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Post by schnetzka on Jul 15, 2021 14:57:48 GMT -5
Assuming the divorce is the holdup about new music, what other artists couldn't release music because of their ongoing divorce/financial situation/whatever it may be? I guess maybe Adele but she takes a while to release music anyway. I was just wondering.
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Post by QAF on Jul 15, 2021 15:08:21 GMT -5
Assuming the divorce is the holdup about new music, what other artists couldn't release music because of their ongoing divorce/financial situation/whatever it may be? I guess maybe Adele but she takes a while to release music anyway. I was just wondering. Someone a few pages ago or so mentioned Natalie Maines' divorce kept the Chicks from releasing new music. Her divorce took two years to settle.
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Post by BDGeek on Jul 15, 2021 16:48:39 GMT -5
It seems so ridiculous and unfair that a divorce proceeding could derail that, because if it's not coming for another 1-2 years, will this material still be relevant? Will it be a second scrapped almost-album? Keep in mind this is the same woman who wrote "Because of You" at 16 and didn't get the opportunity to release it on an album until she was 22. If the material is undeniably good and represents a significant enough life event for her, I think we're getting these divorce songs regardless of whether it's this fall or next.
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 15, 2021 17:25:57 GMT -5
I think the lawsuit about management and unpaid management fees is the bigger issue here.
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Post by slowmo on Jul 15, 2021 19:30:37 GMT -5
It seems so ridiculous and unfair that a divorce proceeding could derail that, because if it's not coming for another 1-2 years, will this material still be relevant? Will it be a second scrapped almost-album? Keep in mind this is the same woman who wrote "Because of You" at 16 and didn't get the opportunity to release it on an album until she was 22. If the material is undeniably good and represents a significant enough life event for her, I think we're getting these divorce songs regardless of whether it's this fall or next. And if it's a look at the progression, erosion and aftermath of a relationship (I might be projecting that theme here), that chapter isn't close to being over for her yet.
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Post by someguy on Jul 16, 2021 2:21:38 GMT -5
I guess I still don't see the logic in why releasing a Christmas album is okay when she can't release a regular album. She'd still be making money off a Christmas album. Even if it was full of covers and she was receiving no writing credits, a Christmas album she releases is probably going to perform better than a "regular" album she releases. And if she's gonna go that route anyway, I'd still rather get some sort of Duets/covers album from her of Kellyokes or something I mentioned a few pages back. Wrapped in Red deserves to have a legacy, and a new Christmas album already might dilute that legacy as someone mentioned above. I'm totally down for a second Christmas album in a few years, but I do feel it's too soon. The only thing that I can think of as to why a Christmas album might be ok but a regular album might not be is because of the material. A Christmas album would most likely be covers/originals that have nothing to do with Brandon. A new album would most likely touch on things that have happened, and maybe he's looking for a publication ban/fighting her talking about their situation in public? Totally ridiculous if that's the case, but just an idea.
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musicfan134
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 16, 2021 10:52:27 GMT -5
I guess I still don't see the logic in why releasing a Christmas album is okay when she can't release a regular album. She'd still be making money off a Christmas album. Even if it was full of covers and she was receiving no writing credits, a Christmas album she releases is probably going to perform better than a "regular" album she releases. And if she's gonna go that route anyway, I'd still rather get some sort of Duets/covers album from her of Kellyokes or something I mentioned a few pages back. Wrapped in Red deserves to have a legacy, and a new Christmas album already might dilute that legacy as someone mentioned above. I'm totally down for a second Christmas album in a few years, but I do feel it's too soon. The only thing that I can think of as to why a Christmas album might be ok but a regular album might not be is because of the material. A Christmas album would most likely be covers/originals that have nothing to do with Brandon. A new album would most likely touch on things that have happened, and maybe he's looking for a publication ban/fighting her talking about their situation in public? Totally ridiculous if that's the case, but just an idea. I guess I'm thinking that even a Christmas album could be about Brandon too. Look at Wrapped in Red. That clearly has Brandon's influence all over it. Why couldn't he make the argument that this new Christmas album is about him as well? Even if it's literally all covers, an argument could be made.
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Post by franklin on Jul 16, 2021 12:11:10 GMT -5
I'm really not excited about another Christmas album, I really just don't see the point or the need. What I would REALLY prefer is an AIWFCIY sized push for Underneath the Tree. If we can't have a new album than push the fuck out the iconic Christmas classic we already have and love.
