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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:11:48 GMT -5
I've got a little catching up to do so i'll be back shortly but question... @mods: So we've got about one irl day before the D1 Lynch 1 deadline. And once that lynch happens, there will be no Twilight yet because we'll continue with D1. And we'll see the results of Lynch 1 right away? Is this correct? yup, when the deadline is reached tomorrow (assuming we don't get someone with 9 votes), the lynch will happen and then D1 will continue, with a new lynch vote (this one will need 8 to lynch)
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 15:26:57 GMT -5
Just worked through the thread and I'm just posting my thoughts on everyone as we currently stand. Lordeftones β sus as all hell tbh. He knows how to play. Where are you Lord? Web what made you drop your suspicions of Lord? Heβs not even really been around. Iβm curious where your head is at with this. Codex β he did answer Maxβs question and we know he has experience playing. But he hasnβt really put it to use thus far and idk how to feel about that. Walt β Hasnβt answered Maxβs question but I think heβs newer? Iβm still side-eyeing the quick jump to vote for Lord. Not to mention the fact that his only posts have been an intro one and a post with nothing but a convenient vote. If its nerves, its time to get over those. Itβs ok to say what you might think of as the wrong thingβ¦as long as you say something. Couple this with the fact that most of the other newbies have since jumped in and Iβm getting scum newb vibes here β possibly coached by an experienced team mate to just not say anything at all? Snarks β first time playing. Suspects Nick Perkins of being mafia for pushing BB as mafia in order to make it seem like he doesnβt know what heβs doing. Snarks doesnβt feel comfortable with this 100%, heβs just going off his hunch. I'm getting a decent amount of effort from snarks for a newbie - but what that tells me about his game i'm not sure yet. Tanooki β hasnβt answered Maxβs question. And jumped on the Lord lynchwagonβ¦and hasnβt done much else since then. Iβm gonna venture to say she has little experience here too? But I legit canβt tell if this is just lazy game play, newb game play or lowkey mafia. FoS here for sure. Devil Marlena Nylund what do you make of tanookiβs vote? I am asking you because you offered insight on most sus players but not her. BB β not that familiar with the game. And it could be that heβs got a newbie game to which I just suggest widening your scope a little bit. That exchange we had was odd to me but I donβt know what to make of it yet. Exclusive β first time playing β voted BB to have a vote in. He pointed out that Lord has been active across the board but hasnβt been so in this game. How are you feeling about this now? Nick Perkins β first time playing β Voted for Lord so as to not anger anyone and from this Iβm inferring that he figures it was better to just go with the flow. He also doesnβt get Mafia vibes from Lord though. Is now suspicious of BB for acting shady. Not sure what to make of him at this point. Hamed β Answered Maxβs question and explained Town of Salem as his experience to explain his lynchwagon game play thus far. Thatβs interesting. I suppose I can buy this. Matt recently dropped his FoS on Hamed and yet others have joined a lynchwagon. Iβm not sure how I feel about this. I could see Newb Scum here. Web β answered experience and has been another though leader so far. This is also his usual game play and doesnβt mean much at this point. I appreciate the attempt at getting a lynch strategy going. I wonβt say that there isnβt a potential mafia strategy involved there. But if there is, I canβt quite see it at this point based on current activity. Anna β hasnβt answered Maxβs question yet. And here Iβm working off of past experience with her in other games, which admittedly isnβt always going to tell us anything. But I have seen this anna before where she tries to sway a decision by going hard for it and that anna was not on my side. Unrelated and from a totally separate game but its what Iβve got to work with as of now. Charmander β answered Max's experience question. Suspected by Matt and Mayman. How are you two feeling about Charmander since the replies? Mayman β first time playing. I need to see more from you. Koochie Iβm confused even after re-reading what your stance is on Mayman and his vote for Charmander. You mentioned how βhe left Lord close to a lynchβ but Mayman didnβt vote for Lord. Can you clarify this please? Or what am I missing here? Max β Posed the experience question and I appreciated the start of convo. Max too tends to be a thought leader and from what I can see, is playing in a very helpful Town Max type of way. Again, not telling us much at this point in the game but the more info a player puts out there now, the more we have to look back at later, so thatβs good at least. Matt/the house β didnβt answer the experience question but we know what it is. But for other players that donβt, this boy knows how to play. As of now, heβs being his usual thought leader self. This doesnβt mean too much at this point because ScumMatt and TownMatt both do that. Heβs been the main one to question the strategy Web offered on how to handle the D1 lynches. Albie - hi
With all that being said, I'd love to see where others stand on our roster of players at this point. We have 24 hours to go before the first lynch and we're nowhere closer to feeling that great about anyone. Natural for D1, sure. But I wonder if its time to start thinking about how to go about this? Do we look at Web's strategy? Does anyone else have any ideas? Is it now worth it to consider who is inactive and whether that is a reason to lynch someone? A part of me thinks, well, if you say nothing then you're not helping anyway. But that tends to lead us to mislynches. But we do have two opportunities per Day so this isn't the sort of game where that's the worst move.
