolades and chart success is extremely rare and is once in a lifetime for artists so I doubt she will see the same success for her next album. I’m sure it’ll be massive and successful but WWAFA is just too much of a juggernaut to be dethroned. But then again nobody thought Taylor would outdo Fearless and then 1989 came along so who really knows! Still funny how people think Billie will be the “next Lorde” as if she isn’t already way bigger than Lorde ever was lol I just think that she does not deserve the SOTY and AOTY. Regardless, she is still bigger than Lorde ever was. I was surprised when she won SOTY, not gonna lie. I can see people’s complaints over that. I also personally find sweeps boring. But AOTY? Don’t see how any other album came close to it commercially, culturally, or critically (sans NFR). Totally deserving IMO. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 27, 2020 12:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by kierz7 on Jan 27, 2020 12:06:40 GMT -5
What cultural impact did “WWFA...” have that was bigger or larger than “TU,N” or even Lizzo’s “Cuz I Love You”? 💀
An ‘AOTY’ nominee that had genuine cultural impact last year, in terms of its songs anyway, would be Lil Nas X’s album (“OTR” & “Panini”) however everyone knew that the Grammy’s certainly weren’t going to give him that award. Also, Lana Del Rey’s album was merely acclaimed. It had absolutely no cultural impact outside of the indie community. (Her most impactful album to date is "Born To Die").
The Grammy’s change their metrics on what constitutes ‘AOTY’ every several years, whether it be awarded to an album which generated high-end commercial success or massive critical acclaim or they give it to a new artist who happens to relatively straddle both in which case they gave it to Eilish this year.
Didn’t Norah Jones, a new artist, sweep the general category in 2003 also? 💀
The comparison between Eilish and Lorde are very valid considering both were/are teenagers who debuted an album that had ONE big Global hit and both albums were critically acclaimed - the only difference is that Lorde never won ‘AOTY’ or ‘’ROTY’. However Eilish’s current industry push is rather ridiculous; I don’t understand it.
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Post by iHype. on Jan 27, 2020 12:06:48 GMT -5
Billie's debut/breakthrough era is definitely most similar to Avril Lavigne's, than Adele/Taylor.
Similar image, similar age, in the midst of Hip-Hop domination re-defining the Pop act, etc. Avril didn't get any GRAMMYs, but she did get 6 nominations her debut era. I think Sk8r Boi being a hit from the album partially clouded an older audience from seeing her as ~serious~ of an artist as Billie is being acknowledged as. Complicated/I'm With You were still very mature, and big in general outside of her teen demo.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 27, 2020 12:08:54 GMT -5
Regardless of who actually won a given Grammy, it will take a lot for the Academy to regain my trust.
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Post by annoymous1 on Jan 27, 2020 12:10:21 GMT -5
I mean I'm just glad Lil Nas won 2 grammys he could've won zero same for lizzo but she won 3.
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Post by tuna on Jan 27, 2020 12:11:48 GMT -5
all the big awards shows are frauds. this isn't new.
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Post by Sambalada on Jan 27, 2020 12:11:48 GMT -5
What cultural impact did “WWFA...” that was bigger or larger than “TU,N” or even Lizzo’s “Cuz I Love You”? 💀 An ‘AOTY’ nominee that had genuine cultural impact last year, in terms of its songs anyway, would be Lil Nas X’s album (“OTR” & “Panini”) however everyone knew that the Grammy’s certainly weren’t going to give him that award. Also, Lana Del Rey’s album was merely acclaimed. It had absolutely no Domestic or Global cultural impact outside of the indie community. The Grammy’s change their metrics on what constitutes ‘AOTY’ every several years, whether it be awarded to an album which generated high-end commercial success or massive critical acclaim or they give it to a new artist who happens to relatively straddle both in which case they gave it to Eilish this year. Didn’t Norah Jones, a new artist, sweep the general category in 2003 also? 💀 The comparison between Eilish and Lorde are very valid considering both were/are teenagers who debuted an album that had ONE big Global hit and both albums were critically acclaimed - the only difference is that Lorde never won ‘AOTY’ or ‘’ROTY’. However Eilish’s current industry push is rather ridiculous; I don’t understand it. How did you not see the impact of Billie's album I- You need to take off your biased suit for once |
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Post by tuna on Jan 27, 2020 12:14:31 GMT -5
I don't see how you could think TUN was more important than WWAFA in any stretch. Post Malone had been doing that dreamy sound for years before Ariana. It was huge (and pretty good), sure, but Billie was a whole new thing and her influence will definitely reverberate throughout the whole decade
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Post by kierz7 on Jan 27, 2020 12:15:04 GMT -5
