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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 20, 2020 15:39:07 GMT -5
So did Codex just prod his Mafia partner to vote for Hamed so BB would be safe? And BB did you really just plop a vote down without saying anything else? I got my eye on you girl! This whole exchange sits ugly to me. Is Codex protecting BB or trying to pin something on Hamed? Should I be suspicious of codex for alerting BB or BB for just changing a vote without explanation? I don't think codex would be this messy. In partially feels like a wasted vote if I'm in it alone. This game has more newbies than I'm accustomed to playing with and while that's not a bad thing, when you have a high number of players who aren't quite sure what to do, anything and everything could be a sign of scum activity or just newbie ism. Part of me wants to make a lazy assumption that the scum team is made up entirely of newbies but I also need to remind myself to not be lazy and actually look for signs. I guess the fact of the matter is for me, unless someone slips up enough, there's little to go on until a lynch is made and/or a day/night phase concludes. GAHH! I see ther's mere minutes left fuck!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 15:41:17 GMT -5
Please stop all discussion: the 3 day deadline has been reached!
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Mar 20, 2020 15:43:12 GMT -5
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Mar 20, 2020 15:49:39 GMT -5
The shortened group of 16 shuffled all day on the person to select. Who was most likely to have done this? Ultimately five people agreed upon Hamed, and forced their death. However, as Hamed died it became clear that the group had chosen wrong, Hamed had no motive to kill!
@mirza died. They were a Vanilla Townie.
There's still half the daylight left, enough time to try again and actually get the mafia this time! Everyone's votes have been reset and the 72 hour deadline begins again NOW! The clock is here, and should be fixed now so it's accurate everywhere.
Day 2 begins!
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Mar 20, 2020 15:50:49 GMT -5
NOTE: Nick Perkins has requested to be subbed out. We'll get a sub for him as fast as we can.
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Post by Albie on Mar 20, 2020 15:56:14 GMT -5
There's time for other people to move their vote, why you are concerned with BB? Because I'm currently voting for HamedM1 and I want him to be lynched instead. (actually, I don't really have a strong opinion yet, but I'm keeping my vote on him for now, if we're only choosing between these 2 options) Ok, well. Hey girl
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Post by rainie on Mar 20, 2020 16:08:36 GMT -5
As I said earlier I'd like you to weigh in on things. Do you have any opinions, observations, or positions at all? I even explained my Nick vote and said I'd like your perspective on that, which I still would. hey i'm so sorry for the late response! been super busy with pulse survivor. all of what you said makes sense -- i very much agree with the sentiment that the mafia's strategy should be to have a medium amount of participation and passively follow lynches, which is what Nick seems to be doing. now that we're about to begin a new round, i think he's absolutely someone to keep an eye on. edit: nvm, he's getting subbed out. lets def keep an eye on whoever his sub is and how they play though
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Post by Albie on Mar 20, 2020 16:23:07 GMT -5
The timing of this post isn't sitting well with me...
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Post by Web on Mar 20, 2020 16:28:13 GMT -5
alright so just getting off work now, here's a full list of who voted Hamed at any point in the first half of D1: (also praying these spoilers work bc i always fuck them up but let's see what happens) Web [Reply #93] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Yeah BB, I luh you but that does seem fairly sus Whatcha plan on doing about that? Might consider switching over my vote to ya why not just do it now? Or does Lord still seem more sus to you? Vote: HamedM1 rainie [Reply #95] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} BB is acting sus, yes, but i genuinely think the dude just doesn't have much experience. meanwhile, i'm much more worried about the person who has said that this isn't their first rodeo, and yet has changed their vote twice, conveniently right when a critical mass of people begun to target said person... Vote: HamedM1 charmander78 [Reply #99] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} BB is acting sus, yes, but i genuinely think the dude just doesn't have much experience. meanwhile, i'm much more worried about the person who has said that this isn't their first rodeo, and yet has changed their vote twice, conveniently right when a critical mass of people begun to target said person... Vote: HamedM1I agree with anna on this. Hamed casted a vote on Lordeftones when others were piling on, and flopped over to BB. This is a bit suspicious. Vote: HamedM1 Codex [Reply #105] {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Y'ALL. There's like 3-4 mafia, they could lynch Lorddeaftones if we get him this close to 9 votes... mine was mostlly RVS Vote: @mirza going to switch to you for now since you were the last vote even after Web specifically told everyone to slow down, girl My level of playing mafia is... decent? I don't know, I haven't played in a long time. I played a lot of games, but I never really had a good strategy in the first place, I always just followed my intuition and did random s**t to accidentally cause drama Day1 and get things going. Which I guess is kind of happening right now too? all im saying is there's a reason i'm gunning for Codex! not only was he the person to start a lunch train for Lordeftones, he did so without providing any sort of rhyme or reason, then quickly switched onto me purely as revenge, before going back to Lordeftones. that feels a lil fishy to me... I didn't start a lunch train, I was the 2nd vote, and I was also the only person to have an actual argument, even if it wasn't entirely serious. Try again sweetie! That reminds me, how many mafia do you guys think there are? I think 3 would be too few and 5 would be too many, since there's no cop or anything apparently. Spoiler Web [Reply #161] - back on the wagon after briefly voting Tanooki. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} ok so we're under 24 hours until the first lynch, thankfully we don't *need* to get to a majority to lynch someone but it would be nice to bring more clarity to where town stands right now. The information we'd get from a Lord lynch is a shaky wagon where a lot of people have RVS "outs" and basically nothing from his end in posts. Unless he comes in to add more context to his place in the game I don't think he should be the first lynch today. My vote was currently on Tanooki but she isn't giving us much to work with either and is a newer player though. Since BB is currently the leading wagon it's time for me to go refresh myself on his game so far...