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 15:31:50 GMT -5
Koochie , the reason I haven't changed my vote yet is for the exact reason you stated, he hasn't really said anything much to defend himself against any accusations or questions. It seems like he's starting to now, so I will go ahead and ask this - Charmander, how come you didn't say anything when I voted you? It seems like you didn't even attempt to change my mind. Frankly because when you voted for me, that was during the time people were casting votes without much reason. Looking back you probably did have a specific reason why but you havenβt posted it til now. Though I simply couldβve asked why so that was my mistake. He did answer it here actually. He said he voted you because you hadn't said much up to that point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:35:56 GMT -5
vote: tanooki
total RVS but Tanooki has given the least material to work so far so girl get out here.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 19, 2020 15:36:28 GMT -5
Tanooki β hasnβt answered Maxβs question. And jumped on the Lord lynchwagonβ¦and hasnβt done much else since then. Iβm gonna venture to say she has little experience here too? But I legit canβt tell if this is just lazy game play, newb game play or lowkey mafia. FoS here for sure. Devil Marlena Nylund what do you make of tanookiβs vote? I am asking you because you offered insight on most sus players but not her. I didn't even notice (and it seems neither did the mods at first either) but I would lump Tanook in the BB/nick perkins of the game. For now, I *could* chalk it up to newbie error without fully removing a side-eye from them because as a newbie, they do have that extra layer of protection if they are actually scum.
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Post by Web on Mar 19, 2020 15:41:08 GMT -5
glad to see more people are voting and talking to each other Vote: Tanookiwhat do you think about the game so far? So far your posts other than saying hi were a vote on the Lord wagon and then another one saying you didn't read any of the thread yet. Who do you think is shady so far and why? so if we're running low on options for scum targets and are forced to turn to an inactive player for a lynch target at some point during the two day lynches, that more inactive lower information lynch should be saved for the second lynch if at all possible so we can get the insight/help after the first, higher information lynch from a larger town. what happens if we mislynch first, though? Do we continue to focus on the inactive players? What's wrong with lynching an inactive player first to give ourselves more time and information to go off of for the second lynch? the main line of thinking behind those strategy posts was looking way forward in the game to a D6 or something situation where a lot of the experienced town players have been killed off and town is down to less experienced/inactive town players vs a mafia who can perhaps guide them around easier. I was trying to think of ways to use the extra day phase that we have with the stronger town players as efficiently as possible. If we make determinations that players are more likely to be scum then obviously that overrides going after inactive, less certain players but activity in the game has increased a bit so I'm feeling a little more optimistic about avoiding dealing with inactives this game. Albie the main reason I unvoted Lord was because I didn't want the random lynchwagon from nowhere to somehow become an early lynch if I couldn't check the thread for a few hours. Additionally the fact that it sparked from basically nothing made me think there was a chance of a mafia player somewhere in there trying to get an easy shot on a townie and why I was backing off from wanting to lynch him first, but that isn't really a strong lean yet and I'd like to hear more from him specifically asap some people i want to actual opinions on other players from: tanooki , walt91 , Lordefβ ones I can throw some more leads together in a few hours.
