Zeebz
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Post by Zeebz on Jun 26, 2020 8:09:11 GMT -5
Echoing Bray’s sentiment that I am so thrilled to be able to wake up and not have to worry about this damn game
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Jun 26, 2020 8:39:42 GMT -5
Congrats Enya! Really enjoyed when we did get to play together. Wish we could have worked together more.
There were certain people i really wanted to work with going into this game. Leo was one of them as was Austin, Stacey, bigfan, and Zeebz. I risked my game to keep Leo and then got screwed by Zeebz lol. Never was on the same tribe with Austin, of course.
Brayden, you did get my vote in the end, I enjoyed working with you and getting to know you. Another person I wish I could have worked with more
Still I had fun, probably will never play again, trying to do the schedule like the show with something everyday is too stressful and I had a lot going on so I wasn't as focused as I would have liked to be.
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austin
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Post by austin on Jun 26, 2020 8:56:25 GMT -5
I honestly had more fun this season than my winning one. I was way bolder, which helped, but you guys were also all amazing caliber players. It made each round really tough to navigate.
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Spidey
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Post by Spidey on Jun 26, 2020 9:03:32 GMT -5
Spidey can we get an update on days played? Thanks!! I will update the most days played and reveal the voting history when I get a chance this weekend!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 26, 2020 9:36:36 GMT -5
Also can't wait for cynthia's scathing review!
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Leo ✔
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Post by Leo ✔ on Jun 26, 2020 10:31:14 GMT -5
On Cynthia's scale can wait to get a 0!
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bigfan101
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Post by bigfan101 on Jun 26, 2020 10:36:05 GMT -5
Spidey can we get an update on days played? Thanks!! I will update the most days played and reveal the voting history when I get a chance this weekend! Thank you Spidey! And Cynthia for a great Green Room!!
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Spidey
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Post by Spidey on Jun 26, 2020 12:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by anthony11554 on Jun 26, 2020 12:35:13 GMT -5
not in the bottom 15 lets go
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:54:56 GMT -5
Why THE DID you vote MYLO 😡 Because I couldn’t sway zebra or brayden and I didn’t want to vote Enya because it felt wrong at that point - but voting Ry4n would have drawn attention to myself and made me a more likely target, but I figured if I just threw out a random vote anywhere, it might throw the numbers off and make the other side a little paranoid. This was all assuming the votes would have either been for Ry4n (you and enya) and enya (everyone else). Had I known what your secret power was, it might have given me a bit of hope but I didn’t, so I figured there was no hope so I just wanted to f**k things up a little bit. Of course, had Mylo voted in the first place, you would have used your power, Ry4n would be out, I’d still be there and apparently zebra’s game would be f**ked? Idk. I understand lol Ok one final question. - why didn’t you take the better advantage? Who cares about revealing the votes you could have sat someone out of the immunity challenge, instead Ryan got that power.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 26, 2020 12:55:01 GMT -5
I’m that high? Wow. I feel like I’ve barely played.
Everyone: you did barely play
Me: 😔
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 26, 2020 13:00:13 GMT -5
Because I couldn’t sway zebra or brayden and I didn’t want to vote Enya because it felt wrong at that point - but voting Ry4n would have drawn attention to myself and made me a more likely target, but I figured if I just threw out a random vote anywhere, it might throw the numbers off and make the other side a little paranoid. This was all assuming the votes would have either been for Ry4n (you and enya) and enya (everyone else). Had I known what your secret power was, it might have given me a bit of hope but I didn’t, so I figured there was no hope so I just wanted to f**k things up a little bit. Of course, had Mylo voted in the first place, you would have used your power, Ry4n would be out, I’d still be there and apparently zebra’s game would be f**ked? Idk. I understand lol Ok one final question. - why didn’t you take the better advantage? Who cares about revealing the votes you could have sat someone out of the immunity challenge, instead Ryan got that power. I think at the time I saw the sit someone out reward as something that would have drawn too much attention to me if I were to use it. At that point, you and enya were the top targets (from my perspective) yet I think I was already talking to both of you so if I used that reward and didn’t use it on you, it would have looked suspicious on me. I would have wanted to use it on Ry4n or Mylo but as far as I knew at that point, they didn’t necessarily see me as gunning for them - and considering my own performance in the challenges, making one person sit out wasn’t foolproof so to me that wasn’t worth the risk. I found the vote revealer more useful for me because I knew votes weren’t going the way I was being told they would. I just wasn’t sure if the reveals would have been public (I would have wanted them too) or just to me. If votes were made public, things would be forced out in the open. I think I tend to prefer people being their own downfall rather than me directly bringing them down I guess lol
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Enyasurvivor
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Jun 26, 2020 18:09:18 GMT -5
So I actually just found my notes from pre-season on everyone except the last 4 announced. I might type them up just for funsies and see if anything actually panned out
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Enyasurvivor
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"We're not meant to be perfect. It took me a long time to learn that."