What cultural impact did “WWFA...” that was bigger or larger than “TU,N” or even Lizzo’s “Cuz I Love You”? 💀 An ‘AOTY’ nominee that had genuine cultural impact last year, in terms of its songs anyway, would be Lil Nas X’s album (“OTR” & “Panini”) however everyone knew that the Grammy’s certainly weren’t going to give him that award. Also, Lana Del Rey’s album was merely acclaimed. It had absolutely no Domestic or Global cultural impact outside of the indie community. The Grammy’s change their metrics on what constitutes ‘AOTY’ every several years, whether it be awarded to an album which generated high-end commercial success or massive critical acclaim or they give it to a new artist who happens to relatively straddle both in which case they gave it to Eilish this year. Didn’t Norah Jones, a new artist, sweep the general category in 2003 also? 💀 The comparison between Eilish and Lorde are very valid considering both were/are teenagers who debuted an album that had ONE big Global hit and both albums were critically acclaimed - the only difference is that Lorde never won ‘AOTY’ or ‘’ROTY’. However Eilish’s current industry push is rather ridiculous; I don’t understand it. How did you not see the impact of Billie's album I- You need to take off your biased suit for once Well... Explain the musical/cultural ‘impact’ that the album had, and how was it different to Ariana Grande’s album or Lizzo’s album? |
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Post by iHype. on Jan 27, 2020 12:19:50 GMT -5
How did you not see the impact of Billie's album I- You need to take off your biased suit for once Well... Explain the musical/cultural ‘impact’ that the album had, and how was it different to Ariana Grande’s album or Lizzo’s album? Lmao, Billie's album had WAY more impact than Lizzo's album, and definitely more than Ariana's. It was the most impactful album of 2019, easily. There is a huge public fascination with Billie. Something a female debut hasn't had since Gaga/Taylor/Adele breakthroughs. Billie's debut era altogether will go down as one of the biggest eras of the century. Lizzo isn't doing it, and Ariana's album moreso died down a little quick and the hype was mainly just around the 2 #1s preceding the release. If you need someone to explain to you the presence of Billie's album, then you just really haven't been in touch with current pop culture. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 12:22:11 GMT -5
I just can’t believe that with all the bad press they been having recently they had a muti talented black female in all four major awards with two massive hits critically acclaimed inderisty backing , Who career broke all models of the pop star who also raps and they decided to award someone who can’t sing .
They had it on a sliver platter I just , the perfect opportunity for good press and not be seen as sexist and racist as they are
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Post by annoymous1 on Jan 27, 2020 12:38:34 GMT -5
People can drag Billie all they want imo good for her winning those grammy they ain't gonna milli vanilli her a** so get over it. plus ariana talked mad s**t about the grammys last year so they got her back this year...no grammy for you.
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Post by tuna on Jan 27, 2020 12:42:08 GMT -5
I just can’t believe that with all the bad press they been having recently they had a muti talented black female in all four major awards with two massive hits critically acclaimed inderisty backing , Who career broke all models of the pop star who also raps and they decided to award someone who can’t sing . They had it on a sliver platter I just , the perfect opportunity for good press and not be seen as sexist and racist as they are It’s physically impossible for old white execs to not be racist |
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Post by Choco on Jan 27, 2020 12:45:33 GMT -5
The idea that Lizzo had to win because she was a nice black lady who could've gotten them some good press...
I'm glad to read all the Billie hate. You can't be a huge deal without some haters. The effects of Billie Eilish blowing up with songs she recorded on her bedroom with her brother, talking about depression, suicide and love will be felt for at least the next couple years. It's why several publications ranked "bad guy" as one of the most influential records of the decade even when it came out towards the very end of it.
If Lizzo had swept black twitter would be on a rage spiral because she's Pop or something, she's not urban enough or whatever. Even if Beyoncé swept next year with Lemonade Part II: I Still Ain't Leaving Jay's Ass, some people would find a way to be outraged.
Gay twitter is on a rage spiral because Norman Fucking Rockwell didn't win (even when it was very clearly: a) already a win for Lana to finally snatch a big nomination this late into her career, when her commercial prospects have slowed down and b) very much a nomination coined by the committee when she apparently didn't have enough support from genre voters to give her album or songs any other nods outside the general field).
