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Post by Choco on Feb 19, 2020 9:09:38 GMT -5
How can we talk about biggest overall star and say that her daytime show and her stint on The Voice are irrelevant? TV also makes people famous and stars, you know?
I don't think either lady is a good fit for the Super Bowl either? Don't hate me. The show is moving towards a more global brand, that rules out Carrie. And Kelly is a great vocalist but is she capable of doing an entertaining show with all the visuals and spectacle required of the Super Bowl? It's not about great vocals, it's about fireworks, explosions and dance.
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Post by Jack on Feb 19, 2020 9:47:02 GMT -5
How can we talk about biggest overall star and say that her daytime show and her stint on The Voice are irrelevant? TV also makes people famous and stars, you know? I don't think either lady is a good fit for the Super Bowl either? Don't hate me. The show is moving towards a more global brand, that rules out Carrie. And Kelly is a great vocalist but is she capable of doing an entertaining show with all the visuals and spectacle required of the Super Bowl? It's not about great vocals, it's about fireworks, explosions and dance.Right! Yeah I agree. I would love a Kelly/Pink combo like J-Lo and Shakira this year. I don't think Carrie has enough known legacy hits (especially not enough uptempo ones which suit the occasion) to satisfy anything other than her core audience; which, I agree, intersects nicely with NFL viewers. That said, as proved with Jennifer and Shakira's success, leaning into global audiences and online streaming beyond just the telecast is what makes the halftime watercooler discussion worldwide. I fear online and WW, a Carrie set would invite a lot of populist/America/right wing centered criticism even if it would satisfy a big chunk of the local audience. Kelly and Pink would satisfy middle America, provide the spectacle, as well as provide songs people outside North America had heard.
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 19, 2020 12:57:14 GMT -5
The idea Kelly having the leading new syndicated show of all newcomers, the biggest talkshow in a decade, competing with the biggest daytime talkshow mainstays in modern television, regularly going viral with her covers, a regular spot in one of the highest-rated reality shows...doesn't contribute to her star power is, like, some MAGA-level mental gymnastics.
Honestly, Kelly is and was always going to be in an advantageous position being the first Idol. She was part of the introduction of this pop culture phenomenon, and gets sole credit for legitimizing it for the industry and future contestants, Carrie included. That Kelly has pivoted her career to another industry and once again seen great, trailblazing success, gives her more cushion on this throne than anyone could hope to overcome tbh.
I'd rank them... 1. Kelly Clarkson 2. Carrie Underwood 3. Jennifer Hudson 4. Fantasia 5. Chris Daughtry 6. Katherine McPhee 7. Adam Lambert
Ranking anyone else feels kinda negligible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:13:34 GMT -5
Kelly easily.
Carrie may beat her in album sales and touring numbers, but Country has always been a genre in the US that can move major albums and tickets even when the acts cater solely to the Country audience. I think the Country audience knows both Carrie AND Kelly’s name and big hits, whereas the pop audience probably hears Carrie and MAYBE knows “Before He Cheats” (depending on their age). At the end of the day, it’s those hits that keep the act in the public consciousness.
Reminds me of that Nielsen report that came out last month showing the most heard acts of the 2010’s on the radio and at least half were country acts who are never played outside Country radio (there are more Country stations than any other format in the country the last time I checked, with a dedicated listener base, yet Country hits rarely cross over outside the format). Different audiences just consume music differently... I remember in the 2000’s people couldn’t understand how songs that were big R&B hits had very low digital sales considering radio audience impressions.. and it was because the audience that consumed those genres (especially R&B) just weren’t buying singles on iTunes. It wasn’t that those songs weren’t popular or that radio was forcing those songs on listeners... there were reports the genre was the most widely downloaded illegally, and R&B ALBUMS still sold well. R&B listeners were not consuming music in the same way pop listeners were.
I just don’t think you can make an apples to apples comparison across genres unless you’re talking about something highly objective (e.g. “who has higher album sales?”).
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Post by Juanca on Feb 19, 2020 13:29:42 GMT -5
Definitely Kelly at #1 for me. She’s one of the most successful female singers globally since the 2000s. She has at least 4 global hits that are recognizable practically everywhere. I mean, I’ve traveled to east Asia, eastern and Central Europe and sub Saharan Africa in the past 12 years and I’ve listened to / watched Stronger or Because of you or Behind these hazel eyes or Since u been gone many many more times than Before he cheats... plus Kelly’s TV success is indisputable.