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Post by Enyasurvivor on Jun 26, 2020 18:31:16 GMT -5
mcsteamy - worked well in every season we’ve been on. YES! Max - nice guy but never worked with him. Dangerous Leo - worked against him in Raja Ampat. Didn’t seem very strong. Anna - never worked with her but great at laying in the weeds. Keep an eye on her Gabe - Terrified of his sass. Get him on side or get out early. Nick Perkins - just won. Probably a huge target Bigfan - turned on me in Madagascar. Worked well in Raja Ampat. Could work with him again. Adrian - newbie. Doesn’t seem like a threat. D12 - don’t know him. Looks to be good at the game. Target early. Narwhals - worked very well until he backstabbed me. I think we should see how the first day goes. He’s going to be seen as a huge threat. Zedd - not a fan from Raja Ampat. Take him out early. Mylo - formidable player. Don’t know much about him. Austin - former winner. Do not trust. Nick64 - worked well on Pulse BB4. Definitely a potential ride or die. Former winner though. Castle - don’t know him but his original character was Sugar... Brayden - don’t know him but he’s old school kinda. Might be able to work with him. Stacey - always work well with him. Has already won so he could be a good meat shield. Ry4n - never worked together and is a villain but I think we should work together. No one would ever suspect that from us. Mayman - just did very well with half the cast. Get out early
- Try and branch out with new people - work on repairing relationships with narwhals and ry4n, even if just to have a working relationship with them - try and band together against the endgame Tonga people. No need to have the same people at the end again.
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austin
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Post by austin on Jun 26, 2020 18:48:24 GMT -5
Omg austin “DO NOT TRUST” and we ended up being ride or dies. DECEASED.
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Leo ✔
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Post by Leo ✔ on Jun 26, 2020 19:02:28 GMT -5
"Didn't seem very strong" Ouch
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Jun 26, 2020 19:09:03 GMT -5
Castle - don’t know him but his original character was Sugar... tbh I still don't know why I ended up being Sugar, not someone I'm a fan of at all. She was entertaining to watch in her season in a trainwreck sort of way. I remember being very confused as to why I ended up being her lol
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mcsteamy
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Post by mcsteamy on Jun 27, 2020 8:16:01 GMT -5
"Didn't seem very strong" Ouch Wasn't a lie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:16:17 GMT -5
Hey hoes! I'm #late as usual! Before I get into player notes, here is the full SHOOTER 'statement' that I was going to post if I'd been here. I sent it to Spidey but Proboards kept breaking on the nested quotes so he wasn't able to get any of them, and just chose the two most relevant ones. (note: this is a slightly fuller statement than what I first sent Spidey since I realized I left out a couple of quotes and also because this is from an ongoing PM Shooter and I have, so the convo kept going afterward. ) one more note - mcsteamy, he called you racially insensitive bc he caught wind of your George Floyd idea for the movie challenge. idk who told him about that. He is not aware that you said in your confessional that you realized 'it's too soon' and decided on your own to drop that idea entirely. Cynthia, you can tell McSleazy that I’d rather be an annoying cunt than an illiterate, dim-witted and racially insensitive drug addict whose sole existence is to keep Narcan, rehab and malpractice litigation afloat in the future. Trolls are one thing but I do admire his steadfast commitment to being Pulse’s resident crackhead. I have no idea where or why steamboat is calling you an annoying cunt, but I'll assume it's bc I mentioned in the green room that you said not to be surprised if your vote got lost in the mail unless Zeebz makes it (which he very well might bc I swear this entire T8 is a dramatic mess in a way that it shouldn't be). I'll save that response for your juror statement since we both know you won't be attending oh nvmd I see it's in the green room. wave must have snitched lol [Wave] did but feel free to recycle it for my juror statement all the same. I ain't said not a word to that man since the first time we played together and yet my name is still in his mouth. He must love that taste. I don't even remember House Lannister's ass from Big Brother!! the LACK of personality is sending me. Chile. Worry about your rankdowns on life support, not me! (Wave's bitch ass is only telling me to get a rise out of me. He irks my soul lol) PLEASE lock me and Mario in a game with these bitches so we tag-team them to death with the drags and reads! I remember [that BB season]. You turned into a villain somewhere around T10 and that's where Kunt and I were like YES THIS IS IT KEEP GOING lol also, didn't realize until I was looking through all the survivor seasons on the wiki but I didn't realize you made T3 in one season. I really wish spidey would be consistent about having T3 finales instead of going back and forth b/t T3 and T2. wave needs to stop with his bored ass lmao I'm telling you we need to have that urban Pulse Survivor/BB one day! lemme go in this green room and pick at wave for a minute before returning to The Days Of Our Appliances Being a villain was fun! I should've came into this season with that energy! Yes, I did [make T3] but Spidey and that stupid ass jigsaw puzzle stopped my bag. D12's ass floated into what should've been my spot. #Salty I already cussed [wave] out cuz he ain't have this snitch energy when it mattered and could've helped me stay in the game! PLEASE orchestrate this! Let's see these hoes survive a season in OG Compton! ...nah, make it WATTS! lmao not Watts! in slight defense of wave, when I disappeared the green room updates more or less died...they were looking like a second Ponderosa in there smh. I told you ya boy Zeebz is gonna f**k some s**t up and he is now plotting to f**k some s**t up. I hope he does! I got my popcorn ready. I just needed any kinda inkling Enya was on shaky ground and I would've came straight for her neck!! Austin was too worried she might have an idol and he didn't want old Cinnabun to have a majority left on the playing field. Ugh! I'm still #salty I was constantly hearing "I don't think the