Billboard Hot 100: 05/16/2020

[kimberly]

May 3, 2020 15:11:38 GMT -5 Lukas said:

I think there are more pop songs on the Billboard Hot 100 than rap songs which I'm sure is what they were referring to. Not everything needs to be done in relation to the top 10.

I think this is the article they are referring to, and it is looking solely at the top ten:

POP TOPS HIP-HOP: THE STATE OF THE HOT 100'S TOP 10 IN 2020
www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9370112/state-of-hot-100-top-10-q1-2020-hit-songs-deconstructed

[starlord]

Yes, finally after 6 months of visiting this forum daily. My first post. Savage Remix for num 1. Let's go!!

[arg991]

May 3, 2020 13:01:27 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

May 3, 2020 12:56:23 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Nicki will never get a #1 and you hate to see it(or not) she done collaborated with half the industry. She can collaborate with a dog and still not hit #1.

The Barbs will have you believe that it’s “easier to score number ones as a Rapper in the Streaming era than in the Digital era” and yet...

She still hasn’t scored a number one yet multiple Rappers have. 💀

As a matter of fact, aside from “Anaconda”, none of the singles she’s released post-2014 have outstreamed any of Cardi B’s number one hits in a single week at their peak so there really is no excuse.

If remixing a song that is ALREADY in the top five of the Hot 100 still can’t score you a #1 then it’s never happening. Clearly!

Let’s not pretend had streaming been taken into account that Nicki would’ve have a number one if not about three or four. Starships, Super Bass, TTWE remix, Anaconda. And it’s not like it’s not easy to go number one if you’re a streaming beast or a song goes viral. I would’ve never thought post Malone would have four no. 1 singles but look where we are. Ariana had the same problem only difference is her target audience grew with her as she was just hitting her peak.

[mikeymonster]

Drake songs had a pretty big drop on Spotify today. I think "Pain 1993" will be the only one debuting top 10 this week

[iHype.]

May 3, 2020 15:36:20 GMT -5 arg991 said:

May 3, 2020 13:01:27 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

The Barbs will have you believe that it’s “easier to score number ones as a Rapper in the Streaming era than in the Digital era” and yet...

She still hasn’t scored a number one yet multiple Rappers have. 💀

As a matter of fact, aside from “Anaconda”, none of the singles she’s released post-2014 have outstreamed any of Cardi B’s number one hits in a single week at their peak so there really is no excuse.

If remixing a song that is ALREADY in the top five of the Hot 100 still can’t score you a #1 then it’s never happening. Clearly!

Let’s not pretend had streaming been taken into account that Nicki would’ve have a number one if not about three or four. Starships, Super Bass, TTWE remix, Anaconda. And it’s not like it’s not easy to go number one if you’re a streaming beast or a song goes viral. I would’ve never thought post Malone would have four no. 1 singles but look where we are. Ariana had the same problem only difference is her target audience grew with her as she was just hitting her peak.

Streaming was taken into account with Anaconda lol.


And as for the other songs:
- Till the Worlds Ends, no. It was below E.T. & Rolling in the Deep on Hot 100, and I'm sure '21' era Adele & 'Teenage Dream' era Katy were bigger streamers than 'Femme Fatale' Britney in 2011.
- 'Super Bass', unlikely. 'Party Rock Anthem' was the #1 song, and that was just a humongous smash in every form.
- 'Starships' was when audio streaming was already included, and I doubt it would've been massive enough in video streaming to beat songs ahead like 'We Are Young' and 'Somebody That I Used to Know'. 


I will say Nicki missed out on some top 10s during her career. Songs like Stupid Hoe (broke VEVO record), Beez in the Trap (was in the top 10 US streamed videos of 2012 actually), Moment 4 Life (Drake feature and already top 15 pre-streaming) could've went top 10 in a scenario with streaming fully included. But I mean you can argue most of the huge stars of early 2010s could've gotten a few more top 10s in circumstances with streaming.

[korbel16]

The same could be said about drake and several other artists popular in the early 2010’s. He probably would of had 20 number 1’s, 100 top 10’s and 800 chart entries by now (I’m exaggerating of course lol)

[phieaglesfan712]

May 3, 2020 14:32:45 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

May 3, 2020 13:19:46 GMT -5 Lukas said:

this would be a perfect top 2.

No, I would be more pissed if Say So was #2, when I knew it could have gone #1 with an iTunes discount. If it doesn't go #1, I'd much rather it be #3.

[kierz7]

May 3, 2020 15:36:20 GMT -5 arg991 said:

May 3, 2020 13:01:27 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

The Barbs will have you believe that it’s “easier to score number ones as a Rapper in the Streaming era than in the Digital era” and yet...

She still hasn’t scored a number one yet multiple Rappers have. 💀

As a matter of fact, aside from “Anaconda”, none of the singles she’s released post-2014 have outstreamed any of Cardi B’s number one hits in a single week at their peak so there really is no excuse.