Carrie’s success in country music is also has indisputable and she’s a touring juggernaut. So she’s a solid second place to me.
After that, things get tricky. I’d argue that Adam Lambert’s work with Queen is pretty epic. I mean he’s filling Freddie effing Mercury’s shoes with resounding touring success! And he had two strong pop hits in his debut era. Also his AI performances are amongst the best of all time, and his LGBT+ representativeness cements his significance in pop culture.
Jhud is in close 4th place to me. I guess if Cats hadn’t been such a floptastic adventure she could be higher to me.
Daughtry and Fantasia are in a close tie for 5th due to their strong string of hits in pop/rock and r&b.
Kat McPhee would be my #7 (primarily due to her TV and broadway stints), closely followed by Jordin Sparks (her pop debut era was very strong, and she had some acceptable movie roles).
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Post by Crimsonio on Feb 19, 2020 13:31:37 GMT -5
obviously it's carrie
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Post by irice22 on Feb 19, 2020 13:44:40 GMT -5
I don’t understand why this is peculiar. That Kelly figure of 25 million appears to be Kelly’s Worldwide Sales, but the 16 million figure appears to be Underwood’s domestic sales. You can’t compare Kelly’s worldwide sales to Underwood’s domestic sales and say Kelly has sold more. That’s deceptive. If you want to say I have my information wrong, fine that’s okay. But as far as comparisons go, domestic should be compared with domestic and worldwide should be compared with worldwide. As far as comparisons, sales should be compared with sales, and if you want to specify the whens and wheres that's up to do you to do, specifically. What you can't do is say "Carrie has sold more albums (if we ignore the rest of the planet without saying so, which we're going to do to make my statement true)" which you seem desperate to do over and again. I feel like I'm really having to spell this out. But once again, if you'd said "Carrie Underwood has sold more albums in America" and I said "No, Kelly has sold about ten million more", then you'd be well within sense to complain that I was comparing total domestic with total WW, But that's what you did do. You compared Kelly's worldwide figures with Carrie's domestic. Period. The figure you showed says Kelly has sold 25 million, it does not specify WW/domestic. I did some research and it looks like 25 million is her worldwide figure (around $14.3 million is her domestic). The figure you showed says Carrie has sold 16 million US and 65 million worldwide. Read the blurbs under your own sources. Now, like I said, if you want to say I have my information wrong that is fine. That $65 million figure does seem unrealistically high. But don't call me a gremlin-minded when I simply going off the information YOU provided.
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Post by Jack on Feb 19, 2020 15:31:45 GMT -5
As far as comparisons, sales should be compared with sales, and if you want to specify the whens and wheres that's up to do you to do, specifically. What you can't do is say "Carrie has sold more albums (if we ignore the rest of the planet without saying so, which we're going to do to make my statement true)" which you seem desperate to do over and again. I feel like I'm really having to spell this out. But once again, if you'd said "Carrie Underwood has sold more albums in America" and I said "No, Kelly has sold about ten million more", then you'd be well within sense to complain that I was comparing total domestic with total WW, But that's what you did do. You compared Kelly's worldwide figures with Carrie's domestic. Period. The figure you showed says Kelly has sold 25 million, it does not specify WW/domestic. I did some research and it looks like 25 million is her worldwide figure (around $14.3 million is her domestic). The figure you showed says Carrie has sold 16 million US and 65 million worldwide. Read the blurbs under your own sources. Now, like I said, if you want to say I have my information wrong that is fine. That $65 million figure does seem unrealistically high. But don't call me a gremlin-minded when I simply going off the information YOU provided. Hi! I’ve explained it every which way. You said Carrie had sold more albums. That was a lie. You told me it was up to me to abide by the rules of what you meant/thought, rather than what you said. That said. I’m getting a feeling there’s a language barrier thing going on here, and as such, I apologize for being short tempered!
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Post by Jack on Feb 19, 2020 19:09:26 GMT -5
Clearly not that obviously since nobody else here but her ride or die board fan and someone who doesn’t get the concept of “sold more albums” thinks so. Enjoyed your reasoning though. :)
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Post by Future Captain on Feb 19, 2020 21:33:16 GMT -5
How did I completely forget about Adam Lambert lmao. At this point he's probably a bigger star than Daughtry on his Queen association alone.
