Billboard Hot 100: 02/15/2020

[annoymous1]

I'm kinda curious to see how that Justin Bieber and Lil Dicky song would sound like can't be worst then that collab they did with earth?

[violentdreams]

Feb 5, 2020 18:12:14 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 5, 2020 17:56:30 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Not enough of a sample size to say definitively.

According to Wikipedia, he has appeared on 19 songs as a featured act since 2016. None of them took off. His appearance on the new Justin Bieber album will be his 20th feature since then. That enough of a sample size for ya?

Well, firstly, 8 of those 19 are from 2016 (before he was big enough to have any feature clout). Let's break down the remainders:

Trae the Truth - Too Late (2017) [idk who this is]
Migos - Notice Me (2018) [should've been a hit, but due to the length of Culture 2, nothing really took off except for the Drake feature]
Dynamite Dylan - You (2018) [idk who this is]
Tiesto - Jackie Chan (2018) [this was a minor hit]
Lil Wayne - What About Me (2018) [this is a remix that randomly put out, not a feature]
21 Savage - all my friends (2018) [yeah this is a pretty clear attempt at a radio hit]
DJ Khaled - Celebrate (2019) [this song is just pure garbage]
French Montana - Writing on the Wall (2019) [another radio hit attempt]

So out of those 19, we're left with only 4 real misses in terms of trying to get a hit and failing. And, in my personal opinion, it speaks more to the artists themselves and their sensibilities than Post just having a mysterious inability to get any hits as a feature. We'll see with Bieber.

[thegreatdivine]

Feb 5, 2020 18:34:26 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Feb 5, 2020 18:12:14 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

According to Wikipedia, he has appeared on 19 songs as a featured act since 2016. None of them took off. His appearance on the new Justin Bieber album will be his 20th feature since then. That enough of a sample size for ya?

Well, firstly 8 of those 19 are from 2016 (before he was big enough to have any feature clout). Let's break down the remainders:

Trae the Truth - Too Late (2017) [idk who this is]
Migos - Notice Me (2018) [should've been a hit, but due to the length of Culture 2, nothing really took off except for the Drake feature]
Dynamite Dylan - You (2018) [idk who this is]
Tiesto - Jackie Chan (2018) [this was a minor hit]
Lil Wayne - What About Me (2018) [this is a remix that randomly put out, not a feature]
21 Savage - all my friends (2018) [yeah this is a pretty clear attempt at a radio hit]
DJ Khaled - Celebrate (2019) [this song is just pure garbage]
French Montana - Writing on the Wall (2019) [another radio hit attempt]

So out of those 19, we're left with only 4 real misses in terms of trying to get a hit and failing. And, in my personal opinion, it speaks more to the artists themselves and their sensibilities than Post himself. We'll see with Bieber.

You can't really say that. Shooting 0/4 is still ending up with nothing. You either have the clout to hop on a song and make it a hit or you don't. Drake has jumped on songs by nameless nobodies and made them hits and a lot of those songs were remixes he just hopped on. Nicki has a long history of doing the same thing.

Post just doesn't have that. The only Post Malone songs that perform well are his own songs or songs where he's a co-lead artist. His fans only care to support his own songs, not songs by other people that he hops on and that's just the kind of fanbase he has.

[violentdreams]

Feb 5, 2020 18:40:44 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 5, 2020 18:34:26 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Well, firstly 8 of those 19 are from 2016 (before he was big enough to have any feature clout). Let's break down the remainders:

Trae the Truth - Too Late (2017) [idk who this is]
Migos - Notice Me (2018) [should've been a hit, but due to the length of Culture 2, nothing really took off except for the Drake feature]
Dynamite Dylan - You (2018) [idk who this is]
Tiesto - Jackie Chan (2018) [this was a minor hit]
Lil Wayne - What About Me (2018) [this is a remix that randomly put out, not a feature]
21 Savage - all my friends (2018) [yeah this is a pretty clear attempt at a radio hit]
DJ Khaled - Celebrate (2019) [this song is just pure garbage]
French Montana - Writing on the Wall (2019) [another radio hit attempt]

So out of those 19, we're left with only 4 real misses in terms of trying to get a hit and failing. And, in my personal opinion, it speaks more to the artists themselves and their sensibilities than Post himself. We'll see with Bieber.

You can't really say that. Shooting 0/4 is still ending up with nothing. You either have the clout to hop on a song and make it a hit or you don't. Drake has jumped on songs by nameless nobodies and made them hits and a lot of those songs were remixes he just hopped on. Nicki has a long history of doing the same thing.

Post just doesn't have that. The only Post Malone songs that perform well are his own songs or songs where he's a co-lead artist. His fans only care to support his own songs, not songs by other people that he hops on and that's just the kind of fanbase he has.

Drake just has a better ear for what sounds like a hit and what doesn't. If he was on Celebrate or Writing on the Wall, they still wouldn't have become hits because they're fundamentally bad songs. Look at Loyal, the song was trash and Drake's presence failed to save it.