So first BB voted The House, hopping on that wagon second and still pretty firmly on RVS. His second post w/content was the 6th player hopping on the Lord wagon with 0 explanation which definitely doesn't look great. This vote earned him his first non-RVS (or at least coming out of RVS vote) from Albie and then in retailation BB voted for Albie. I feel like the past few times we've played seeing a D1 new player fight back at one of the experienced players has more often than not come back town (mylo going at The House D1 of his first game jumps to mind). The rest of BB's posts are reacting to Albie's questioning the reasoning behind BB's vote and reacting to a wagon starting to form on him. I don't think his posts are coming off as very defensive despite Hamed claiming that it was an "overt defensiveness", and I feel like there's a chance a newbie mafia player would panic even with 4 votes. So far BB is a slight town lean based on his actions being consistent with that of a new player.
Looking back over Hamed's posts, they definitely look shadier than BB's. Hopped on the Lord wagon 7th (though right after I unvoted to it stayed at 6) which looked really bad and the hesitancy to put his vote on BB even after seeing something suspicious jumped out at me as scummy. (and made me throw a vote his way initially). Yeah BB, I luh you but that does seem fairly sus Whatcha plan on doing about that? Might consider switching over my vote to ya He ended up voting BB after I voted for him, As a wagon started to form, he was pretty clearly more defensive than he accused BB of being, talking about the wagon forming on him and now to potentially get rid of it in two separate posts [#101 and #147]. Throughout all of his posts he's only really given a vague opinion on Lord's play and what he thinks of BB and Albie. I'd like to see what he thinks about more of the players in the game. Finally, this point isn't nearly as strong as the others but he's edited a few of his posts after making them, which always makes me a little suspicious because mafia would have more of a reason to want to revise their thoughts after posting than town. Vote: HamedM1I'm comfortable with this lynch as things stand in terms of looking scummy and giving us some information to work with for the second half of the day. When I get a break for lunch I'll try to type something up for players who haven't had the spotlight on them much this game. Also Exclusive please come back and let us know what your thoughts are! and finally BB🌕 [Reply #177] post-Codex reminder {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
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Post by Web on Mar 20, 2020 16:28:55 GMT -5
holy shit it worked
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Post by walt91 on Mar 20, 2020 16:53:03 GMT -5
btw i don't really have any strong feeling about Codex reminding BB to vote Hamed, as he just said above he was on the Hamed wagon so wants people to jump over there and if they were maf teammates they probably would have talked about that in the private maf chat instead of reminding in thread lmao ...i guess as a real stretch maf!Codex could post that reminder to maf!BB publicly to make it seem so obvious there's no way they could be scumbuddies when they actually were, but i still think BB is town so that was just as far as a reach I could make to try and find something out of it. The whole thing doesn't really seem that fishy to me lol I agree, the way I saw it Codex was just giving BB advice since BB is new to this lol. If there was something criminal going on, it would be stupid to put it in the thread for everyone to see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 16:54:44 GMT -5
I came so close to voting for bb after codex pulled that last-minute shit.... fuck.
I will send in an analysis of everyone tonight but still don't feel confident in all at my readings. Getting the tin foil hat ready.
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Post by Koochie on Mar 20, 2020 17:01:38 GMT -5
unvote: Nick
vote: Charmander
To answer your question Albie, I find them both equally scummy. I just wanted to see what results applied pressure would yield. Charmander laying one vote down on the easy Hamed wagon doesn’t feel great to me either.
We need to look into the Hamed lynch, although I hate plurality lunches because it gives scum way more room to hide.