numbers are there; we don't have the numbers; the numbers, the numbers, the numbers!" so yeah I think that is what people tend to fixate on (myself included but my head wasn't 100% in this to begin with). I done told Zeebz the only way my ass is showing up for jury is if he's in one of the final seats! He better not let me down!! the super annoying thing about this, as a bystander co-host, is seeing people HAVE the f**king numbers, but be so damn scared of just committing to a bold plan that they lose them bc no one has the balls to say 'ok, let's do this' don't get me wrong it is important to make sure you do have people who are willing to ride with whatever you're trying to sell, but a lot of times these players don't really sell it. they try to softball things and push other people into saying a name first. Then when they don't get the response they wanted it's all 'baw, we don't have the numbers.' naw, you just don't have the GUTS. own your s**t! it doesn't help that this season has essentially been a masterclass in punishing people who play 'too strong.' Every time someone does take charge or has clear control of their alliances, they get pushed out. But now you have an island of chaos bc damn near no one left knows wtf they're doing and they all keep flip-flopping on each other. ALL of THIS! It was like pulling teeth getting commitments outta them and then I didn’t wanna push too hard for that exact reason. This game is not worth all this goddamn aggravation lmao!! I done told Zeebz the only way my ass is showing up for jury is if he's in one of the final seats! He better not let me down!! put on your lei and light up the tiki sis, ya boy done made the finale! woooooo! enya and brayden Spidey just asked me if I could get a statement and vote from you since you removed yourself from your confessional (lololol) and I said yeah since you'd told me weeks ago that you would only vote if Zeebz made the finale. and I'll use that comment you made about mcsteamy a page or two ago if you have nothing else you want to say about it. [messy host is messy]Did I? Is that what happens when you accidentally hit 'delete' instead of archive? I never knew! Yes, feel free to float my message in a bottle over to McSteamy. I truly am elated to go back to forgetting he ever existed. Also feel free to tell Spidey I hate his guts, he makes me vomit and he's the scum between my toes. And if he ever PMs me about this game again, I will find his name, phone number, address and personally report it as an act of terror. I have nothing else for these bitches or this game and if they let Enya win with a bunch of pity votes, I hope they channel that same charitable energy towards the BLM movement! #TeamZebra [additional convo]I'm copying and pasting player confessionals now and ugh at neither brayden NOR Max taking the nullifier from the advantage chest. Max actually assumed brayden got an idol since brayden got to pick first and was like 'oh well i'm working with brayden so i don't need this nullifier thing' as if it's a good idea to let anyone not aligned with you or peeps to have it. smh. I can kind of see why brayden would have taken the vote steal over the nullifier, but Max passing on the nullifier for early exit was just DUMB. Max got two advantage opportunities, picked the wrong ones both times, and then never even used either of them smh this is more so a note to self since i plan on scoring everyone who made jury at the end of this. on a scale of 1-20, Max gets...a 4. A very generous 4. i said i was gonna finish player commentary and confessional summaries s**t but i had to go do something for my mom and now i'm tiredt...the apathy is officially kicking in It ain't over yet?! Jesus. Zeebz text me earlier that he lost so I assumed it was wrapped up. jury was still talking in ponderosa about 10 or 15 minutes ago so i assume q&a is over and we're just waiting for results. zeebz already knew it was going to be an uphill battle for him tho and i just...eh. you'll probably be the lone vote for him. i have no issue with enya or brayden winning. but i was mainly just irked for zeebz because the jury seemed hellbent on insisting he 'did nothing.' but then this is the same jury that thought ry4n ran the whole game...and sis when i tell you he did not. this is why i'm calling it a night, bc whatever my season recap is has to address a lot and gently tug a few scalps while defending zeebz, and i'm braindead. this is not to take away from enya or brayden. brayden is extremely strategic and i'm glad he got a chance to explain himself with an FTC statement. enya had a mid-game breakdown but his 1.0 and 2.0 tribal play is outright iconic, dude was seriously eating champions for breakfast. he redeemed himself by the end of his run. jurors don't realize they wouldn't have even gotten this amazing t3 if it hadn't been for zeebz. not one other 'threat' in that game would have been brave or willing enough to take equal competitors with them. I co-sign this spill 100% cuz ain't no way in hell I would've taken Enya with me! I didn't know Brayden at all before this but he seemed nice enough and I was looking forward to working with him. Will pop my head in for your recap. Now bring on Mafia so I can hate that and you forever like Pulse Survivor and Spidey!! nooooo you'll love my mafia game I promise! lmao Mario, hit them backgrounds for me girl! *clears throat*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:28:21 GMT -5
ok and now here is the commentary for everyone who made jury/finale! Apologies to those who missed, I was going to score y'all too but I decided anyone who left before merge wasn't in long enough to have gradeable content, for the most part. - Nick P: 5
That tribal where you purposely threw a random vote on ry4n - oh my goodness I was so mad at you for that. It was a horrible idea; there were not nearly enough people on that tribe for you to hide behind a vote like you thought and for the life of me I don't know why you thought that was useful. Maybe it could have worked if you'd made it to post-merge and there were 10 or more players in the game, but six people on one tribe? c'mon bruh. Maybe the worst part is that you clearly had no intention of telling anyone what you did or why. Merge is the only thing that saved your ass bc that was obvious, clunky, and dumb (no offense). Shooter for sure was ready to light into your ass because he vented to austin about it lmao. You cast a vote that was easily traceable and that would engender mistrust toward you afterward. Terrible decision, idc if it worked in Tonga.
