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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Mar 21, 2020 0:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by Albie on Mar 21, 2020 0:57:52 GMT -5
So, I thought it might useful to go back and review who Hamed voted for and what his posts were like now knowing he was Town. Idk if I'd say it was super useful now having done but it certainly got my brain going anyway. Hamed’s votes: Vote 1: Full-on RVS Bruh s**t's already hitting the fan and we only just begun Vote: the house (gotta support suicide I guess?) Vote 2: Strangely and defiantly becomes the 7th vote for Lord within a super short period of time, catching the attention of many players. There’s more to gain here than I thought because he later follows up by saying his Mafia experience is Town of Salem where its apparently normal to wagon it right up on D1 as an icebreaker. So, he legit just thought he was being helpful. eh lets make things fun I guess since everyone else is doing it Vote: Lordeftones
Notable Post: We now know that he made this post with the only knowledge being that he, himself, is town and is just trying to find his way through the game. BB’s response to this btw? A simple “I’m new and trying to figure it out”. Web’s response? You should have just voted for BB then. And Web proceeds to vote for Hamed. I find this flimsy and still confused by the decision tbh. Yeah BB, I luh you but that does seem fairly sus Whatcha plan on doing about that? Might consider switching over my vote to ya Vote 3: After receiving pressure from Web to go ahead and back his suspicions up by laying down a vote, Hamed does switch his vote over to BB. It stands out to me that in that same post of Web’s, he votes for Hamed. That’s followed by anna laying down the second vote on Hamed. Thanks for pointing this out Ginger. Something about the order of these events doesn’t sit right with me though I can’t put my finger on it. Also, this would be Hamed’s last vote switch before his being lynched. why not just do it now? Or does Lord still seem more sus to you? Vote: HamedM1I mean it would be nice to hear what someone has to say Im gonna go with a hunch Vote: BB Web how are you feeling about BB now that Hamed flipped Town? For the record, I found BB to be acting more defensive than Hamed. But you previously stated you felt the opposite. Codex , you mentioned you were keeping your vote on Hamed right before the lynch. And you also stated that you didn’t actually have a strong opinion yet. But you’d keep your vote there anyway. Where do you stand on this now that he’s flipped Town? For everyone: some of us were taking an interest in the BB, Codex thing. I’m not 100% sure there’s a connection there necessarily but I am wondering if Scumdex is playing the helpful town role? Especially as its so easy to do with all the newbies? Web and Devil Marlena Nylund ? You’d had some thoughts on this prior to the lynch. Where do you stand now? Going back to this post from Codex: I played a lot of games, but I never really had a good strategy in the first place, I always just followed my intuition and did random s**t to accidentally cause drama Day1 and get things going. Which I guess is kind of happening right now too?
The use of the word ‘strategy’ is throwing me off a bit. I don’t have a strategy either when I play as town. But you know when I do have at least an attempt at a strategy is when I’m scum. The second part of that post also threw me off when Codex asks: That reminds me, how many mafia do you guys think there are? I think 3 would be too few and 5 would be too many, since there's no cop or anything apparently.
Is this is a distracted Codex who is only half reading and half in the game? Or is it Scumdex playing innocent Townie? I’m not sure but its something to consider given the rest of the events as they unfolded around him. Ginger Spice maybe it is the benefit of hindsight speaking here but you didn’t find it suspect how Hamed laid down something of a hammer vote on Lord? I only ask that because you mention you didn’t find him ‘remotely suspicious’, which is…strong. Also, it’s messing with me that Nick Perkins was subbed out. I hate when I’m unsure of whether someone was being inactive because they needed to be subbed out all along or if that was a strategy they were using. Again, rainie 's showing up not 20 minutes after the lynch was posted just rubs me the wrong way. It’s too convenient but its also too obvious? Anna’s concern with Hamed was that he said this wasn’t his first rodeo and she questioned that he’d already changed his vote twice (albeit at what seemed like convenient times). Well, now knowing he was just a Townie who was seemingly…what, trying to apply pressure? Trying to go with the flow? This was a bigger concern to you than BB who you’d admitted was also acting suspiciously. Do recent events make you feel differently about BB now? charmander78 it looks like Hamed was just kind of doing exactly what you ended up doing. Which was seeing things he agreed with from another posting and following along with that vote. (First with his Lord vote then with his BB vote – in your case, you followed Anna’s logic and voted for Hamed). Why was that suspicious for you when you were essentially playing in the same way? If we’re doing this, then we’re doing this so let’s hear more from all those that rode the Hamed wagon. Two of them already have votes on them so Vote: Codex
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Post by Ginger Spice on Mar 21, 2020 1:26:56 GMT -5
Ginger Spice maybe it is the benefit of hindsight speaking here but you didn’t find it suspect how Hamed laid down something of a hammer vote on Lord? I only ask that because you mention you didn’t find him ‘remotely suspicious’, which is…strong. Yeah, that must've been hindsight because I didn't even remember that by the time I was writing up my post. The Lord lynchwagon happened so fast within the first few pages, which I guess I didn't really get into in my post, but it was suspect on all counts. walt91, who I failed to mention in my post, voted for Lord right after Codex voted for Lord "for starting a lynchwagon," which, either incidentally or strategically, actually started the lynchwagon on Lord.