Also yeah it's quite amazing that AI managed to churn out a decent amount of stars over the year. The closest thing The Voice have to one is maybe Melanie Martinez
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Post by neally on Feb 20, 2020 0:15:25 GMT -5
I think this has been shared between Kelly and Carrie back and forth over the years
2003-2014- Kelly (First Idol, Breakaway era, All I Ever Wanted/Stronger eras, GH success, first American female artist with best selling holiday album becoming a classic, performing for Pope, Obama inauguration)
2012-2014- TIE
2015-early 2019- Carrie (Several successful albums, Sound of Music Live, Calia, multiple endorsements, NFL SNF, multiple CMA Award co-host, follow-up massive tours, multiple AMA and country awards)
Mid 2019-present- Kelly
Overall- Kelly
The larger global presence, name recognition, hosting of the all-genre Billboard Music Awards, perpetual winning judge of the ‘The Voice’, author of multiple books, voice in multiple animated movies, new princess of Xmas to most recently her own daytime DAILY US talk show (which happens to be the highest rated of any new daytime talk show in over 7 years with daily viral music covers and which is she al$o an executive producer), own Las Vegas residency has catapulted Kelly in the past year to a new level of superstardom above Carrie (and any other Idol for that matter).
ETA- I don’t think Kelly or Carrie (alone or together) would be a good fit for the SuperBowl half-time show for different reasons....
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Feb 22, 2020 6:25:34 GMT -5
US : Carrie (Sold more albums than Kelly, single sales wise almost the same with Kelly, Carrie’s tour grossed more than Kelly’s)
Global : Kelly no doubt
Carrie sings Country, thats why its hard for her to go global no matter how hard she tries (let’s face it, she barely remix her songs to pop and that doesn’t help her case)
Both are successful in their own way. Stop with all the non sense.
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Post by #brayden on Feb 22, 2020 11:03:20 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson is the biggest star to come out of American Idol. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Choco on Feb 22, 2020 12:49:38 GMT -5
Again the question was bigger star, not who sold more albums and I don't think it's even close. Plus using a genre as an excuse for lower WW figures ain't fair when said genre is the main reason why Carrie sold more stateside (Country was always the top selling album genre during their commercial peak).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 19:11:43 GMT -5
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Post by ampersand on Feb 22, 2020 22:18:55 GMT -5
dbhmr Sis, you knew what you starting when you created this thread. {Spoiler} The answer is Kelly.
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Post by Jack on Feb 23, 2020 8:26:11 GMT -5
Again the question was bigger star, not who sold more albums and I don't think it's even close. Plus using a genre as an excuse for lower WW figures ain't fair when said genre is the main reason why Carrie sold more stateside (Country was always the top selling album genre during their commercial peak). Right! This is always the rub for me. "No no, it's not fair because Kelly is part of a genre that goes global, Carrie is confined to Country which is local". You can't rely on the benefits of a genre (loyal listeners/culture, album buying/concert ticket buying market) while decrying its limitations. Yes Kelly was is a Pop artist and that meant she had the chance to go out and conquer the world. It was an infinitesimally small chance though, and she did it. And having been the biggest popstar on the planet, she comes back with her third album (whatever you think about it) and the millions who bought album two and the radio programmers who rinsed her songs were gone in an instant. Abandoned her at the first sign of controversy. Globally successful popstars aren't guaranteed success beyond each campaign. They practically have to start again each time. This was not the case for Carrie. Carrie either had the surplus of business sense, or lack of bravery/ability to take a swing outside of her adoring base. And she was rewarded handsomely for it. Every song of hers was sent straight to the top of the charts without passing Go, and she had a long decade at the top of her genre but without making a significant impact anywhere else. That's the trade off. So one has to consider their careers 'all in' with the benefits and drawbacks of both their career choices and rules of their chess boards. Kelly's success came in spite of the fact that she wasn't considered popstar beautiful, that she isn't controversial or a headline grabber, she wasn't thin, she didn't have buzzy celebrity relationships, and she was situated smack bag in the middle of an unforgiving genre that sheds most of the skin of its top tier stars every three or four years. And yet she quietly stayed the course. And in doing so she sold ten million more albums than Carrie, has been played on the radio far more than Carrie, her streaming numbers eclipse Carrie's, she had more Hot 100 number ones than Carrie, she's likely surpassed Carrie in SPS/EAS in North America now, she's had more crossover success than Carrie (a number one on Carrie's own genre, as well as a number two she wrote), now tours on the same level as Carrie, Kelly's songs are known the world over, her songs are a staple on the very kind of talent show Kelly single handedly legitimized...Carrie's are not, and now Kelly has become one of the highest paid talent show judges on earth and launched the most successful daytime talk show in a decade. Miss me with how obvious it is that it isn't very clearly Kelly.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 23, 2020 9:11:53 GMT -5
Don't we already have a Kelly Clarkson thread?
