Gary
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Post by Gary on Feb 27, 2020 11:10:24 GMT -5
Kelly & Carrie are certainly the two biggest names to come from the show in its history. Carrie is 15 years removed from her Idol win, Kelly is 18 years removed. The success they have at some point would be because of who they are rather than what show they appeared on 15-20 years ago.
With the modern day contestants being largely irrelevant, I would say American Idol's biggest star is Ryan Seacrest.
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Post by Choco on Feb 27, 2020 11:58:29 GMT -5
The thing with Phillip P. is that he faded into oblivion rather quickly after those two hits, while Lambert, Hudson and Fatansia all more or less stayed relevant on their genres/niches.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Feb 27, 2020 12:43:57 GMT -5
Can it be a tie between Carrie and Kelly?
A strong case can be made for both, and you can't really talk about the success of "Idol" without mentioning both...
Carrie within her format is one of the biggest stars of the past 15 years, but Kelly has made herself into quite the multimedia superstar (but both are really multimedia superstars in their own right). In terms of global success I'd argue they're on similar levels (although Kelly definitely had bigger international hits). It's honestly very hard to rank one above the other, so for me it's a tie; perhaps with the edge to Kelly.
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Post by bhadbhabie on Feb 27, 2020 23:12:25 GMT -5
If you want to talk about the very long term future, we can't ignore the fact that Clatkson made the closest thing to a Christmas standard in the last 25 years.
If "Under The Tree" maintains its status, it could be well known decades from now, the same way tracks from people like Brenda Lee or Perry Como are today.
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Post by Jack on Mar 3, 2020 10:29:24 GMT -5
In terms of US chart points, even if Clarkson never charted again, it would take Underwood about another decade before she bridged the gap between them, given the rate she's been going in the last three years. We stan sexy lil effective punches. Incorrect. Between 2004-2006, Kelly was absolutely one of biggest Pop artists on earth (not just one genre in one country). i.e. most played/most sold. If you discount legacy comebacks like Mariah, she was undoubtedly the biggest of the new Pop acts during that time. An absolute staple on Pop radio and with an album that remains one of the biggest selling of all time on her core format. Revisionist history or no, the idea that Kelly wasn't one of the 'Big Names' in Pop during the five single, record breaking, twelve million selling dominance that was the Breakaway era is fantasy. My point was that Kelly isn't going to be remembered like Gaga, Adele, Beyoncé, etc. (much less compared to older artists like Mariah, Elton John, Michael Jackson, Madonna, and so on), whereas Carrie will be compared to greats in country like Reba, Martina, and others when she's older. Kelly is often sort of forgotten about similar to P!nk. Anyway, I already said Kelly was #1 a page ago and again in that post, I'm just acknowledging in Carrie's favor that Kelly should be much farther ahead than she is considering her positioning as American Idol's original star and her ability for worldwide success versus a country star. Yeah, I think it's a reach. "Carrie is bigger because Kelly won't be spoken about in the same breath as Elton John" isn't really the effective argument I think you think it is. If Kelly won't be seen as a superstar compared to the biggest Popular music stars of all time, neither will Carrie. Again this floats back to how we can move the goal posts to mean Kelly legacy has to stand up to the biggest global music stars in history, and Carrie gets to go bigger fish smaller pond within one genre in one country. If you want to talk about the very long term future, we can't ignore the fact that Clatkson made the closest thing to a Christmas standard in the last 25 years. If "Under The Tree" maintains its status, it could be well known decades from now, the same way tracks from people like Brenda Lee or Perry Como are today. Right. And as for recurrent hits compared to someone like Adele (as brought up), pop culture wise is the chorus of Since U Been Gone so much less familiar to people than, say Rolling In The Deep? In terms of evergreen/legacy/recurrent hits decade(s) after release, I think Kelly is doing fine.
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