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Post by charmander78 on Mar 21, 2020 2:57:10 GMT -5
Albie What made me suspicious of Hamed is the combination of his Lord vote and then switching to BB. His Lord vote was wagoning (though in hindsight, I should've paid more attention to "let's have some fun", would someone who is mafia say this?) but thought of it more as he was trying to potentially get an easy kill. So that alone didn't make me sus quite yet, but then him switching to BB fairly quickly because that was getting momentum and the lord wagon was dying off, and him having a "hunch" (this made me sus as I didn't think it was a good reason) , so as I said before, this flip floppiness and fishy reasons for his votes were what made me sus of Hamed. So how my voting for Hamed is different from Hamed's voting for BB is I didn't flip flop. Not saying the actual switching of votes is suspicious because plenty of people have done that, but the way Hamed conducted their voting made it seem that way. I was delaying my voting because I didn't want to do that, and want to be more sure of my vote. Perhaps I was overly cautious, I just wanted more information before I made a decision. So yes, while it may seem like me voting for Hamed is similar to Hamed voting for BB because I was following other people, it's differs in that Hamed just flopped over on the BB train, I was being cautious but came to my own conclusion that Hamed was the most suspicious. Yes I know, I was agreeing with anna, I just felt rushed in trying to make a vote then. But rather than simply agreeing, I did come to the conclusion based on what I personally observed. Sorry it's late and won't get to another analysis on everybody so far. But now knowing that Hamed is town, makes us able to analyze the BB/Codex thing a little more. Now I don't think Codex and BB are both mafia, as it wouldn't be wise to tell your mafia partner to save themselves and target a townie, knownst them, because it would make it too obvious. And Codex/Hamed both being mafia doesn't make sense either. Now all three could be townies, as Codex said they wanted BB to be safe over Hamed because he's new and didn't want him to be the first out. This would make a lot of sense for him to say that if they were both mafia, but as I mentioned, too risky of them to do that. But if they're all town? Yeah Codex could still want to save BB because he honestly wants to give him a chance. Not an implausibility, but I think it's suspicious to. Unless Codex was 100% certain BB was town, I don't think I'd risk saving him. So what if one is mafia and one is town? If BB is mafia, Codex is town, I think BB would've changed their vote sooner. It's hard to say how often BB checks as he didn't really give any defense after the last update or update #7, with still 21 hours which was still a bit of time and had 4 votes at the time. I would think BB would try to defend a little bit more, instead of not posting until the very last minute to Hamed. So I think BB just didn't know what to do. But BB = town, Codex = mafia? BB hasn't been making any defense claims. This scenario could potentially happen as Codex could rather have a newer player in the game, who's not sure what to do, and they can potentially manipulate more easily (as seen with the vote). Though Codex wasn't giving much information until they told BB they can get out Hamed, so a little tough to assess. But if Codex is mafia, they would know that Hamed is town as well. And Codex did tell BB within an hour before the lynch to change their vote, it just being so close to the deadline just doesn't sit right with me still. Maybe this is an overanalyzation. BB🌕 I would like to hear your thoughts, on why you waited to change your vote. But I have my concerns and suspicions on Codex for the reasons above. vote Codex-19
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Post by Web on Mar 21, 2020 9:18:07 GMT -5
so i'll preface this by saying one of my bad habits in these games is to sometimes find a tunnel and run down it for a while, but something about the spotlight suddenly shifting towards Codex from players like Albie and Ginger Spice seems slightly suspicious to me. Codex is a pretty solid player, so he had to know that trying to move the lynch around near the end of the day would be something town would take notice of. Mafia players are more conscious of the spotlight being on them whereas town players (or at least experienced town players) don't have that same worry since their goal should be to find the scum rather than trying to protect themselves. Doubly so in this game with no hidden power roles where a cop/doc town player would want to