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Post by Jack on Feb 23, 2020 10:07:51 GMT -5
Don't we already have a Kelly Clarkson thread? Yeah 'we' do. Loads. Some in Nostalgia, some in World Hits, some in polling. And there'll probably be a new one which she services a new single to radio. Like every other major recording artist on this music board. Or was that a funny joke?
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Post by neally on Feb 23, 2020 10:40:57 GMT -5
Don't we already have a Kelly Clarkson thread? I’m not sure if you were being snarky or if you were posing an honest question. If the latter, this thread is not about news about Kelly’s music, nor all-things Kelly Clarkson. This ‘which AI alum is the biggest star’ thread is housed within the Opinion thread. Take a look within the Opinions thread: as with other artists who have various threads asking about opinions/discussion outside of their traditional artist/album or single threads), Kelly, Carrie, and other AI alums are no different. ETA: I didn’t realize that jack had just addressed this before me.
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Post by Gary on Feb 23, 2020 13:57:00 GMT -5
An old article but another perspective:
Ryan Seacrest reveals the 'biggest star' from 'American Idol'
Jan. 5, 2016, 8:04 AM CST / Source: TODAY
By Randee Dawn
www.today.com/popculture/ryan-seacrest-reveals-biggest-star-american-idol-t65181
After 14 seasons, "American Idol" has been responsible for launching the careers of some of the music industry's most talented singers. But according to host Ryan Seacrest, there's one winner who's really made the most of that incredible launchpad. When asked on TODAY Tuesday who he thinks is the "biggest star" from the show, Seacrest had a quick and ready answer. "Carrie Underwood," he said immediately, referring to the show's fourth-season winner, who has gone on to be a multiplatinum-selling artist and appeared with Seacrest on "Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve" last week. Ryan Seacrest and Carrie Underwood were a winning pair on New Year's Eve in New York City.Jamie McCarthy/DCNYRE2016 / Getty Images Contributor Not Kelly Clarkson, another major musical name who won the first season? "Kelly, too," he admitted. "But I was just on 'New Year's' with Carrie, and she's just a superstar. She really is." Seacrest doesn't sing, but you could say that the series (which is about to start its final season) has helped make him into a superstar, too. While he has other jobs as a DJ and producer, he said it's going to be an adjustment not to be making season 16 of "Idol." "I can't imagine life without going on the auditions every summer, then doing the shows for months afterward," he admitted. "I'm just sort of thinking about that last episode, the last night, the final time we crown a winner and how emotional that will be. I love this show." So do millions of others! "American Idol" returns for its final season on Wednesday, January 6 at 8 p.m. on FOX.
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Post by Jack on Feb 23, 2020 14:19:18 GMT -5
An old article but another perspective:
Ryan Seacrest reveals the 'biggest star' from 'American Idol'
Jan. 5, 2016, 8:04 AM CST / Source: TODAY
By Randee Dawn
www.today.com/popculture/ryan-seacrest-reveals-biggest-star-american-idol-t65181
After 14 seasons, "American Idol" has been responsible for launching the careers of some of the music industry's most talented singers. But according to host Ryan Seacrest, there's one winner who's really made the most of that incredible launchpad. When asked on TODAY Tuesday who he thinks is the "biggest star" from the show, Seacrest had a quick and ready answer. "Carrie Underwood," he said immediately, referring to the show's fourth-season winner, who has gone on to be a multiplatinum-selling artist and appeared with Seacrest on "Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve" last week. Ryan Seacrest and Carrie Underwood were a winning pair on New Year's Eve in New York City.Jamie McCarthy/DCNYRE2016 / Getty Images Contributor Not Kelly Clarkson, another major musical name who won the first season? "Kelly, too," he admitted. "But I was just on 'New Year's' with Carrie, and she's just a superstar. She really is." Seacrest doesn't sing, but you could say that the series (which is about to start its final season) has helped make him into a superstar, too. While he has other jobs as a DJ and producer, he said it's going to be an adjustment not to be making season 16 of "Idol." "I can't imagine life without going on the auditions every summer, then doing the shows for months afterward," he admitted. "I'm just sort of thinking about that last episode, the last night, the final time we crown a winner and how emotional that will be. I love this show." So do millions of others! "American Idol" returns for its final season on Wednesday, January 6 at 8 p.m. on FOX Yeah I mean this was before The Kelly Clarkson Show, before The Voice, and before she gave a long dying American Idol, the show she gave birth to, its only (and last) pop culture moment/relevance in a decade with her globally viral performance of Piece By Piece - and arguably the show’s most impactful moment since her own win 16 seasons earlier. Oh and before Idol begged her to be the flagship judge of their rebooted show and before she said “thanks but no thanks”. Besides, I’m not convinced Seacrest could not name another country in the world outside America apart from ‘Britain’ so his very narrow, United Statesoscopic view of success didn’t surprise me four years ago and doesn’t surprise me now.