Other than that...I can't say I recall much about your game, good or bad. I unfortunately missed the 3.0 tribal phase so I don't know what happened there but I suspect you simply trusted the wrong people and/or that was the one time that you as a former winner should have felt entitled to make a power move, and you didn't.
- Castle: 5
Like Nick, I feel that you didn't make many memorable moves. In fact you seemed heavily reliant on other people making the decisions for you. You were so nervous and convinced that you were a target the whole time that you flocked to whoever could promise you safety, promising to vote however they did and rarely making your own suggestions.' You had the temperament of a nervous poodle most of the time and it was really odd to me.
There was one particular moment during the 2.0 phase though that stood out - when you were headed to tribal and D12 said 'I've heard every person's name at least once' you suggested that the three OG Hondo players were possibly trying to create chaos to keep the two Macal and two Sibun players from uniting, meaning it was even more imperative that you guys stick together. That was a flash of strategic brilliance and leadership that I wish I would have seen more of. Not saying at all that you needed to be hyper-aggressive from start to finish, but I just wish you'd moved with more confidence.
- Shooter: 7
So, let's start with the positives: you're a solid comps player, if it's a team challenge you will ensure that the job gets done even if that means having to do it yourself, and you're loyal to your allies. You also have good instincts.
But the negatives...lbr here, you did NOT want to sign up for this and you were ornery the whole time because of it lol. Social is not your strong suit and it makes you vulnerable, because once you've found your core alliance you don't really expend much effort trying to build secondary bridges. A core alliance alone can't protect you from a vote but having some side allies invested in you can. And when it comes to those instincts, you struggle to find ways to convince others of what your gut is telling you is true. You were correct when you told austin that that enya likely had an idol; austin did not listen. While you were understandably in a difficult position there - if you'd tried to push your point across to austin too hard he probably would have eventually flipped on you - you didn't make any attempt to at least ease him into the idea of organizing a vote split. There were 14 players left; the numbers were probably there to organize it. You have to find ways to convince people to make the moves you know are correct, but without coming across as overbearing. You tend to be all or nothing in this respect, either mowing people down with your righteousness or shrugging and saying 'whatever then, do you.' The moment you shrugged was the moment you were gone. Score is lower than it would be if I were like other players and gave the most weight to strategy/comps, but I will always maintain that social game is where the battle is truly won.
- bigfan101: 5
You just always do too much lmao. You had the concepts down but the execution went left and your reads/instincts on your surroundings were never solid - somehow you managed to simultaneously be too trusting and too untrustworthy. You mentioned in one of your alliance pms I think, something about purposely co-hosting a season so that you could learn from others. I do think you learned a lot of things, but jumping from that straight into All-Stars, the most competitive season one could possibly join, was like completing a 101 course and then taking a 500-level grad school final. The curve was wayyyyy too high for you to be able to apply what you learned with a great deal of finesse.
- mcsteamy: 9
Genuinely, the best all-around player we had in the game...there was some controversy about your comps performance that I missed and frankly don't care to discuss bc I care more about strategy and social strength anyway, but even with that in mind the movie era challenge was basically you carrying the whole tribe on your back and you did a lot of work in the album era challenge. You excelled at comps, you were great at putting and keeping alliances together, and going into merge it became clear that you were de facto lead strategist for said alliance(s). There's very little to criticize, objectively. With that said, I think that even if you had stayed in the game you would have been out by T7 - some of that is your personality which will always be an acquired taste for many, lol, but some of that was the simple fact that you were obviously so in the lead on your side. This whole game was basically people turning on the more aggressive, 'leading' players and I don't think you would have been the exception who somehow maintained everyone's loyalty all the way to the end.
- gabe: 6-7 (?)
You played a really quiet game pre-merge. You didn't initiate many alliance pms, and you weren't part of any group alliances in the first or second tribal phases that I can recall. To a degree I think you were simply trying to prove that you could play a different game from Tonga, which I can understand, but you sacrificed a lot on the social end by going this way about it.