be careful about falling into danger. Just seems like an unnecessary risk for maf!Codex to take unless they were both mafia, which I'm not even sure would have been worth the risk anyway because it inevitably led to this situation where he'd be getting heat. Web how are you feeling about BB now that Hamed flipped Town? For the record, I found BB to be acting more defensive than Hamed. But you previously stated you felt the opposite. For everyone: some of us were taking an interest in the BB, Codex thing. I’m not 100% sure there’s a connection there necessarily but I am wondering if Scumdex is playing the helpful town role? Especially as its so easy to do with all the newbies? Web and Devil Marlena Nylund ? You’d had some thoughts on this prior to the lynch. Where do you stand now? BB hasn't posted on D2 yet but I think the town arrived at a pairing of town players for their lynch options on D1, which is unfortunately not that uncommon. I'm curious to see BB🌕 's thoughts now that we have more information and where their new suspicious stand though. I'd say my feelings on BB are largely unchanged at this point though. if Codex is mafia he's probably pretty stoked at the defense I'm putting in for him rn but I think this shift to put him under the microscope seems too easy at this moment in the game, especially when he already posted explaining why it happened. There are so many players sitting on the periphery of the game rn that aren't helping us with much, even if it's just being afraid you're going to say the wrong thing it's important to speak up and offer something, because otherwise we're running on less information. Lordef†ones walt91 Exclusive Mayman we need all of you offering your thoughts in the thread. Typing a separate post with my thoughts on other players rn...
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Post by walt91 on Mar 21, 2020 9:39:06 GMT -5
hmmm. Mayman & Lordef†ones I’d like to hear a little more from you, I don’t have much to work with at the moment there, and this silence seems a a tad suspicious to me tbh. Regarding BB, I feel like some of his “suspicious” behavior could be attributed to him being new, but you never know. I am curious to know a little more regarding the Hamed vote situation though.
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Post by Web on Mar 21, 2020 9:45:09 GMT -5
ok so more general thoughts on a few players I haven't really talked about much this game and where I stand: snarks has been giving me pretty strong town vibes the entire game, he's had a few posts [#114, #215/216] where his thought processes have been detailed and pretty transparent which makes me feel more confident in him being a new town player trying to figure the game out, he also seems to be honest and self-reflective where his own logical gaps are instead of throwing out a bunch of vague accusations. Tanooki is playing this laid-back, semi-half-hearted, slightly sarcastic kind of game where she's not really using anything to back up her votes other than the back and forth with Mayman. It kind of matches her personality so it's why I'm not particularly leaning scum at the moment but she definitely needs to widen her focus to more of the field because it's a pretty easy ride to just sit with one read/vote the entire day phase. anna's post timing right as the day phase switched over isn't great but is also giving me major deja vu to I think the first game I played here where she said she was always "coming back with more analysis" and kept delaying it through entire day phases because she "was busy"...and then ended flipping town. That doesn't clear her of looking bad because of her play this game but it's sticking out in my mind when looking through her posts. Mayman is player who kind of slipped under my radar so far this game. Others have brought up this post but I honestly was going to vote for you before I saw that you voted for me. I just don't know enough about you yet. But for me, you are the most sus as of now. there was a ~50 minute gap between Tanooki's vote and Mayman's vote back against him. That's too big of a margin of error to think Mayman was drafting a post and just couldn't get it in before Tanooki's. Before that Mayman hadn't said anything about Tanooki in the entire game but then suddenly finds Tanooki the most suspicious of all the players? This is a stretch but anytime I see " honestly" semi-awkwardly thrown into a post it reads as a player trying a little too hard to convince the town of something they don't really believe themselves. Here's the post with the vote in it: nvm im revoting now Vote: Maymansomething seems off about the way all of the discord newbies