[Deleted]

Feb 5, 2020 16:58:02 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

She called herself Mrs. Petty, so at least she's owning the toxicity.

Her husband's last name is Petty lol. Just a very fitting coincidence.

[highho]

I will insert Drake to every possible topic 👶

[thegreatdivine]

Feb 5, 2020 18:47:22 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Feb 5, 2020 18:40:44 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

You can't really say that. Shooting 0/4 is still ending up with nothing. You either have the clout to hop on a song and make it a hit or you don't. Drake has jumped on songs by nameless nobodies and made them hits and a lot of those songs were remixes he just hopped on. Nicki has a long history of doing the same thing.

Post just doesn't have that. The only Post Malone songs that perform well are his own songs or songs where he's a co-lead artist. His fans only care to support his own songs, not songs by other people that he hops on and that's just the kind of fanbase he has.

Drake just has a better ear for what sounds like a hit and what doesn't. If he was on Celebrate or Writing on the Wall, they still wouldn't have become hits because they're fundamentally bad songs. Look at Loyal, the song was trash and Drake's presence failed to save it.

So, Post Malone, with his several #1's and top 10 hits doesn't have an ear for what sounds like a hit and what doesn't?

Also, you're dismissing something very important in what you just said. MOST Drake features are hits. The ones that aren't are the exception and they're very few. There are lots of songs Drake has hopped on, which didn't sound like hits and were by people no one knew, but ended up taking off anyway, just off his star power. Post Malone doesn't have that. He has appeared on several songs, a lot of them catchy, that didn't take off. Not a single one of those songs was a legitimate hit. Yet, every song he drops as a lead artist takes off. That tells you all you need to know.

Post Malone's fanbase operates like the fanbase of a pop star. Most pop stars don't do features. They mostly focus on their own stuff and their fans know to support that and that alone. Most rappers do a lot of features and even rappers who aren't nearly as big as Drake, can point to several songs they've hopped on that have become minor hits at least.

[Ratatouille]

Feb 5, 2020 19:15:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 5, 2020 18:47:22 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Drake just has a better ear for what sounds like a hit and what doesn't. If he was on Celebrate or Writing on the Wall, they still wouldn't have become hits because they're fundamentally bad songs. Look at Loyal, the song was trash and Drake's presence failed to save it.

So, Post Malone, with his several #1's and top 10 hits doesn't have an ear for what sounds like a hit and what doesn't?

Also, you're dismissing something very important in what you just said. MOST Drake features are hits. The ones that aren't are the exception and they're very few. There are lots of songs Drake has hopped on, which didn't sound like hits and were by people no one knew, but ended up taking off anyway, just off his star power. Post Malone doesn't have that. He has appeared on several songs, a lot of them catchy, that didn't take off. Not a single one of those songs was a legitimate hit. Yet, every song he drops as a lead artist takes off. That tells you all you need to know.

Post Malone's fanbase operates like the fanbase of a pop star. Most pop stars don't do features. They mostly focus on their own stuff and their fans know to support that and that alone. Most rappers do a lot of features and even rappers who aren't nearly as big as Drake, can point to several songs they've hopped on that have become minor hits at least.

Post Malone fanbase is the same type of Eminem’s fanbase

[mzumii]

Not this argument again, its so tired

[nathanalbright]

Feb 5, 2020 19:30:09 GMT -5 mzumii said:

Not this argument again, its so tired

Haven't we had this argument before?  Several times already?  I guess we have to be consistent and beat the same dead horses over and over again.

[ddlz]

Here's a demo of Bieber/Post collab. Boring, unlistenable trash.

[atg]

Feb 5, 2020 14:15:52 GMT -5 shaz196 said:

Feb 5, 2020 14:11:39 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

Bieber is not a threat

I'm inclined to agree, but you never know. 15 new songs, one is bound to be good enough to pick up steam and become a hit.

I don’t think we’ll get a ‘in my feelings’ or ‘nonstop’ threat on bieber’s album unless tik tok makes something a challenge but i think roddy is good for now

[atg]

Feb 5, 2020 18:34:26 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Feb 5, 2020 18:12:14 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

According to Wikipedia, he has appeared on 19 songs as a featured act since 2016. None of them took off. His appearance on the new Justin Bieber album will be his 20th feature since then. That enough of a sample size for ya?

Well, firstly, 8 of those 19 are from 2016 (before he was big enough to have any feature clout). Let's break down the remainders:

Trae the Truth - Too Late (2017) [idk who this is]
Migos - Notice Me (2018) [should've been a hit, but due to the length of Culture 2, nothing really took off except for the Drake feature]
Dynamite Dylan - You (2018) [idk who this is]
Tiesto - Jackie Chan (2018) [this was a minor hit]
Lil Wayne - What About Me (2018) [this is a remix that randomly put out, not a feature]
21 Savage - all my friends (2018) [yeah this is a pretty clear attempt at a radio hit]
DJ Khaled - Celebrate (2019) [this song is just pure garbage]
French Montana - Writing on the Wall (2019) [another radio hit attempt]

So out of those 19, we're left with only 4 real misses in terms of trying to get a hit and failing. And, in my personal opinion, it speaks more to the artists themselves and their sensibilities than Post just having a mysterious inability to get any hits as a feature. We'll see with Bieber.