And if Brandon is the reason for the album delay.... I have no words. Why does he care? He's not in the public eye, no one knows who he is nor does anyone like/care about him. I don't get it. These are her personal feelings, does she not have the right to express herself? It makes no sense to me...
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Post by ourwarpaint on Jul 16, 2021 14:51:16 GMT -5
What “streets” exactly are saying we’re getting a Christmas album tho? I know the band referenced Christmas in July but couldn’t that just be a one off single like we have had in the past? ... but yeah, If we can’t have a regular album anytime soon I’ll happily take a Christmas album. Lol I hope it’s true. Yes, the band has been in the studio, as we know, and for a good amount of days at that, or so it seems. You can knock out one song in a day or a couple days, so that leads to speculation there that it is something more. There is also someone on the KCE who is claiming that they were told by someone working on the record that it’s happening
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 16, 2021 18:52:37 GMT -5
Circling back to the conversation about her cutting PBP for TTWLI...poor Already Gone. That song was a decently large hit for her and she just pays it dust. It's been like 12 years Kelly, can't you get over it? :(
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Post by beelzebub666 on Jul 16, 2021 19:32:10 GMT -5
I don't blame Kelly one bit for holding a grudge. She got completely screwed over at a point where she was having a really rough time in the industry.
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Post by ourwarpaint on Jul 16, 2021 19:34:57 GMT -5
According to this, she did perform Already Gone, but I'm not sure how the fan that posted this got this information. It seems likely she did perform it, though, because she had it in the setlist back in 2017 when they were doing all those private corporate show gigs pre-MOL. Edit: Apparently she did it in 2018. This must be what I was remembering. (Also, I'm really glad she's gone back to performing the studio version in recent years.) www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ob8hVp_SWU
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Post by slowmo on Jul 16, 2021 19:40:45 GMT -5
Circling back to the conversation about her cutting PBP for TTWLI...poor Already Gone. That song was a decently large hit for her and she just pays it dust. It's been like 12 years Kelly, can't you get over it? :( This seems to come up all the time, but this song is always included in her "greatest hits" setlists that she plays at these private shows and other general shows where a gh setlist plays best.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 16, 2021 22:40:05 GMT -5
Circling back to the conversation about her cutting PBP for TTWLI...poor Already Gone. That song was a decently large hit for her and she just pays it dust. It's been like 12 years Kelly, can't you get over it? :( This seems to come up all the time, but this song is always included in her "greatest hits" setlists that she plays at these private shows and other general shows where a gh setlist plays best. Well, hopefully on her next tour (whenever that may be) she performs AG. It definitely deserves a regular place in her setlist. It was a bigger hit than MKIA, CMB, PBP, or anything off MOL.
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Post by pnobelysk on Jul 17, 2021 10:58:17 GMT -5
This seems to come up all the time, but this song is always included in her "greatest hits" setlists that she plays at these private shows and other general shows where a gh setlist plays best. Well, hopefully on her next tour (whenever that may be) she performs AG. It definitely deserves a regular place in her setlist. It was a bigger hit than MKIA, CMB, PBP, or anything off MOL. MKIA actually outsold already gone and while it didn’t get as high on pop radio, I’d say it’s country radio success makes up for it. I agree with all the others
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 17, 2021 11:04:20 GMT -5
Already Gone is TOP TIER and is imo a top 5 Kelly song. And she wrote it!
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Post by jonwhritenour on Jul 17, 2021 14:05:42 GMT -5
TBH I think Kelly just finds Already Gone kind of boring to sing and I don't really blame her. I'm not so sure it has as much to do with the politics of the song.
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Post by ourwarpaint on Jul 19, 2021 8:29:50 GMT -5
I agree that Already Gone is definitely one of her best songs. It’s top 3 for me at the very least, and I’m glad that Corey on her Voice team last season sang it and at least brought it back to her memory because we all know she really doesn’t think of her music like that.
I would love for her to bring Never Again back in to the setlist too, especially given all the context and meaning she would bring to it now in her delivery.
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Post by QAF on Jul 19, 2021 10:18:09 GMT -5
Why is her divorce taking so long to finalize? It's ridiculous. It's like what's the point of getting a prenup? I was listening to PBP on my walk this morning and thought how ironic the lyric "he never asks for money" now is.