are visibly confused and unsure of what to do except him I'm not sure what Discord has to do with this. I haven't played before, I answered that already. I don't think I need to unnecessarily bring that up again unless there's an actual reason to. I honestly forgot that you were playing until you started posting just now. The fact that you only come discuss things when you are brought up is really sus for me. I'm not sure why you keep mentioning "mylo keeps throwing me into these"? What does that really have to do with it? For these reasons, Vote: TanookiThe part highlighted in red again seems defensive, Tanooki's suspicion isn't really that clear cut but he's already really taken aback by the vote on him. But the green highlight is the specific reason I'm throwing my vote his way. He "honestly forgot" Tanooki was playing until she started posting just now. But in the other post I quoted he was going to vote for her before she voted for him. And it's another statement he's being "honest" about. It seems like a pretty glaring contradiction of suspecting a player to the point of thinking they're the most suspicious in the game but also you didn't really remember they were playing the game. Does anyone have thoughts on this?Vote: Mayman
there are a lot of new players in this game, and with the split currently being 12 town players to 3 mafia players the field is basically wide open for one of the more experienced mafia players to take one small misstep by a new player and turn it into a lynch-worthy case. That combined with a bias towards trusting experience means I'm placing extra caution on reading the summaries of the people who have been through more than a few games (House, Albie, Max, Codex, Ginger Spice). Until we get more hard votes and cases placed against players, the mafia has a lot of room to move around and hide behind "i guess they were just new" as a defense. So please, everyone keep posting, asking questions, digging for leads.
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Post by Koochie on Mar 21, 2020 9:49:32 GMT -5
Profound. vote: anna. charmander’s analysis hasn’t sold me that he’s town, but it’s a step in the right direction I guess. Moving my vote to anna for reasons I’ve already stated and have been touched on in the thread. I kind of agree with Web’s point on Codex forming a little too easily, although I don’t think Ginger’s a factor here since they’re voting for BB. The only “scummy” thing he did is tag what most people voting for him agree is likely a town player so they wouldn’t get lynched so he would flip to the player most people thought was scum anyway. It resulted in a townie lynch, but unless we assume both Codex and BB are scum I don’t see why this is suspicious. 🤷🏼♂️ I can’t really connect the two either, so. I really don’t feel like Max has contributed shit, and he’s usually pretty vocal. He’s made a couple of moves to promote discussion, but he’s not usually this far in the background. I want to hear from him Devil Marlena Nylund
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Post by Koochie on Mar 21, 2020 9:49:49 GMT -5
The profound was at Walt for saying whatever that was
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Post by Mayman on Mar 21, 2020 10:02:24 GMT -5
My reasoning for saying I was going to vote for Tanooki even if he didn't vote for me was because as I was catching up, multiple people started questioning him and that's when he started to talk. I just thought it was a little suspicious that he only came out to talk at almost the exact moment he was brought up. Another thing that was suspicious for me was him continuing to bring up "Mylo keeps throwing me into these games" which was stated in replies #132 and #135. I just didn't understand what that had anything to do with the current conversation happening in the game.
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Post by Web on Mar 21, 2020 10:04:47 GMT -5
My reasoning for saying I was going to vote for Tanooki even if he didn't vote for me was because as I was catching up, multiple people started questioning him and that's when he started to talk. I just thought it was a little suspicious that he only came out to talk at almost the exact moment he was brought up. Another thing that was suspicious for me was him continuing to bring up "Mylo keeps throwing me into these games" which was stated in replies #132 and #135. I just didn't understand what that had anything to do with the current conversation happening in the game. do you still think she's the most suspicious player in the game now that we've lynched Hamed and he flipped town? Who else are you looking at as potential scum targets now?