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Post by kierz7 on Jan 27, 2020 12:54:24 GMT -5
The idea that Lizzo had to win because she was a nice black lady who could've gotten them some good press... I'm glad to read all the Billie hate. You can't be a huge deal without some haters. The effects of Billie Eilish blowing up with songs she recorded on her bedroom with her brother, talking about depression, suicide and love will be felt for at least the next couple years. It's why several publications ranked "bad guy" as one of the most influential records of the decade even when it came out towards the very end of it. If Lizzo had swept black twitter would be on a rage spiral because she's Pop or something, she's not urban enough or whatever. Even if Beyoncé swept next year with Lemonade Part II: I Still Ain't Leaving Jay's Ass, some people would find a way to be outraged. Gay twitter is on a rage spiral because Norman f**king Rockwell didn't win (even when it was very clearly: a) already a win for Lana to finally snatch a big nomination this late into her career, when her commercial prospects have slowed down and b) very much a nomination coined by the committee when she apparently didn't have enough support from genre voters to give her album or songs any other nods outside the general field). What? How do you know Black Twitter would’ve been “up in arms” if she swept when the majority of them/us were praising her for winning the three she did garner, including one in the “Pop Vocal” category which a Black Woman hasn’t won since Beyoncé with “Halo” in 2010 (and March Gray in 2001 with “I Try” prior to that). LMFAO. “The idea that Lizzo had to win because she was a nice black lady who could’ve gotten them some good press”. Oh... Okay. |
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Post by Choco on Jan 27, 2020 13:02:53 GMT -5
Lizzo has already seen a fair share of backlash after she blew up (like everyone who makes it big these days), she even quit Twitter recently. As for this: “The idea that Lizzo had to win because she was a nice black lady who could’ve gotten them some good press”. Oh... Okay. I was addressing this: I just can’t believe that with all the bad press they been having recently they had a muti talented black female in all four major awards with two massive hits critically acclaimed inderisty backing , Who career broke all models of the pop star who also raps and they decided to award someone who can’t sing . They had it on a sliver platter I just , the perfect opportunity for good press and not be seen as sexist and racist as they are Wanna make the argument that "Truth Hurts" was better than "bad guy"? Sure. I can understand that and we can have a nice discussion. Wanna make the argument that Lizzo deserved to win because it was a good look to award a black lady after several public messes in a row (and not for her artistic achievements, underdog status, success after multiple years of being ignored, and her breakthrough year)? I don't get that. |
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Post by gabe on Jan 27, 2020 13:12:25 GMT -5
everyone pretending billie invented a genre when she is so heavily influenced by lorde and lana...
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Post by tuna on Jan 27, 2020 13:21:48 GMT -5
I was going to wonder if Pulse would descend into madness again waiting for the article but I guess we already have some other madness
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Post by violentdreams on Jan 27, 2020 13:22:37 GMT -5
everyone pretending billie invented a genre when she is so heavily influenced by lorde and lana... Billie invented ASMR pop and she is a legend and we will respect her for that. |
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Post by lurker2 on Jan 27, 2020 13:25:10 GMT -5
everyone pretending billie invented a genre when she is so heavily influenced by lorde and lana... Billie invented ASMR pop and she is a legend and we will respect her for that. I will not accept this 21 Savage slander /s |
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Post by livelightning on Jan 27, 2020 13:29:03 GMT -5
Billie Eilish sweeping the Big 4 makes perfect sense. She was a fresh face who was huge last year and made music that isn’t traditionally mainstream (think what you wanna think, “bury a friend” sounds like no other pop hit of last decade) hit the big time. I’m disappointed Ariana didn’t win anything because she totally deserved to (at least pop vocal album), but this is by no means a travesty. Maybe we need another 24K Magic/Lemonade type mess in 2021 because we obviously aren’t thankful for what we have this year. You wanna talk actual Grammy screw ups? The trend of giving an acclaimed LP by a female artist an AOTY nom and no genre category noms needs to stop. Lorde, Janelle Monáe and now Lana Del Rey. It’s ridiculous and dismissive of their talent. 24K was a good sweep |
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Post by badrobot on Jan 27, 2020 13:34:27 GMT -5
Uh, so, never-resolvable arguments about cultural impact and award-deservingness aside...
What's the predicted impact of the Grammys on the Hot 100 (aka, the title of this thread)?
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Post by gabe on Jan 27, 2020 13:40:53 GMT -5
everyone pretending billie invented a genre when she is so heavily influenced by lorde and lana... Billie invented ASMR pop and she is a legend and we will respect her for that. but she didn't do that? |
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