I think that light game at the start is what ultimately led to your early-ish finish. Other players had built and solidified early alliances that led to them being more protective of each other, while you ended up being a secondary ally that was easier to target bc there was no one left who was going to feel super attached to you. I have a question mark next to your name though because I missed basically the last third of your run and I know you really picked up close to the end. So I'm not sure where exactly I should score you, but 6 to 7 feels about right.
- austin: 7
austinnnnnnn where do I even begin? You were genuinely one of my favorite players to watch even if said reason for that is bc it was kind of like watching Taylor Swift go from 1989 to reputation lol! You have always been great at social and strategy, to the point that I will waste no more time discussing that. Your downfall ultimately became that you didn't know when to step back and chill on occasion. You decided to go for a more aggressive strategy this time which wasn't a bad idea in theory, but you went full throttle with it and it became too conspicuous, too overbearing. Exploding at enya right before merge lowkey became the beginning of the end for you. Now my understanding of this situation is that enya lied to Mayman about planning to target you, but didn't go back and tell you in advance about it. When you found out you flipped out and things went sour very quickly. Now, I do think it was a mistake on enya's part not to inform you of this, but it was a very minor mistake. Enya should have just told you 'my bad, but really, I had to tell the poor guy something'; meanwhile, you should have had more faith in enya as Mayman was so obviously the odd man out with everyone, only paranoia could have made you think that was a big deal. You could have simply said 'hey just let me know in advance when you put my name out there as a decoy bc once we make it to merge, it's not going to be so obvious that you didn't mean it.' You both mismanaged that situation and you just happened to be the one who (temporarily) had the upper hand bc you were allied with everyone else....but then enya returned. Not necessarily a point against you for not knowing this, but the Coven (mcsteamy/enya/narwhals) was ALWAYS going to be an obstacle for you. They go all the way back to Madagascar and that's a bond that even a steady alliance with enya would have broken. But because of the way you and enya fell out it immediately created the mcsteamy vs. austin side, and the target on your back ballooned immensely.
It took mcsteamy leaving for you and enya to patch things up. If he'd stayed, I don't think enya would have come back to you. In the end it didn't matter anyway bc D12 was able to turn things against you in the next breath. In this instance you became the unexpected enya of the situation - D12 shouldn't have come in your inbox raging about it, bc it wasn't like you and mylo were close enough to consider suggesting his name a betrayal. But you should have immediately recognized that for what it was ('oh, mylo must be an important ally to him') and defused the situation instead of lighting it up more. I can't even remember who the original target at T10 was anymore but it wasn't you, mylo, OR Max and you could have smoothed that over.
That was longer than I intended but tl;dr you ended up getting eliminated bc you kept pressing the gas pedal to the floor and wouldn't remain flexible enough to take a detour when needed. When you are one of the more visible players/threats in the game a large part of surviving is knowing when to ease up a bit. There is nothing wrong with turning on the cruise control for a round or two while gently steering things in the overall direction you want.
- Max: 4
I still can't at you receiving two advantage opportunities, picking the weaker of two choices each time and then never even using what you chose. Beyond that, you also for some reason kept going off and telling Mylo stuff - which was especially weird bc you wouldn't even include Mylo in the All-Star 6 blindside on bigfan due to your hesitation to fully trust him. So you knew better...but you still wouldn't do better. I can't remember what it was now but there was something you did tell him and Zeebz wouldn't tell you he had an idol bc he read you well enough to know that you'd blab to the wrong person about it without meaning to. When one of your closest allies can't even tell you s**t, that is Not A Good Sign. And while I'm not as upset with you voting for mylo as I am with mylo for not voting at all, that throwaway vote at T9 was such an eyeroll worthy moment. See what I said above to Nick when he tried to throw his vote away on ry4n -goofy move that would have left you nowhere to hide and caused more problems for you than solved if you had been fortunate enough to dodge the black rock.
So, bad reads, bad choice, and bad inaction all led to an overall bad score this time. Ironic bc I was just saying a couple of days ago that if I had to pick a 'best to never win' myself it would actually probably be you in Mexico (Narwhals in Raja Ampat was also great). But you did not put in your best game here.
- Narwhals: 7
Nar! Your coin flip was indubitably iconique! I'm bummed that you voted a split second before Zeebz could get to you, though I do understand as there were like 15 minutes left to vote. You and enya both tend to be highly paranoid though and it's one of the reasons people had such a hard time warming up to the idea of keeping you around - you specifically were very cagey and this made you difficult to work with. If you had told D12 about your coin, he would have helped you blindside someone, for example, and likely he would have let you and enya choose who to blindside. Also, generally speaking you deferred to enya on a lot of decisions so it never felt as if you were contributing that much to strategy (even though I know from previous seasons that you *can* strategize) so I find myself looking at enya as the stronger half of Narnya. You're better at comps, but you rarely seemed to think beyond 'what can I do to keep enya and myself alive?' while enya was always pushing himself to create a connection somewhere even when it looked as if there was nowhere else to turn. You didn't think long-term and that eventually caught up with you.
But still, that coin flip was iconic af. We stan!
- D12: 8
If you had only realized the position of power you were in after mcsteamy left, this season ending would have been wholly different.