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Post by Mayman on Mar 21, 2020 10:12:54 GMT -5
My reasoning for saying I was going to vote for Tanooki even if he didn't vote for me was because as I was catching up, multiple people started questioning him and that's when he started to talk. I just thought it was a little suspicious that he only came out to talk at almost the exact moment he was brought up. Another thing that was suspicious for me was him continuing to bring up "Mylo keeps throwing me into these games" which was stated in replies #132 and #135. I just didn't understand what that had anything to do with the current conversation happening in the game. do you still think she's the most suspicious player in the game now that we've lynched Hamed and he flipped town? Who else are you looking at as potential scum targets now? I don't think at this point right now that Tanooki is the most suspicious player anymore. The whole BB/Codex situation is so odd to me, I thank you and a few others for helping state a few points about that whole thing because it's made me think a lot more about that whole thing. I think I am mainly the most suspicious of BB right now because IIRC, he hasn't said anything since the Hamed vote, correct? That's the only thing that's making me more sus of him rather than Codex right now. Vote: BBI would like to hear from BB about what he has to say about this situation.
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Post by tanooki on Mar 21, 2020 10:15:20 GMT -5
Voting for Maymansis what made you want to vote for me other than inactivity? It's my first time playing, what makes you think I have some grand strategy beyond what I've clearly stated? I'm very confused by everyone who thinks that I'm suspicious due to when I say things, not what I say or why. I wanna know what exactly makes me suspicious that isn't my clumsy posting lmao Just curious, and I'm sorry if I missed this from the Day One posts, but do you have any suspicions other than Mayman? I'm still slightly suspicious on Lord but I don't have much to go off there
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Post by Lordef†ones on Mar 21, 2020 10:27:48 GMT -5
Well, damn. Took me an hour just to catch up on everything.
I have a few thoughts. Web has been considerably helpful for town so as it currently stands I believe him to be most likely town.
CODEX was present on both notable lunch wagons, starting the one on Lord with the first meaningful vote and hopping on the one on Hamed for also voting on the Lordwagon. Haven't seen much to convince me that this wasn't just looking for opportunities to get someone lynched.
Similar thoughts towards walt91 as well though not as strongly.
Gonna wrap this up quick cause I'm devoting too much time to this;
BB is playing the newbie card strongly for me to have a serious read on, as with Mick Perkins as he appeared to be overwhelmed so I don't have much to go on with Ginger Spice.
Charmander and Anna were the others to vote Hamed and while I'm not convinced Charmander is clear, Anna did defend me so as it currently stands I don't suspect her.
Exclusive I have nothing. Very good slipping under the radar here.
I FoS Albs but I can't find the post that made me suspect him right now and it's frustrating me so I'll clarify later (pro scumhunter right here)
There's a brief mishmash of thoughts. I'm gonna say Codex, Albs, and Exclusive are mafia. Alright see y'all tomorrow
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Post by Lordef†ones on Mar 21, 2020 10:29:52 GMT -5
And like five posts jumped me haha crazy. I'll throw this vote on just so I'm on somebody.
Vote: Codex
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Post by Web on Mar 21, 2020 10:43:09 GMT -5
But BB = town, Codex = mafia? BB hasn't been making any defense claims. This scenario could potentially happen as Codex could rather have a newer player in the game, who's not sure what to do, and they can potentially manipulate more easily (as seen with the vote). Though Codex wasn't giving much information until they told BB they can get out Hamed, so a little tough to assess. But if Codex is mafia, they would know that Hamed is town as well. And Codex did tell BB within an hour before the lynch to change their vote, it just being so close to the deadline just doesn't sit right with me still. Maybe this is an overanalyzation. BB🌕 I would like to hear your thoughts, on why you waited to change your vote. But I have my concerns and suspicions on Codex for the reasons above. vote Codex-19this logic doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Wouldn't a maf!Codex looking at a town!BB and town!Hamed as the lynch targets be happy with either getting lynched instead of taking a lot of extra heat? What advantage do you see for a maf!Codex wanting town!BB alive over town!Hamed?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 21, 2020 10:51:30 GMT -5