Jackie chan was the only international hit that came out of post malone features. Everyone else tried to use him for name recognition but failed so miserably

[thegreatdivine]

Feb 5, 2020 19:36:10 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Here's a demo of Bieber/Post collab. Boring, unlistenable trash.

Wow, this is really bad.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Another Post feature was in a remix for Lorde's Homemade Dynamite which actually became a hit in several countries.

[nathanalbright]

Feb 5, 2020 20:06:42 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Another Post feature was in a remix for Lorde's Homemade Dynamite which actually became a hit in several countries.

I remember that one (barely) hitting the Hot 100.  It hit #92 for one week, I think.  

[chanman]

^^^^ Jackie Chan hahaha to myself ...good stuff

[iggyamo]

Feb 5, 2020 20:02:13 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 5, 2020 19:36:10 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Here's a demo of Bieber/Post collab. Boring, unlistenable trash.

Wow, this is really bad.

Ya, I think this album is going to be dead on arrival, I don’t think anyone cared about the Yummy remix that dropped

[korbel16]

Feb 5, 2020 20:06:42 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Another Post feature was in a remix for Lorde's Homemade Dynamite which actually became a hit in several countries.

shoulda been a monster hit, they all really meshed well in the song.. too bad it was before post Malone’s breakthrough

[korbel16]

Random thought: but remember when we thought that 1-800 song was gunna be number 1 lol

[spoons]

Bieber is easily the last talented of the 2010s top 10 decade end artists. After hearing his so far disastrous album rollout, I listened to some of his old work, and none of it is even that good! He's the luckiest artist alive.
AT LEAST MAROON 5 USED TO BE GOOD

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Last and least for sure. That was surely best indicated by the fact he held the record for most weeks at #1 in the Social 50. But it seems the Beliebers have grown up.

[Taylor.]

/

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Feb 5, 2020 14:11:52 GMT -5 iggyamo said:

Feb 5, 2020 12:33:02 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Y'know with all the talk of artists juggling to hits at the same time, I'm surprised no one's mentioned the fact Roddy Ricch has two songs in the Top 20 (3 if you count Ballin), all of which are doing fine on streaming.

I would say that’s a special circumstance, he’s not even pushing High Fashion, I just think this is a belated album bomb purely due to artist hype, I mean, he has other songs in the bubbling under almost as if they are part of an album bomb.

Perhaps. But still, he might not be pushing it as hard as The Box but it still shows two songs from the same artist can be successful at the same time without competing with each other or "eating" each other's streams.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Feb 5, 2020 21:14:44 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

/

hot girl bummer is in the Top 20 you monsters!  >

[owenlovesmusic]

Feb 5, 2020 19:20:06 GMT -5 Ratatouille said:

Feb 5, 2020 19:15:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

So, Post Malone, with his several #1's and top 10 hits doesn't have an ear for what sounds like a hit and what doesn't?

Also, you're dismissing something very important in what you just said. MOST Drake features are hits. The ones that aren't are the exception and they're very few. There are lots of songs Drake has hopped on, which didn't sound like hits and were by people no one knew, but ended up taking off anyway, just off his star power. Post Malone doesn't have that. He has appeared on several songs, a lot of them catchy, that didn't take off. Not a single one of those songs was a legitimate hit. Yet, every song he drops as a lead artist takes off. That tells you all you need to know.

Post Malone's fanbase operates like the fanbase of a pop star. Most pop stars don't do features. They mostly focus on their own stuff and their fans know to support that and that alone. Most rappers do a lot of features and even rappers who aren't nearly as big as Drake, can point to several songs they've hopped on that have become minor hits at least.

Post Malone fanbase is the same type of Eminem’s fanbase

not at all but ok

[atg]

Simon keeps underestimating blinding lights. Whatever position he has it on it either goes 2 or 10 positions higher on the actual chart

[fhas]

Feb 5, 2020 20:43:14 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

Random thought: but remember when we thought that 1-800 song was gunna be number 1 lol

I remember that discounting songs on iTunes was a big thing in 2017 and in the first day of the week that 1-800 was going to challenge for #1 it was discounted, but Apple removed the discounted songs section from iTunes home page (or something like that...) to create the "Best of the Week" section and since that change discounting hasn't been as effective as it used to be.

[dynamac]

I mean the Justin/Post collab also features relative no-name Clever, so it’ll be interesting to see how his inclusion affects things

[failstoner]

it would be really interesting if blinding lights and heartless climbed to the top 10 in the near future , the latter seems unlikely to return to top 10 however