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Post by neally on Feb 23, 2020 22:30:42 GMT -5
An old article but another perspective:
Ryan Seacrest reveals the 'biggest star' from 'American Idol'
Jan. 5, 2016, 8:04 AM CST / Source: TODAY
By Randee Dawn
www.today.com/popculture/ryan-seacrest-reveals-biggest-star-american-idol-t65181
After 14 seasons, "American Idol" has been responsible for launching the careers of some of the music industry's most talented singers. But according to host Ryan Seacrest, there's one winner who's really made the most of that incredible launchpad. When asked on TODAY Tuesday who he thinks is the "biggest star" from the show, Seacrest had a quick and ready answer. "Carrie Underwood," he said immediately, referring to the show's fourth-season winner, who has gone on to be a multiplatinum-selling artist and appeared with Seacrest on "Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve" last week. Ryan Seacrest and Carrie Underwood were a winning pair on New Year's Eve in New York City.Jamie McCarthy/DCNYRE2016 / Getty Images Contributor Not Kelly Clarkson, another major musical name who won the first season? "Kelly, too," he admitted. "But I was just on 'New Year's' with Carrie, and she's just a superstar. She really is." Seacrest doesn't sing, but you could say that the series (which is about to start its final season) has helped make him into a superstar, too. While he has other jobs as a DJ and producer, he said it's going to be an adjustment not to be making season 16 of "Idol." "I can't imagine life without going on the auditions every summer, then doing the shows for months afterward," he admitted. "I'm just sort of thinking about that last episode, the last night, the final time we crown a winner and how emotional that will be. I love this show." So do millions of others! "American Idol" returns for its final season on Wednesday, January 6 at 8 p.m. on FOX Yeah I mean this was before The Kelly Clarkson Show, before The Voice, and before she gave a long dying American Idol, the show she gave birth to, its only (and last) pop culture moment/relevance in a decade with her globally viral performance of Piece By Piece - and arguably the show’s most impactful moment since her own win 16 seasons earlier. Oh and before Idol begged her to be the flagship judge of their rebooted show and before she said “thanks but no thanks”. Besides, I’m not convinced Seacrest could not name another country in the world outside America apart from ‘Britain’ so his very narrow, United Statesoscopic view of success didn’t surprise me four years ago and doesn’t surprise me now. In addition to all of those things from 2016-present, you forget to mention hosting the BBMAs the last two years, writing and releasing two books, starring in several animated movies, her LV residency, her Xmas single about to become a Xmas staple/classic, and being the Queen of NBC with a highly lucrative contract with NBC/Universal, giving her loads of Today Show and NBC Show appearances, in addition to her two NBC shows and BBMAs- won 3/4 seasons of ‘The Voice’. As I wrote in my original post above, I believe Carrie would have held this crown from 2015 through until early 2019, but since that time through present, Kelly’s star and brand are far bigger as a musician, personality, entertainer, entrepreneur (as executive producer of her own show and cashing in in syndication cheques) than those of Carrie or any other Idol for the aforementioned reasons.