I’ll need to look over things more in depth later.
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Post by tanooki on Mar 20, 2020 17:45:07 GMT -5
who do i even trust anymore
Im still very sketchy about mayman, just something seems off 🤔
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Post by charmander78 on Mar 20, 2020 18:05:11 GMT -5
The house, I understand if you think my hamed vote was wagon like. I did feel hamed was the most suspicious at the time and even until the lynch, though was having some hesitation very last minute bc of the bb/codex thing. But still I thought hamed was most likely to be scum and it looks like I was wrong. I understand people’s defenses of the bb codex and maybe I jumped a little too much on that. It wouldn’t be v smart if they were both mafia, but possible that one of them could be. But need to think more on that. Albie, you stated earlier that Web was leaning scum? Would like to hear your thoughts on that.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Mar 20, 2020 19:28:33 GMT -5
NOTE: Nick Perkins has requested to be subbed out. We'll get a sub for him as fast as we can. Baby Spice officially replaces Nick Perkins!
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Post by Koochie on Mar 20, 2020 19:30:26 GMT -5
I guess I should clarify; your vote wasn’t a wagon vote because it was only the second vote, but potential for a wagon had been established at the time of your vote (Ie this could’ve been a coordinated effort). I also recall Codex’s pushing very hard for Hamed independent of what was said above, and while I see Web’s defense as sound I’m not ruling it out. BB’s vote was self preservation more than anything, which isn’t like great for information purposes but would only scream scum to me if Codex flipped scum. tanooki if you’re suspicious of Mayman, lay a vote down and ask him questions about his gameplay
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Post by Baby Spice on Mar 20, 2020 19:32:41 GMT -5
Hey y'all. Reading through the thread now!
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Post by Koochie on Mar 20, 2020 19:33:01 GMT -5
I really don’t like the last minute move to Hamed without much discussion about it, though.
And to be frank, Web’s defense of Codex isn’t air tight when you realize quick chats don’t have tags to notify players of deadlines while Pulse does. That’s using extra-game mechanics as crutches to a theory, but if we get that far it’s worth considering.
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Post by Albie on Mar 20, 2020 19:44:23 GMT -5
The house, I understand if you think my hamed vote was wagon like. I did feel hamed was the most suspicious at the time and even until the lynch, though was having some hesitation very last minute bc of the bb/codex thing. But still I thought hamed was most likely to be scum and it looks like I was wrong. I understand people’s defenses of the bb codex and maybe I jumped a little too much on that. It wouldn’t be v smart if they were both mafia, but possible that one of them could be. But need to think more on that. Albie, you stated earlier that Web was leaning scum? Would like to hear your thoughts on that. I'm gonna have to come back to this game later tonight but just wanted to clarify on your question to me. I didn't mean I was leaning Web as scum. What I was saying was that I was making a mental note that Web's read of Hamed was leaning scum. And the house's was leaning town. Something I want to think about more once I re-read and now that we know Hamed was town. Also, welcome Ms Ginger!
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Post by charmander78 on Mar 20, 2020 19:50:47 GMT -5
Ok thank you for the clarification. Sorry for misinterpreting, i don’t mean to insinuate anything and that makes sense given the context.
I’ll try to post another round of thoughts tnite as well.
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Post by charmander78 on Mar 20, 2020 19:53:25 GMT -5
That was to albie btw.
The house, your clarification was good as well. Some analyzation of web defending codex is something I should think more about too.
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Post by Albie on Mar 20, 2020 19:55:31 GMT -5
Ok thank you for the clarification. Sorry for misinterpreting, i don’t mean to insinuate anything and that makes sense given the context. I’ll try to post another round of thoughts tnite as well. You're fine. Question everything, misinterpreted or not. That's how we're gonna get anywhere.
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Post by Baby Spice on Mar 20, 2020 20:31:28 GMT -5
Howdy,
I've read through the thread once fully and skimmed again a couple times over. I wish I had more to go on with some of y'all. The player I'm replacing also didn't leave a lot to go on, so if anyone has any questions (in general or for me specifically), I'll be more than happy to answer.
This might be the hindsight talking because I did read the first lynch result before going through the thread, but I didn't find Hamed remotely suspicious, so his lynch is puzzling to me. Looking at the posts voting for Hamed, a looot of them mention/seem to defend BB, with BB coming in with the final "hammer" (I guess it'd still be considered a hammer since it did the deed, even if it was based on time rather than majority.) Both charmander and anna based their votes on Hamed's suspicion of BB (Web kind of did too, but I thought his vote had more to do with getting Hamed to talk, if that makes since? 'Cause web actually questioned why Hamed wanted to vote for BB but didn't). BB coming in with the final vote for Hamed just kind of seals the sus for me, so for now Vote: BB and FOS charmander and anna.