But now knowing that Hamed is town, makes us able to analyze the BB/Codex thing a little more. Now I don't think Codex and BB are both mafia, as it wouldn't be wise to tell your mafia partner to save themselves and target a townie, knownst them, because it would make it too obvious. And Codex/Hamed both being mafia doesn't make sense either. Now all three could be townies, as Codex said they wanted BB to be safe over Hamed because he's new and didn't want him to be the first out. This would make a lot of sense for him to say that if they were both mafia, but as I mentioned, too risky of them to do that. But if they're all town? Yeah Codex could still want to save BB because he honestly wants to give him a chance. Not an implausibility, but I think it's suspicious to. Unless Codex was 100% certain BB was town, I don't think I'd risk saving him. So what if one is mafia and one is town? If BB is mafia, Codex is town, I think BB would've changed their vote sooner. It's hard to say how often BB checks as he didn't really give any defense after the last update or update #7, with still 21 hours which was still a bit of time and had 4 votes at the time. I would think BB would try to defend a little bit more, instead of not posting until the very last minute to Hamed. So I think BB just didn't know what to do. But BB = town, Codex = mafia? BB hasn't been making any defense claims. This scenario could potentially happen as Codex could rather have a newer player in the game, who's not sure what to do, and they can potentially manipulate more easily (as seen with the vote). Though Codex wasn't giving much information until they told BB they can get out Hamed, so a little tough to assess. But if Codex is mafia, they would know that Hamed is town as well. And Codex did tell BB within an hour before the lynch to change their vote, it just being so close to the deadline just doesn't sit right with me still. The BB/Codex thing has been sitting with me whenever I gave thought to the game since the lynch. I've been doing the same analysis as this. I don't think both are mafia. The only way they could be is if BB hadn't been checking the mafia chat and codex got desperate. The only thing that would do for them is buy them half a day phase because now attention would be drawn to them and shortens their chances of winning. I just don't think that's likely. If BB is mafia/codex is town. This could be possible if BB just got lucky with timing and saw Codex essentially hand him a golden platter because now BB has someone who will get more focus as being suspicious. But if BB is new, he might need guidance on pulling this off. And as of the time of this post, he hasn't posted yet so this possibility is still on the table. If BB is scum and doesn't know what to do, he may lay low for as much as possible knowing the spotlight is on him. If codex is mafia/BB is town. Codex could be trying to make a scapegoat out of BB while also ensuring Hamed got lynched. But if BB is town, and Hamed ended up being town, why would Codex risk outing himself to save one town over another? This is where I keep getting stuck. But my mind has been moving back and forth to anna for a bit now. Ever since I saw this post: also if Lordeftones was actually mafia, you'd think the dude would go through the effort to post on here once or two. he's actually one of the people i feel most confident is a villager, i'd really prefer if we didn't waste our first lynch on him... Anna has little experience in mafia but her use of the word "villager" threw me off. It's probably nothing but it has been nagging at me. Tie that to her voting. She's been on my radar and I wish she would vote more. I'm going to vote: BB because in the above scenarios, BB has yet to offer any explanation on their last-minute vote for the Hamed lynch from someone they should have no reason to listen to. If BB is town, that level of carelessness hurt us so we need some explanation. This is a pressure vote.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 21, 2020 10:53:01 GMT -5
EDIT: I wish anna would 'post' more, not 'vote' more.
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Post by Koochie on Mar 21, 2020 11:28:08 GMT -5
BB voted for Hamed because if he hadn’t, he would’ve been lynched.
Lord and Tanooki are basing entirely too much of their reads on who is voting for them/who is suspicious of them. Newbie town read. Inclined to say the same of snarks too. Thank you Max for posting on cue.
I’m glad we’re all making strides to talk about the same thing (BB and Codex) but I feel like very few names are coming up. What do we make of walt and anna being generally absent unless absolutely necessary?
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Post by Albie on Mar 21, 2020 11:52:28 GMT -5
BB voted for Hamed because if he hadn’t, he would’ve been lynched. Lord and Tanooki are basing entirely too much of their reads on who is voting for them/who is suspicious of them. Newbie town read. Inclined to say the same of snarks too. Thank you Max for posting on cue. I’m glad we’re all making strides to talk about the same thing (BB and Codex) but I feel like very few names are coming up. What do we make of walt and anna being generally absent unless absolutely necessary? Catching up here but just fyi Lord is not a mafia newbie. I don't believe he's played on Pulse before but he has experience off-site.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 21, 2020 11:53:54 GMT -5
Thank you Max for posting on cue. Rude
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 21, 2020 12:01:26 GMT -5
I did make that realization yesterday and totally forgot about it so yes, BB voting Hamed was the only way it would save him. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s either town or scum but at least it explains his actions, but now makes codex‘s actions stand out more.
vote: codex
I still want to hear from BB.