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Post by tanooki on Mar 19, 2020 15:42:05 GMT -5
girl i been asleep
no for some reason i just blindly join whatever mylo tells me to so here we are
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 15:44:42 GMT -5
Tanooki β hasnβt answered Maxβs question. And jumped on the Lord lynchwagonβ¦and hasnβt done much else since then. Iβm gonna venture to say she has little experience here too? But I legit canβt tell if this is just lazy game play, newb game play or lowkey mafia. FoS here for sure. Devil Marlena Nylund what do you make of tanookiβs vote? I am asking you because you offered insight on most sus players but not her. I didn't even notice (and it seems neither did the mods at first either) but I would lump Tanook in the BB/nick perkins of the game. For now, I *could* chalk it up to newbie error without fully removing a side-eye from them because as a newbie, they do have that extra layer of protection if they are actually scum. I think I know why you're bringing up the mods but just to be sure, what do you mean 'neither did the mods'?
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 15:45:34 GMT -5
girl i been asleep no for some reason i just blindly join whatever mylo tells me to so here we are you do seem to wake up at most convenient times though, specifically when your name is being brought up.
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Post by tanooki on Mar 19, 2020 15:48:54 GMT -5
glad to see more people are voting and talking to each other Vote: Tanookiwhat do you think about the game so far? So far your posts other than saying hi were a vote on the Lord wagon and then another one saying you didn't read any of the thread yet. Who do you think is shady so far and why? what happens if we mislynch first, though? Do we continue to focus on the inactive players? What's wrong with lynching an inactive player first to give ourselves more time and information to go off of for the second lynch? the main line of thinking behind those strategy posts was looking way forward in the game to a D6 or something situation where a lot of the experienced town players have been killed off and town is down to less experienced/inactive town players vs a mafia who can perhaps guide them around easier. I was trying to think of ways to use the extra day phase that we have with the stronger town players as efficiently as possible. If we make determinations that players are more likely to be scum then obviously that overrides going after inactive, less certain players but activity in the game has increased a bit so I'm feeling a little more optimistic about avoiding dealing with inactives this game. Albie the main reason I unvoted Lord was because I didn't want the random lynchwagon from nowhere to somehow become an early lynch if I couldn't check the thread for a few hours. Additionally the fact that it sparked from basically nothing made me think there was a chance of a mafia player somewhere in there trying to get an easy shot on a townie and why I was backing off from wanting to lynch him first, but that isn't really a strong lean yet and I'd like to hear more from him specifically asap some people i want to actual opinions on other players from: tanooki , walt91 , Lordefβ ones I can throw some more leads together in a few hours. I'm just inactive while y'all are active, which appears to be the morning when I'm not awake lmao theres a few people im watching but i wont name names atm, im still tryna figure out what im looking for if that makes sense. i voted lord bc its a first vote and between him and hamed who was also in the lead, lord seemed infinitely more sus to me and it felt like voting for a random ass person would seem even more strange than just following the crowd bc mylo throws me into these games lmao
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Post by tanooki on Mar 19, 2020 15:52:08 GMT -5
but gimme like an hour imma change my vote
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Post by charmander78 on Mar 19, 2020 15:55:10 GMT -5
Frankly because when you voted for me, that was during the time people were casting votes without much reason. Looking back you probably did have a specific reason why but you havenβt posted it til now. Though I simply couldβve asked why so that was my mistake. He did answer it here actually. He said he voted you because you hadn't said much up to that point.Β Ah yea, missed that sorry. Also wasnβt contributing as much in the beginning cuz Iβm on mobile a lot, but doing the best I can. Also wasnβt sure what to say in the beginning and was trying to wait out the lorde wagon. Iβll try to post my thoughts on everyone later tonight.
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Post by tanooki on Mar 19, 2020 16:02:40 GMT -5
nvm im revoting now
Vote: Mayman
something seems off about the way all of the discord newbies are visibly confused and unsure of what to do except him
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 16:09:53 GMT -5
He did answer it here actually. He said he voted you because you hadn't said much up to that point. Ah yea, missed that sorry. Also wasnβt contributing as much in the beginning cuz Iβm on mobile a lot, but doing the best I can. Also wasnβt sure what to say in the beginning and was trying to wait out the lorde wagon.Iβll try to post my thoughts on everyone later tonight. wait what do you mean "wait out the lorde wagon"?