You are great at comps and overall I was really, really impressed with your pre-merge work - idoling out Jordy and being part of the nick64 blindside, among other things, speaks to your ability to take out immediate threats. (I will include being able to immediately flip a vote discussion on austin in the blink of an eye as an example of this). If I could only pick one jury member who I think really deserved to be in the finale, I'd choose you.
With that said, your biggest misstep was not seeing the opportunity to take over after mcsteamy left. You, mylo, enya, Narwhals, and gabe were an easy T5. All that needed was for one person to step in and say 'hey, mcsteamy was important to all of us so it's especially crucial now that we stick together to make it far together.' No one did this and that's why the island went from a dramatic mess to a dramatic and chaotic and disorganized mess after mcsteamy's departure. I have never seen so many alliance permutations unfold in all my Pulse Survivor watching/playing seasons! And I very much attribute all those permutations to you not seizing the golden egg that was sitting in front of you.
I am pretty sure you were planning on taking two weaker players/goats to the finale with you to ensure a win and personally I just hate that, I've always been the kind of person who prefers losing to someone great over beating someone weak (and that's probably why I'm queen of missing finales lmao). Putting my preference aside though, your own motives I think are what got in your way of seeing the clear path - you believed you needed ry4n up to a certain point, and I'm guessing you were planning on pushing him out at T5 or so and stealing his goat (Leo) from him in the process. Bc of this you never got a solid grip on enya and Narwhals, and Zeebz' ability to nail down what you couldn't in enya spelled your eventual end.
- ry4n: 5
I'm being polite with the 5 because I know that some of my criticisms for you aren't necessarily things that were in control or even your line of view, really.
But just to get this out the way: you were never in control of this island. Not even in pre-merge really can I point to one definitive moment where it felt like you were leading something. You had the right allies for a long time and voted in the right direction, which gave the impression that you were the one with all the plugs, but truthfully much of this game was just about being in the right place at the right time for you, up until the moment that you for some reason offered up austin as a sacrifice without realizing it until it was too late.
You and D12 united at some point but post-merge, you two seemed to almost always be at quiet odds with each other as to what you wanted. It was a constant haggling process of one having to acquiesce to the other - and I think D12 got his way more times than you did. I do recall you telling D12 at one point 'I know enya and Narwhals are important for your game, but Zeebz and brayden are important for mine' and while you did eventually 'get' your way (vote-wise; the coin was having none of that) the way you basically had to beg this guy not to vote off someone you needed, to me, was the real exposure tea. I said this in the green room but it bears repeating: Leaders don't beg, they convince. And if the thing that is most helpful for your 'ally' is not the thing that is helpful for you, that is not.your.ally. Period.
You inadvertently created the situation that led to austin getting voted off but I don't even think that was your worst mistake, though it was a pretty bad one. You blew up your OWN game during the T9 rock draw, making it obvious that even with alllll the promises you had floating around not one of those promises included Zeebz in the final picture. And yet you are mad because he saw that for what it was and did what he had to do to protect his own hide. Make that make sense! Zeebz did not betray you. You betrayed yourself. The reality is you tried to ride fences and instead ended up with two alliance groups that deprioritized you because they knew you were already deprioritizing them. Only reason you bumped Zeebz back up to #3 on your 'trust' list is because you finally admitted to yourself what you'd known all along (that D12 was not taking you to the end with him) and you thought Max going out on rocks left Zebra with no one. Yet you are mad at Zebra for being - well, being the zebra that he is, not the goat that he is not - and dropping you off at the point where you were bound to go anyway. Zeebz/Brayden/enya did not unite to 'avenge' austin. They united bc the island was still a chaotic and confusing mess and they figured their only way to ensure a finale finish for any of them was to get D12 and you out the way, in that order.
While we're talking about goats, I also had issues with you calling Leo a goat multiple times near the end. You weren't wrong, but he was YOUR goat so I would have at least expected you to be respectful about his loyalty to you. It felt like you were dissing him for it instead.
- Leo: 2 or 10, it all depends
I don't like goats but this is admittedly just a full failure to comprehend, because it truly seems you came into this with the sole goal of being ry4n's lackey and making it to the end with him without doing any thinking for yourself. If that was truly your intent then you get a 10 because you truly goated it up till you couldn't goat any more and y'all went out back-to-back so that's something. I just can't wrap my mind around you being so determined to see ry4n go forward that you were willing to put yourself at risk with the rocks...absolutely confuddling.
With that said, something I said in the green room and will also say here - you have issues that go beyond any one game and you have got to figure out how to mend those before you sign up to play again - unless, as I said before you genuinely enjoy being treated as a goat by everyone including the people who are willing to work with you. Gabe's goodbye message was harsh but sorry to say, there was some tea. You have some serious likability issues and it has you coming into these games too handicapped to have a chance of your own bc people either don't want to ally with you at all, or they very much see you as a shield and a follower that they can use for votes until you're inevitably voted out by all those people who didn't like you enough to give you a chance. I don't know how you can overcome that, or if it's even worth it to, but I can't see you making it to a Survivor or BB finale until you do.