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Post by Albie on Mar 21, 2020 12:22:48 GMT -5
We’ve talked about Codex/BB now at some length. But one more thing I’ll say that Ginger’s post here reminded me of is that the timing and plausibility of Codex tagging BB to question his vote just looks some type of way to me. Inadvertently or not, Codex has worked to make it clear to us that he’s not paying attention to the game here (not knowing how many mafia there are in the game) and here (not realizing the format or that there was a wiki), but then popped in to inform BB that he would be lynched if he didn’t change his vote. Why he felt so strongly that he wanted a Hamed lynch over a BB lynch just irks me. Especially when he clearly states here that he doesn’t have a strong opinion yet. BUT I will recognize that we had all but agreed we’d only be looking at those two options, since the deadline was approaching so there’s that. Also, I can’t get off of Anna being present enough to respond to the house’s questioning of her not 2 hours prior to deadline with a mere ‘yes’. Then coming back with an “I’m sorry, I was busy with other things” post right after the Hamed lynch. So, votes for Hamed: 1. Web 2. Anna 3. Charmander 4. Codex Web unvoted Hamed briefly and moved to Tanooki as a sort of pressure vote. He then voted for Hamed again bringing him back up to 4 votes.
5. BB (this vote, with nothing but the vote itself in the post content, comes in just 6 minutes after Codex tags BB) And then I’m gonna try to move off these 5 because there are a lot of us still in this game and mafia may just be cruising along while we all point fingers. So, of the 5 votes for Hamed, I imagine there must be at least one mafia vote in there. There has been some sort of suspicion so far on: Anna, Charmander, Codex and BB – Web is the only one that hasn’t really been pointed at. At the same time, that’s only 5 of the 15 remaining people in this game so Mafia may well be one of those other 10 people. the house brushed on this point earlier because, yeah, with plurality, mafia can maneuver more easily. Koochie in that same post that I just referenced, you mention we need to look into the Hamed lynch, so i'm hoping you have some thoughts to add to what i'm trying to decipher above. rainie I’m curious, as someone who initially had suspicions on Codex (granted you clarified that you misread things), where do you stand on him now? tanooki you and mayman have had this kind of back and forth thing going for a while now. You’ve stated that he was voting for you because you voted him first. You’re still tunneling on him now though. Let me not talk, as I can be the queen of tunnel vision at times, but just suggesting maybe tell us something about the 14 other players left. You did mention a slight suspicion of Lord still. Can you touch on that a bit more? Remember, you don't have to write a novel nor do you have to be 'right'. Just share your thoughts. Also, I’m gonna Unvote: Codex for now because the girls are coming in hot with the votes suddenly and I won’t say that I love that. Charmander, Lord and Max all have now voted for Codex after I did so that’s something to look at as he has become the first to 4 votes already. While my initial vote has yet to bring Codex out the woodwork like I was hoping, it did bring on some more thought and action on that from other folks. I don’t want to have my vote on no one though so Vote: Anna because she does seem to respond to being brought up so maybe she’ll have a bit more to share with us now.
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Post by Albie on Mar 21, 2020 12:25:22 GMT -5
hmmm. Mayman & Lordef†ones I’d like to hear a little more from you, I don’t have much to work with at the moment there, and this silence seems a a tad suspicious to me tbh. Regarding BB, I feel like some of his “suspicious” behavior could be attributed to him being new, but you never know. I am curious to know a little more regarding the Hamed vote situation though.What are you curious to know? I am too but just wondering what, if anything, stands out to you as questionable or something to look into?