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Post by toomuchboy on Feb 23, 2020 23:05:41 GMT -5
Yes, that's yet another point in Kelly's favor I didn't think of, her dominance with holiday music. I don't think Carrie is as far behind Kelly as she should be considering how big Kelly was at one time and that the earlier a contestant came in Idol's run the better they did. That's a testament to how amazingly well Carrie has done. But I'd still put her behind Kelly just based on the constraints that come from being a niche genre star.
Although it's worth pointing out, too, that Carrie was one of the Big Names of country in a way Kelly Clarkson has never been for pop.
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Post by Jack on Feb 24, 2020 5:36:48 GMT -5
I don't think Carrie is as far behind Kelly as she should be considering how big Kelly was at one time and that the earlier a contestant came in Idol's run the better they did. That's a testament to how amazingly well Carrie has done. But I'd still put her behind Kelly just based on the constraints that come from being a niche genre star. Yes, Kelly released her debut in 2003. Carrie her debut in a 2005 (two years after Kelly terraformed the industry for Idol contestants with Pop hits and platinum albums disproving the widely held belief that in terms of real world success the show's contestants in the music industry was and would be a joke). Two whole years. A lifetime (for a moment like this). I don't get your characterization that the "earlier a contestant came in on Idol, the better they did". Tell that to Justin. There is no direct correlation or pattern other than to say the first six or seven years yielded the most successful artists post-show, compared to Idol's mid or later years. Kelly was first and entered an unwelcoming pop world that treated her as something of a joke, and immediately following her were plenty of successes and plenty of failures. Kelly should be credited, not have it held against her as some sort of phony logic that the earlier you were on Idol's run = easier/bigger succcess. Although it's worth pointing out, too, that Carrie was one of the Big Names of country in a way Kelly Clarkson has never been for pop. Incorrect. Between 2004-2006, Kelly was absolutely one of biggest Pop artists on earth (not just one genre in one country). i.e. most played/most sold. If you discount legacy comebacks like Mariah, she was undoubtedly the biggest of the new Pop acts during that time. An absolute staple on Pop radio and with an album that remains one of the biggest selling of all time on her core format. Revisionist history or no, the idea that Kelly wasn't one of the 'Big Names' in Pop during the five single, record breaking, twelve million selling dominance that was the Breakaway era is fantasy.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 24, 2020 8:51:55 GMT -5
Kelly was definitely the main pop girl at one point. That's undeniable.
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Post by toomuchboy on Feb 25, 2020 17:54:56 GMT -5
Incorrect. Between 2004-2006, Kelly was absolutely one of biggest Pop artists on earth (not just one genre in one country). i.e. most played/most sold. If you discount legacy comebacks like Mariah, she was undoubtedly the biggest of the new Pop acts during that time. An absolute staple on Pop radio and with an album that remains one of the biggest selling of all time on her core format. Revisionist history or no, the idea that Kelly wasn't one of the 'Big Names' in Pop during the five single, record breaking, twelve million selling dominance that was the Breakaway era is fantasy. My point was that Kelly isn't going to be remembered like Gaga, Adele, Beyoncé, etc. (much less compared to older artists like Mariah, Elton John, Michael Jackson, Madonna, and so on), whereas Carrie will be compared to greats in country like Reba, Martina, and others when she's older. Kelly is often sort of forgotten about similar to P!nk. Anyway, I already said Kelly was #1 a page ago and again in that post, I'm just acknowledging in Carrie's favor that Kelly should be much farther ahead than she is considering her positioning as American Idol's original star and her ability for worldwide success versus a country star.
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Post by bhadbhabie on Feb 26, 2020 22:01:39 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson.
There certainly should be no argument about the top 2, as nobody else comes close to Clarkson & Underwood.
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Post by bhadbhabie on Feb 26, 2020 22:44:48 GMT -5
In terms of US chart points, even if Clarkson never charted again, it would take Underwood about another decade before she bridged the gap between them, given the rate she's been going in the last three years.
Underwood hasn't really had an "impressive" year since 2016. And it's not like she hasn't released a studio album. She did in 2018. She's simply moving the way of Chesney, McGraw and a lot of other Country old guard, where they're still around but struggle to really get hits.
As for the smaller Idol stars, I would go with...
3. Daughtry 4. Jordin Sparks 5... Fantasia?
Phillip Phillips and Adam Lambert as the honorable mentions.
Surprised nobody seems to have mentioned Phillip Phillip's yet among the impressive lower ones. "Home" and "Gone, Gone, Gone" were an impressive pair of hits. Especially the former.
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