- Mylo: 0 or....nah just a 0, you hare no hero
You get scored worse than Leo because at least Leo committed to his goatiness. You had the nerve to come in, flop like a fish for I don't know how many weeks, and then after your goat herder got voted out decide you want to try to win something. I actually found that even MORE annoying than if you'd kept putting in the 'just here so I don't get fined' effort that you'd been weak-serving. It's one thing to not want to be a threat and win so many comps that people start eyeing you for it. It's another thing to log in at the very last minute to submit all your challenges and turn in scores so bad that it's obvious you didn't even spend 5 minutes trying, admit that you were only playing the game for D12, and then decide 'oh well now I'll play so I can get to the end!'
I realize that it's 'just a game' but still, it is a game that everyone else in this - even Leo - made what I feel were genuine efforts to be present and play comps because they truly wanted to be here. Your blatant refusal to give af was insulting to the time and energy that the rest poured into this. You are not avenging anyone by taking up a spot that you couldn't be bothered to make the effort for. Simply put, you did not do anything in this game to warrant a finale spot, not even as a goat, and you have no place to look down on anyone else's strategy or overall play simply because they weren't greedy or insecure enough to take a more deserving player over you.
You also had hilariously bad reads and every time you proposed plans to D12 or in your confessional I would laugh at them.
- Zeebz: 9
Fun facts about zebras: they are not hunters, they are herbivores. They are highly social animals. They run in zigzag patterns to elude their predators. They do not change their stripes. They are not goats!
I don't know if this was intentional when you picked your screen name however many years ago, but you really picked the best animal to match your personality. And you deserve more respect than this jury gave you. I don't know why they keep insisting that you played it safe or did nothing - social game IS strategic game, and those who aren't good at it go out every time. You won this game twice by being a great social player who was able to turn even the most obvious enemies into friends and who didn't aggressively 'hunt' his competition so much as he gracefully eluded it. Why would you change that up when literally almost every winner and runner-up around you was getting knocked tf out for being too aggressive? Now, there were a few winners who got pushed out for being too timid and/or not really hustling to pin down their place, and I think that is where you stand out to me for being able to find the happy medium between aggressiveness and nonchalantness.
I also think that as a whole juries struggle a lot with things that they cannot 'see.' The work you had to put in to convince ry4n to vote out D12 for example; you were the first person to figure out that D12 was a real threat and you put a lot of thought into getting him out bc you knew that he and ry4n needed to go out in a certain order. Or how you went from being opposed with Narnya for the first five votes to suddenly teaming up with them and even taking one all the way to the end with you. This is not to take away from enya's win (deserving!) or brayden's finish (also deserving! also would have made a wonderful winner!) but every member of this jury needs to write you a thank-you note bc if not for you they would not have gotten the fantastic finale OR the winner that they did. There is not one other person in this season who would have been bold enough to try befriending and fully committing to an alliance with an established enemy at T8...never mind smooth enough to actually pull that s**t off. Only a 2-time winner with balls could do that. You can explain to them til the cows come home but bc they couldn't directly witness it, it's intangible to them.
As for comps, I think you pointed this out but you were the highest individual scorer on the first reward challenge, you won your subject in the schoolhouse challenge, you were second place in pointless, and I'm pretty sure there were other challenges where you came in respectably high (like top 5 score). I don't know why people are trying to play you weak on the comps. This was a highly competitive season and not the one in which I'd be using comps to rank anybody, but to the extent that one does choose to do that anyone shitting on you about it is clearly placing a premium on the flash comps while conveniently ignoring the 'people skills' comps (i.e. the comps that require one to actually pay attention to how others behave and think) in which you excelled.
9 instead of 10 bc maybe the one thing you could have done differently was make it more obvious that you were emerging to lead the pack instead of manipulating behind the scenes. You maintained your friiendly-zebra face until the end so I guess everyone keeps forgetting God didn't make your crazy like a fox ass a Gemini for nothing.
- Brayden: 9
Ah, another one who fell victim to the things that the jury cannot see! Your greatest skill is also your main albatross - you work amazingly well in pairs and you always having great strategy, but you choose to stay in the background while the other person is up front and more 'visible' and then the other person gets all the credit. So the 2.0 tribal phase for example, it was you and mcsteamy and you guys did a great job of navigating what looked like a tough situation. That was a very equally yoked situation but I think it was you who suggested pairing with the OG Macal guys instead of trying to break up Hondo. And you were also the one who suggested sending Macal 2.0 to tribal bc 'OG Sibun has majority over there, so if any of them go home that means there was a problem.' That was a GREAT call. Then for the 3.0 tribal phase and the start of post-merge, it was you and austin reunited and again, you two did a great job working together and plotting your next moves together. After austin left it was you and Zeebz and you proposed the intentional rock draw plan (I give equal credit to you guys here bc you originated the idea and Zeebz carried out the execution by keeping tabs on ry4n). This is where things get extremely weird bc it seems like the jury simultaneously doesn't think Zeebz did anything while also sold you short for partnering up with a more visible Zeebz. Eh. Whatever. You're strategic af and I will hear no dissent. 9 instead of 10 for similar reasons as Zeebz, there was probably a point where you could have openly claimed your place at the front of the tribe without fear of blowback and maybe that could have pulled you more votes in the end.