If remixing a song that is ALREADY in the top five of the Hot 100 still can’t score you a #1 then it’s never happening. Clearly!

Let’s not pretend had streaming been taken into account that Nicki would’ve have a number one if not about three or four. Starships, Super Bass, TTWE remix, Anaconda. And it’s not like it’s not easy to go number one if you’re a streaming beast or a song goes viral. I would’ve never thought post Malone would have four no. 1 singles but look where we are. Ariana had the same problem only difference is her target audience grew with her as she was just hitting her peak.

Well, “Anaconda” was released when streaming was included in the Hot 100 formula, and that song was still never going number one against “Shake It Off” even with huge streams.

Shake It Off.

•Sales: 540K
•Airplay: 71M
•Streaming: 18.4M

Anaconda.

•Sales: 123K
•Airplay: 25M
•Streaming: 36.4M

Other songs ala. “Superbass, Starships, TTWE” were blocked by songs that were much bigger and even if they had zero streams, I think their sales and airplay would’ve definitely made up the difference.

Songs of hers that could’ve gone to number one with Streaming is “Monster” and perhaps “Turn Me On”. The latter peaked at #4 behind “Set Fire To The Rain, We Found Love & Good Feeling” but was the number one Digital song that week though it lacked airplay.

The big, viral, Hip-Hop hits that TRULY could’ve gone number one with Streaming in the early ‘10’s:

“Take Care, Ni**as In Paris, Otis, How To Love, All Of The Lights, Started From The Bottom, The Motto, F*kin’ Problems, I’m On One, She Will” etc. and a few others.

[degen]

May 3, 2020 15:43:40 GMT -5 iHype. said:

May 3, 2020 15:36:20 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Let’s not pretend had streaming been taken into account that Nicki would’ve have a number one if not about three or four. Starships, Super Bass, TTWE remix, Anaconda. And it’s not like it’s not easy to go number one if you’re a streaming beast or a song goes viral. I would’ve never thought post Malone would have four no. 1 singles but look where we are. Ariana had the same problem only difference is her target audience grew with her as she was just hitting her peak.

Streaming was taken into account with Anaconda lol.


And as for the other songs:
- Till the Worlds Ends, no. It was below E.T. & Rolling in the Deep on Hot 100, and I'm sure '21' era Adele & 'Teenage Dream' era Katy were bigger streamers than 'Femme Fatale' Britney in 2011.
- 'Super Bass', unlikely. 'Party Rock Anthem' was the #1 song, and that was just a humongous smash in every form.
- 'Starships' was when audio streaming was already included, and I doubt it would've been massive enough in video streaming to beat songs ahead like 'We Are Young' and 'Somebody That I Used to Know'. 


I will say Nicki missed out on some top 10s during her career. Songs like Stupid Hoe (broke VEVO record), Beez in the Trap (was in the top 10 US streamed videos of 2012 actually), Moment 4 Life (Drake feature and already top 15 pre-streaming) could've went top 10 in a scenario with streaming fully included. But I mean you can argue most of the huge stars of early 2010s could've gotten a few more top 10s in circumstances with streaming.

There’s really no telling though. For example had she dropped the “Anaconda” video the same day the song was released, which is a pretty standard tactic post 2016 to score a #1 hit, I think Anaconda would be debut at #1.

Also, the same thing with “Bang Bang,” another music video that was released later in the songs chart life, but I feel like could’ve debut at #1 had they aligned everything. Nick was everywhere in the Summer or 2014.

[kimberly]

May 3, 2020 15:43:40 GMT -5 iHype. said:

May 3, 2020 15:36:20 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Let’s not pretend had streaming been taken into account that Nicki would’ve have a number one if not about three or four. Starships, Super Bass, TTWE remix, Anaconda. And it’s not like it’s not easy to go number one if you’re a streaming beast or a song goes viral. I would’ve never thought post Malone would have four no. 1 singles but look where we are. Ariana had the same problem only difference is her target audience grew with her as she was just hitting her peak.

Streaming was taken into account with Anaconda lol.

And as for the other songs:
- Till the Worlds Ends, no. It was below E.T. & Rolling in the Deep on Hot 100, and I'm sure '21' era Adele & 'Teenage Dream' era Katy were bigger streamers than 'Femme Fatale' Britney in 2011.
- 'Super Bass', unlikely. 'Party Rock Anthem' was the #1 song, and that was just a humongous smash in every form.
- 'Starships' was when audio streaming was already included, and I doubt it would've been massive enough in video streaming to beat songs ahead like 'We Are Young' and 'Somebody That I Used to Know'. 

I will say Nicki missed out on some top 10s during her career. Songs like Stupid Hoe (broke VEVO record), Beez in the Trap (was in the top 10 US streamed videos of 2012 actually), Moment 4 Life (Drake feature and already top 15 pre-streaming) could've went top 10 in a scenario with streaming fully included. But I mean you can argue most of the huge stars of early 2010s could've gotten a few more top 10s in circumstances with streaming.