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Post by ourwarpaint on Jul 19, 2021 10:26:18 GMT -5
In the docs she recently filed to petition the judge for being declared legally single, she alluded to Brandon dragging things out. Also, I don’t think they can move forward with the divorce proceedings, at least as far as the financial side of things goes, until the lawsuits with her and Starstruck are settled.
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Post by switch on Jul 19, 2021 10:44:43 GMT -5
In the docs she recently filed to petition the judge for being declared legally single, she alluded to Brandon dragging things out. Also, I don’t think they can move forward with the divorce proceedings, at least as far as the financial side of things goes, until the lawsuits with her and Starstruck are settled. Do you have a link to the court documents?
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Post by ourwarpaint on Jul 19, 2021 11:00:41 GMT -5
In the docs she recently filed to petition the judge for being declared legally single, she alluded to Brandon dragging things out. Also, I don’t think they can move forward with the divorce proceedings, at least as far as the financial side of things goes, until the lawsuits with her and Starstruck are settled. Do you have a link to the court documents? I don’t, but this is where that information was reported on. Excerpt: www.today.com/popculture/kelly-clarkson-asks-judge-sign-her-divorce-t224660
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 19, 2021 14:46:22 GMT -5
TBH I think Kelly just finds Already Gone kind of boring to sing and I don't really blame her. I'm not so sure it has as much to do with the politics of the song. What makes you say that? I was listening to PBP on my walk this morning and thought how ironic the lyric "he never asks for money" now is. Aww. Reminds me of Shania's "You're Still the One" being about her ex.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 14:57:23 GMT -5
Agreed on Already Gone, definitely one of my top 3 Kelly songs alone with Breakaway and Behind These Hazel Eyes. Though listening back now I wish they'd removed some of the vocal effects and had a more raw sound, I prefer her live performances of it.
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Jul 19, 2021 15:55:42 GMT -5
Already Gone is probably my top 2-5 songs of hers (depending on the mood), and #1 ballad overall. Still to this day scratching my head wondering why we had that video that cut out the main chorus, which was the climax of the song for me personally.
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Post by ourwarpaint on Jul 19, 2021 17:28:02 GMT -5
Already Gone is probably my top 2-5 songs of hers (depending on the mood), and #1 ballad overall. Still to this day scratching my head wondering why we had that video that cut out the main chorus, which was the climax of the song for me personally. I think because they just went with the radio edit, plus RCA cut so many of the original things Kelly/Joseph planned for that video.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 19, 2021 22:12:05 GMT -5
I can't help but wonder how different things would be if Already Gone had been on Stronger instead of AIEW. Imagine it being released in place of Dark Side, right after the success of Stronger. At that point, RCA was a lot more hands off with her, so she would've had a lot more control, and I would imagine the production wouldn't have sounded so Halo-esque. I don't know if it would have done much better necessarily, but I do feel she'd like the song a lot more. She just seems to really dislike the AIEW album, between MLWSWY and AG.
Come to think of it, she seems to dislike a lot of her own songs...MLWSWY she dislikes because of Dr. Luke (which I would imagine that dislike extends at least somewhat to SUBG and BTHE), AG (the Ryan Tedder stuff), AMLT (the Idol connection), Breakaway (she says it's boring to sing, but I wonder if Avril Lavigne has something to do with it), and now PBP because of Brandon.
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 20, 2021 13:02:57 GMT -5
I feel like Kelly gets very triggered by a lot of her songs, since she's very emotional when she's performing. I don't blame her for that, since we all have our triggers, but I also wish it weren't the case since the studio version of Already Gone live at Radio City nearly destroyed me on the Stronger tour in 2011.
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Post by BDGeek on Jul 20, 2021 14:39:28 GMT -5
Speaking of All I Ever Wanted, I revisited the album today and forgot what a gem "Impossible" is. Excellent, underrated vocal from her. Still a top-notch pop album overall.
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 20, 2021 15:11:53 GMT -5
Speaking of All I Ever Wanted, I revisited the album today and forgot what a gem "Impossible" is. Excellent, underrated vocal from her. Still a top-notch pop album overall. It is truly everything. And it only contains 1 skip. A pop masterpiece.
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