- enya: 8.5
Now, obviously you won so that's more than enough to warrant ignoring this and blasting 'Shawty Is a Ten' on repeat for eternity! But, just as an objective formality, I have to give an 8 for reasons I mentioned shortly after the finale. The fallout with austin was a mess, then once you got voted back in it was a constant struggle to stay in. You and Nar both had major trust issues with almost everyone save for mcsteamy (who left), so a lot of times you got in your own way...like voting out austin bc you thought Max was pulling your leg. I still don't know what made you think that, to this day. Oh, not fully leaning in to a relationship with D12. That would have been smooth sailing too. But in retrospect it is all for the best as D12 wasn't seeing the full picture either and I don't think he ever really had your best interests in mind.
One thing you did have over Narwhals was your willingness to at least go out and try to find a place to land, and you didn't care who it was with just as long as you stuck that landing. Narwhals' presence was a safety blanket that I think kept you from fully utilizing your own intuitive skill, but once he left you had no choice but to figure out the lay of the land on your own. While Zeebz gets major credit for taking a gamble on you, you deserve equal credit for taking a gamble on him (and Brayden). You could have chosen to be team D12 but your instincts were strong enough to perceive that Zeebz was presenting the more genuine offer, and from that point on it was redemption arc. I'm so glad you took my old advice to heart - one can only hope I do myself if I ever play again lmao
I cannot stop talking about your tribal 1.0 and 2.0 work. It was truly a work of art. The way you took out all those winners/runners-up with not one visible drop of blood on your hands > > > Ok that's all I got, believe it or not I have run out of words! Here is a link to the confessional QT for those who didn't see it in the green room - www.quicktopic.com/53/H/pBVVZJhnJEbvyRight now it's 2/3 finished, I just have the top 8 left to copy and paste. So of course, those are the longest confessionals and I'm taking a procrastination break lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 16:59:35 GMT -5
Two responses to Cynthia - yes I was afraid to make moves after bigfans vote out since he got voted out , I thought my best bet was to just not to do much And hope someone else becomes a target.
Also I wanted to vote Austin out for revenge from the pre-tribe vote out of enya. I really didn’t think he was with us at all.
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Post by Nick P on Jun 27, 2020 17:00:51 GMT -5
haha that's a lot better than I was expecting to do tbh (and no offense taken obv, my move there was sooo dumb)
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jun 27, 2020 17:55:30 GMT -5
The score I deserve honestly . Nice recap!
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Post by Leo ✔ on Jun 27, 2020 18:05:17 GMT -5
There are some serious flaws on those reviews but I'm keeping those to myself. Thanks for a 10 though
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 27, 2020 19:16:00 GMT -5
Haha I deserve that 4. I didn’t play a great game. A few comments of clarification - I think I told Mylo things because I did think that group of 4 was legit for longer than it was. The time I mentioned about possibly wanting Ry4n our (when he ratted me out) was a last-ditch effort knowing he’d probably rat but not being 100% - by then I was 100% and stopped with him.
My throwaway vote for mylo was kind of me saying fuck it to everything. I hadn’t given up quite yet but it was part of a whole, I need to actually do something if I want something to happen. I promise there was a strategy behind it despite it being kind of “I give up” in its premise.
So really, I’d be willing to giving Mylo a few points for being the thorn in my side post-merge to fuck up my game. But I’d also take it away again because I know it wasn’t done with any sort of plan or intention.
I’m soooo curious to see how the game would have ended up had Mylo voted. Would I have been targeted next? Would we have gone to rocks again. I was just waking up to play (finally) and then boom! Black rock. I’m still salty.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 27, 2020 20:32:50 GMT -5
Okay time to fess up. Who deleted the post in the post challenge?!???!??
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Post by mcsteamy on Jun 27, 2020 21:04:48 GMT -5
So I'm the best all around player? Tied in score with the finalist? And better score than the winner?
I already knew that but thank you for bringing it to the light.
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Post by mcsteamy on Jun 27, 2020 21:17:45 GMT -5
But yeah, my main weakness is my attitude but you know If u can't handle the steams. You better go away, there's people like the coven (<3) and Gabe and mayman(finally got the name.right) who can get it and they will get to know how amazing of a friend I am.
C ya.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Jun 27, 2020 21:26:03 GMT -5
Thanks @antigonerising for the 5. I honestly expected worse but I agree 100% with what you had to say. I'm not sure why I was so nervous the whole time, I needed to take a chill pill and get a little bit more confident. I let my anxiety get the best of me sometimes lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 22:55:41 GMT -5
So I'm the best all around player? Tied in score with the finalist? And better score than the winner? I already knew that but thank you for bringing it to the light. When I hosted Raja I said it's not really correct to call you a villain. People do it bc of your attitude but your actual style of play is very clean. I also wish I'd gotten to see more of you and gabe together
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