Yup, I agree with everything you said. I think what fans are trying to say is that had this current "streaming era" of music (which many would consider began in the second half of 2010's) begun sooner, songs like "Moment 4 Life" and "Starships" would have been more successful because of how things work nowadays with promo, memes, TikTok and so on. But this is all "what if"s and not really any concrete arguments. ("Anaconda" is a special case -- it was never going to snatch a #1 debut from under the year's biggest global popstar, Taylor. However, it did break the 24-hour Vevo record and all but one record-breaking songs moving forward ended up hitting #1, as well as the record-holder before Nicki, so there's a case to be made for it. The song that missed it? Funnily enough, "ME!" by Taylor Swift, the current record-holder.)

[Deleted]

not sure how close bedrock was, but Super Bass is the closest Nicki's ever got to #1 (63 points behind Party Rock Anthem at its peak)

[Xander]

So are Nicki and Beyoncé going to be credited on radio ?

[Mayman]

May 3, 2020 18:01:33 GMT -5 Xander said:

So are Nicki and Beyoncé going to be credited on radio ?

Beyonce is credited on Mediabase for Savage, while Nicki is not credited for Say So.

[kcdawg13]

I have to laugh at the #SaySoToNumber1 on Twitter, I guess it's a noble effort for Barbs to push Nicki to #1 but it's just not gonna happen since there's two huge obstacles in the way called Beyonce and Drake. Also Blinding Lights is still doing well. Even if Say So eventually gets to #1 down the line, Nicki definitely won't be credited on it. It'll likely be radio that pushes it over the top.

[Crimsonio]

May 3, 2020 18:10:24 GMT -5 Mayman said:

May 3, 2020 18:01:33 GMT -5 Xander said:

So are Nicki and Beyoncé going to be credited on radio ?

Beyonce is credited on Mediabase for Savage, while Nicki is not credited for Say So.

The Barbz meltdowns from this are going to be hilarious, Nicki can never win.

[Myth X]

I want both Say So (solo) and Savage (Remix) to reach #1

[tuna]

As much as I find her interesting let’s be real she hasn’t had a good feature since 2010

[annoymous1]

Her last good feature was Monster.

[Deleted]

Not a fan of her music generally, but she sort of did save FEFE tbf

[wrip]

^ ngl i used to jam to fefe, especially nickis part haha

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

May 3, 2020 20:22:39 GMT -5 tuna said:

As much as I find her interesting let’s be real she hasn’t had a good feature since 2010

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

May 3, 2020 20:51:11 GMT -5 wrip said:

^ ngl i used to jam to fefe, especially nickis part haha

Yeeeeah “Fefe” is kinda a banger, I can’t lie

6ix9ine is gross but I couldn’t deny myself that song, nicki’s verse is addictive
Also - Drake is probably breaking Madonna’s record this week, huh?

[annoymous1]

technically Drake already tied madonna if Sicko Mode was credited but since he isn't credited he has yet to tie until this week and even break it.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

May 3, 2020 21:29:00 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

technically Drake already tied madonna if Sicko Mode was credited but since he isn't credited he has yet to tie until this week and might even break it.

how is drake still not credited on sicko mode...that’s just dumb

If Travis Scott’s team reached out, could they get billboard to retroactively credit drake, or would that be against its rules?

[Gary]

Since the popular opinion in this thread is to credit Drake for the song then do it. Who cares if Billboard or some other source doesn't. Those lists are generated for fans anyway so nothing wrong with fans generating their own lists.

[kimberly]

May 3, 2020 21:31:14 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

May 3, 2020 21:29:00 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

technically Drake already tied madonna if Sicko Mode was credited but since he isn't credited he has yet to tie until this week and might even break it.

how is drake still not credited on sicko mode...that’s just dumb

If Travis Scott’s team reached out, could they get billboard to retroactively credit drake, or would that be against its rules?

Drake is still not credited on the song so I don't know why anyone would reach out to Billboard just so he can have an asterisk next to his record saying "it includes SICKO MODE." Drake is breaking that record with or without that song. Really wouldn't change anything.

to Gary's point, I don't know if anyone wants to go through every uncredited contribution to a song ever to compile a new list. If you do, go for it. I'm sure it'll be more widely-acknowledged and popular than Billflop. 

[spoons]

I think the backlash on Carti is really hurting the mixtape, that was the most hyped single off of it.

[m450n]

This thread really turned into "let's bash Nicki." and I am NOT here for it.

[tanooki]

May 3, 2020 22:31:54 GMT -5 spoons said:

I think the backlash on Carti is really hurting the mixtape, that was the most hyped single off of it.

Disappointment over one song isn't hurting the whole mixtape, I assume people just didn't like it as much. I've been saying Drake is gonna decline in popularity, Scorpion will be his commercial peak yadayadayada

[dremolus - solarpunk]