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Post by Mayman on Mar 19, 2020 16:53:04 GMT -5
He did answer it here actually. He said he voted you because you hadn't said much up to that point.Β Ah yea, missed that sorry. Also wasnβt contributing as much in the beginning cuz Iβm on mobile a lot, but doing the best I can. Also wasnβt sure what to say in the beginning and was trying to wait out the lorde wagon. Iβll try to post my thoughts on everyone later tonight. Thanks, that's all I'm looking for. Which brings me to Albie's question. I don't feel charmander is as sus anymore after he has explained himself a little more. Which brings me to my next topic: nvm im revoting now Vote: Maymansomething seems off about the way all of the discord newbies are visibly confused and unsure of what to do except him I'm not sure what Discord has to do with this. I haven't played before, I answered that already. I don't think I need to unnecessarily bring that up again unless there's an actual reason to. I honestly forgot that you were playing until you started posting just now. The fact that you only come discuss things when you are brought up is really sus for me. I'm not sure why you keep mentioning "mylo keeps throwing me into these"? What does that really have to do with it? For these reasons, Vote: Tanooki[/i]
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Post by rainie on Mar 19, 2020 16:58:37 GMT -5
to give a (super late) answer to Max's question, this is my second time playing, and my first was a very short round a couple years ago, so i have very little experience at this.
admittedly i jumped on Codex because i misread what someone was saying -- i've since shifted my suspicions to HamedM1 for aforementioned reasons, although i admittedly feel a little less confident about that then i used to be. really the only other person that sticks out a significant amount is Lordeftones, but again, you'd think mafia would want to participate more? i'll keep my eyes out though
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Post by tanooki on Mar 19, 2020 16:58:41 GMT -5
Ah yea, missed that sorry. Also wasnβt contributing as much in the beginning cuz Iβm on mobile a lot, but doing the best I can. Also wasnβt sure what to say in the beginning and was trying to wait out the lorde wagon. Iβll try to post my thoughts on everyone later tonight. Thanks, that's all I'm looking for. Which brings me to Albie's question. I don't feel charmander is as sus anymore after he has explained himself a little more. Which brings me to my next topic: nvm im revoting now Vote: Maymansomething seems off about the way all of the discord newbies are visibly confused and unsure of what to do except him I'm not sure what Discord has to do with this. I haven't played before, I answered that already. I don't think I need to unnecessarily bring that up again unless there's an actual reason to. I honestly forgot that you were playing until you started posting just now. The fact that you only come discuss things when you are brought up is really sus for me. I'm not sure why you keep mentioning "mylo keeps throwing me into these"? What does that really have to do with it? For these reasons, Vote: Tanooki[/i][/quote] its pretty much a running joke now that mylo invites me to random shit and i just do it without hesitation lmao, between this and PAR. mylo invited me to play mafia but only sent me a link to a newgrounds thing explaining how mafia works "The fact that you only come discuss things when you are brought up is really sus for me" so should I play the game or not lmao
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 19, 2020 17:00:57 GMT -5
I didn't even notice (and it seems neither did the mods at first either) but I would lump Tanook in the BB/nick perkins of the game. For now, I *could* chalk it up to newbie error without fully removing a side-eye from them because as a newbie, they do have that extra layer of protection if they are actually scum. I think I know why you're bringing up the mods but just to be sure, what do you mean 'neither did the mods'? In the vote update I copied from in my post from earlier today it didnβt list a vote from tanooki. It wasnβt until the next one that it did. (I think - unless I copied the wrong one but I donβt think I did)
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Post by tanooki on Mar 19, 2020 17:02:37 GMT -5
also is it just me or does only voting for me when i point you out seem really suspicious
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Post by Mayman on Mar 19, 2020 17:07:26 GMT -5
I honestly was going to vote for you before I saw that you voted for me. I just don't know enough about you yet. But for me, you are the most sus as of now.
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 17:13:05 GMT -5
I think I know why you're bringing up the mods but just to be sure, what do you mean 'neither did the mods'? In the vote update I copied from in my post from earlier today it didnβt list a vote from tanooki. It wasnβt until the next one that it did. (I think - unless I copied the wrong one but I donβt think I did) You did actually copy an old vote count at that point. There had been another vote count after that. In the one you copied, Tanooki had not voted as of yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 17:18:37 GMT -5
On a completely unrelated side note I wish we had neutral roles that just create a toss up of chaos
In ToS there is a neutral role called Jester where your goal is to get lynched and the outcome of it is that afterwards you get to kill someone who voted for you the following night.