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Post by Albie on Mar 21, 2020 12:27:37 GMT -5
Well, damn. Took me an hour just to catch up on everything. I have a few thoughts. Web has been considerably helpful for town so as it currently stands I believe him to be most likely town. CODEX was present on both notable lunch wagons, starting the one on Lord with the first meaningful vote and hopping on the one on Hamed for also voting on the Lordwagon. Haven't seen much to convince me that this wasn't just looking for opportunities to get someone lynched. Similar thoughts towards walt91 as well though not as strongly. Gonna wrap this up quick cause I'm devoting too much time to this; BB is playing the newbie card strongly for me to have a serious read on, as with Mick Perkins as he appeared to be overwhelmed so I don't have much to go on with Ginger Spice. Charmander and Anna were the others to vote Hamed and while I'm not convinced Charmander is clear, Anna did defend me so as it currently stands I don't suspect her. Exclusive I have nothing. Very good slipping under the radar here. I FoS Albs but I can't find the post that made me suspect him right now and it's frustrating me so I'll clarify later (pro scumhunter right here) There's a brief mishmash of thoughts. I'm gonna say Codex, Albs, and Exclusive are mafia. Alright see y'all tomorrow 4. Sailor Tanooki 5. Ginger Spice 6. .exclusive 7. charmander78 8. CODEX-19 9. Albs 10. Mayman 🍯 11. RÚZÃ NØLÆND!!!!!! 12. snarks 13. Web 14. anna 15. the house Lord what is your 1-3 here. I am not following what you're listing here. What am I missing?
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Post by walt91 on Mar 21, 2020 12:28:41 GMT -5
hmmm. Mayman & Lordef†ones I’d like to hear a little more from you, I don’t have much to work with at the moment there, and this silence seems a a tad suspicious to me tbh. Regarding BB, I feel like some of his “suspicious” behavior could be attributed to him being new, but you never know. I am curious to know a little more regarding the Hamed vote situation though.What are you curious to know? I am too but just wondering what, if anything, stands out to you as questionable or something to look into? In particular, the last minute voting shift to Hamed and lack of explanation for who he's voting for strikes me as noteworthy, but I'm personally thinking right now that it's related to inexperience
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Post by Albie on Mar 21, 2020 12:37:19 GMT -5
walt91 thanks for replying so quickly. It would be great if BB chimed in at some point too. Walt, what do you think about the rest of the players? Really, this is a question for a lot of the newbie/quieter folks. It's not a bad thing to state what you think about people. I wonder if some are afraid to say what they think might be the wrong thing. But the only wrong thing is to say nothing. Even if you don't feel like what you have to say is insightful, its still worth saying. Don't let those of us that talk a lot overtake the conversation because then its just our thoughts with no new thoughts, which isn't helpful. There also comes a point where the less you say, the more suspect you start to look. So, I'm hoping we hear quite a bit more from quite a lot of you.
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Post by Web on Mar 21, 2020 12:38:25 GMT -5
why are so many different people confused why BB voted Hamed...it seems pretty obvious lmao, is the "confusion" coming from an effort of trying to keep him as a viable lynch target for today?
i'm out rn but until BB comes back I don't think we're going to make headway on this situation so let's look elsewhere for a bit and explore other options, i'll dig in in a few hours
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Post by BB🌕 on Mar 21, 2020 12:40:58 GMT -5
I voted for Hamed because I didn’t want to get lynched. I don’t really know why Codex tagged me. I don’t think I’ve ever interacted with them before
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Post by Web on Mar 21, 2020 12:45:18 GMT -5
And then I’m gonna try to move off these 5 because there are a lot of us still in this game and mafia may just be cruising along while we all point fingers. So, of the 5 votes for Hamed, I imagine there must be at least one mafia vote in there. There has been some sort of suspicion so far on: Anna, Charmander, Codex and BB – Web is the only one that hasn’t really been pointed at. i'm not sure if I completely buy this bolded line of thinking either, I agree anna and charmander haven't looked fantastic at certain points in the game and BB is giving of newbie vibes but with only 3/16 players being mafia, there's also a pretty good chance that all of the mafia players saw town leading towards lynching two town players and just stayed away on unrelated, dead-end wagons. Max even pointed out the "wasted vote" potential out in one of his posts at the end of the day where he was panicking about time almost being up. ...this could perhaps be maf!Albie trying to build a pool of possible mislynches, I want to look in at his game a little closer later.
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