Albie, the house, and Max are the ones who are really digging into people and make sure questions get asked and points of view are challenged. Albie and the house almost kind of seem like good cop/bad cop team of Albie asking the questions, and the house being the contrarian one and really challenging people's thoughts. Not to say that means one or the other is townie or scum, but they've both contributed a huge amount of discussion so far, which is extremely helpful. I'm always suspicious of the house though, 'cause Town Kunt and Scum Kunt are scarily similar in their playing styles. I haven't found a reason to be suspicious of Max yet.
Tanooki has offered very little in the way of words, initially just inactive and now kind of throwing in one or two sentences here and there. The suspicion of Mayman voting for her after Tanooki addressed suspicion is legitimate (I side-eyed the "I honestly was going to vote for you before I saw that you voted for me." just 'cause that sounds a little too convenient). But Tanooki is also now kind of tunnel-visioned on Mayman, which I find suspicious as well, but that could be a rookie mistake.
I feel like I saw the name Lordeftones so much, but did he even post more than twice? "At least one mafia member likely jumped on the quick bandwagon to vote for me." is not very insightful. - On that note, snarks said in one post that we shouldn't lynch an inactive, yet said two sentences later "This actually makes Lordeftones seem like the most beneficial lynch imo" despite Lordeftones being one of the most inactive players?
Everyone else, I don't feel like I have a lot to go along with. I'll keep skimming through, and see if anything new catches my eye.
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Post by Baby Spice on Mar 20, 2020 20:39:12 GMT -5
^Codex also tagging BB right before the lynch while also voting for Hamed is... hmmmm.
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Post by Koochie on Mar 20, 2020 22:10:22 GMT -5
I like how 90% of every early game analysis about me is always that I’m suspicious because I play the same whether I’m scum or town... even though my win record as scum is completely abysmal.
That snarks post keeps rattling around in my brain too but I feel like he’s made other posts that make it seem like he’s really just a new player trying to figure things out.
I still don’t like how anna decided to chime in after the lynch. She bothered replying and everything a bit before it happened, so she was reading enough to know I’d mentioned her but not enough to know I’d asked for her input. Strange.
Charmander, are you going to lay a vote down or what?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 22:19:11 GMT -5
I feel like I saw the name Lordeftones so much, but did he even post more than twice? "At least one mafia member likely jumped on the quick bandwagon to vote for me." is not very insightful. - On that note, snarks said in one post that we shouldn't lynch an inactive, yet said two sentences later "This actually makes Lordeftones seem like the most beneficial lynch imo" despite Lordeftones being one of the most inactive players? That's more me being stupid lol. I was thinking of Tanooki/Mayam/char and anyone else I'm forgetting because they hadn't contributed or been discussed much by anyone before at that point. I liked the idea of it being the person most people had talked about and while no one voting for him gave real reasons I thought it still would have been something to work with. House pointing out how unsubstantial that early convo and thinking it over made me realize this was dumb. Now that Hamed has turned out to be a townie it's clear how easy it would be for someone else innocent from that group to get pined and lead to a second useless lynch if lordoftones was the first victim and turned out to be townie - and that this could even happen amongst his defenders if he turned out to be mafia.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 22:28:09 GMT -5
That snarks post keeps rattling around in my brain too but I feel like he’s made other posts that make it seem like he’s really just a new player trying to figure things out. Yeah I read too many wiki pages about was trying too hard lol. I was trying to come up with my own suggestion for strategy because I read it's good to try to come up with your own contributions and not just follow along with everything as a newbie but I tried too much too quickly without thinking it through. proud of myself for trying hard as a newbie and still being bad/making myself look sus
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Post by tanooki on Mar 21, 2020 0:32:52 GMT -5
Voting for Mayman
sis what made you want to vote for me other than inactivity? It's my first time playing, what makes you think I have some grand strategy beyond what I've clearly stated? I'm very confused by everyone who thinks that I'm suspicious due to when I say things, not what I say or why. I wanna know what exactly makes me suspicious that isn't my clumsy posting lmao
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Post by Baby Spice on Mar 21, 2020 0:48:09 GMT -5
Voting for Maymansis what made you want to vote for me other than inactivity? It's my first time playing, what makes you think I have some grand strategy beyond what I've clearly stated? I'm very confused by everyone who thinks that I'm suspicious due to when I say things, not what I say or why. I wanna know what exactly makes me suspicious that isn't my clumsy posting lmao Just curious, and I'm sorry if I missed this from the Day One posts, but do you have any suspicions other than Mayman?
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