Anyways, I don't think I have any other way of removing anyone's suspicion on me aside from reiterating that the ffirst day is usually a day of flip flopping around different people and what not. Might be different here but I had no clue what to expect here so it makes full sense if ya'll think it's sus.
Anywho, lovely day in town everyone
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 17:25:36 GMT -5
I would say an inactive for day 1 is the wrong move. Should be someone who's been voted on enough and defended that it at least narrows down who one of the other mafia members could be(Not that defending someone automatically makes someone town/mafia but it's than we have to go on now)
This actually makes Lordeftones seem like the most beneficial lynch imo - or anyone else voted on multiple times that's been defended so far (BB/Hamed are the only others right?) it seems like the only way to get actual information and make sure the day 1 one lynch is beneficial and help narrow down the suspect list. If we fucked up and he's town than looking at everyone who stockpiled on the bandwagon the first time would at least narrow down possibilities, and if he's mafia same goes for everyone who defended them. Even if some of the inactive players are mafia and we get lucky, it wouldn't really clarify alliances/narrow down the list as much since I feel like out of anyone they would be the teammate mafia members sacrifice the quickest to help misdirect people. Could be wrong but just what I think might be best going forward.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Mar 19, 2020 17:50:28 GMT -5
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Post by Koochie on Mar 19, 2020 17:55:37 GMT -5
I feel like we have enough discussion and momentum going that we could feasibly attempt to make a case for a lynch instead of just treating this like a shot in the dark. Even if we end up being forced to, we now have a Hamed wagon and a BB wagon as well, and both of them have contributed more themselves to the thread that we can look at as opposed to Lord (whose collection of votes was mostly just arbitrary with little explanation).
I... don't even like that as a suggestion at all.
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Post by Koochie on Mar 19, 2020 17:56:35 GMT -5
That was directed at snarks, the vote count fucked me up
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Post by walt91 on Mar 19, 2020 18:01:16 GMT -5
omg I'm here I'm here, sorry about my inactivity in this thread but I've had other business to attend to~
I'm changing my vote to:
Vote: Mayman
idk I have a hunch lol
BB doesn't strike me as being mafia, just on the quiet side lol
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Post by Albie on Mar 19, 2020 18:06:36 GMT -5
That was directed at snarks, the vote count f**ked me up I followed. And I hear this. I like that snarks made a case for not just voting for inactives. And I'm tending to agree. I don't like that he then decided that meant let's get back over to Lord. Especially since Lord's vote is still on Snarks. But its something to look at, so that's good. Also, Walt finally shows up and does...that? Are you just in agreement with Tanooki? And if so, why?
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Post by walt91 on Mar 19, 2020 18:10:32 GMT -5
That was directed at snarks, the vote count f**ked me up I followed. And I hear this. I like that snarks made a case for not just voting for inactives. And I'm tending to agree. I don't like that he then decided that meant let's get back over to Lord. Especially since Lord's vote is still on Snarks. But its something to look at, so that's good. Also, Walt finally shows up and does...that? Are you just in agreement with Tanooki? And if so, why? To clarify, Iβm voting for Mayman because his voting for Tanooki seems suspect to me, and also I have a gut feeling about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 18:29:44 GMT -5
I feel like we have enough discussion and momentum going that we could feasibly attempt to make a case for a lynch instead of just treating this like a shot in the dark. Even if we end up being forced to, we now have a Hamed wagon and a BB wagon as well, and both of them have contributed more themselves to the thread that we can look at as opposed to Lord (whose collection of votes was mostly just arbitrary with little explanation). I... don't even like that as a suggestion at all. Well I did say anyone who's been voted multiple times and been defended and brought up Hamed/BB as other options so step off my neck. My thing is it could help point towards the mafia members regardless of the outcome cause it's someone who enough players have discussed so just trying to think who's lynch could help provide info. If he's mafia than probably at least one of his defenders are also mafia and if he's town at least one of the arbitrary voters are probably mafia. Thinking it over though I get how it could lead mafia to turning townies against each other and still misdirecting idk I just don't feel confident in anyone yet and was just trying to think about what could lead to the most info.
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