Billboard Hot 100: 06/27/2020

[walt91]

Jun 16, 2020 15:26:53 GMT -5 thelegends said:

Jun 16, 2020 11:38:38 GMT -5 saltnpeppa said:

Party Girl is a classic it reminds me of a certain era of Drake I can’t quite put my finger between 2011 to 2015. Maybe Nothing was the same? Idk but it’s clearly resonated with the people through tik tok and Spotify so I don’t get the confusion it’s much catchier than it’s one hit wonder viral counterparts.

Ah yes, it feels like Marvin’s Room by Drake

... I'm not hearing the similarities.

[arg991]

Jun 16, 2020 17:03:14 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jun 16, 2020 16:02:16 GMT -5 iHype. said:

It's funny because the same people calling 6ix9ine desperate were the same ones excusing Me!/Stuck With U, and suddenly there was nothing wrong with caring about going #1 lol. 

This is all Billboard's fault/encouragement more than it is these artists being desperate (there was some clear desperation in all instances though).

I agree, but this time around the desperation seems way more personal. This year we have seen Selena Gomez crying on Instagram stories saying "she's put so much effort into the album and it would be great if it went #1" to more extreme cases like 6ix9ine continuously complaining about Billboard "cheating him" of a #1. "Yummy" was almost as extreme, but they never blamed Billboard for anything. With "Stuck With U" and "ME!" the artists never even really mentioned a desire to go #1 themselves, if I recall correctly. (For SWU, they responded to 6ix9ine's claims, rightfully so.) Those felt like a corporate effort to grab a #1 single. 

Either way, the music industry has always had gimmicks to claim the #1 spot. That will never change. I think we're just seeing things through now thanks to social media, and stans fueling an unnecessary race between artists. As disgusting as he is, 6ix9ine knows this is the closest he will get to the top while alive and well, and is playing the game with the bundles. (IDK about the fake YouTube views, though. We'll get more insight soon, I bet.)

Anyway, to wrap it up, I'll say a #1 isn't valued as much anymore. "GOOBA" is already down to #43 on the Hot 100, and I don't think anyone will remember it as one of the big singles of the year. "Stuck With U" is holding up a little better, at #20, but it's also not looking good. I'd say "Don't Start Now," "Dance Monkey," "Adore You," and "ROXANNE" are bigger hits despite peaking lower. A #1 song with ZERO longevity isn't going to earn 6ix9ine the industry stamp of approval or respect from anyone who doesn't blindly listen to his "music" like he wishes.

Some of you really need to get a life. It’s not that serious, either it hits number one or it doesn’t really doesn’t matter or change the fact that everyone does it.

[iHype.]

Jun 16, 2020 16:57:16 GMT -5 chebad said:

And no, all of this mess hasn’t been done with other records.

Lmao, this is a prime example of choosing what you want to see.

Yes, releasing a bunch of different versions and baiting fans to buy them repeatedly has been done before. Heartless had like 50 versions, Travis Scott's recent #1's had like 20 versions each, Taylor had the audacity to release rehearsal audio for sale, Yummy also had like 10 versions and he begged his fans to stream/buy, Stuck With U also had like 20 versions and all were discounted. For you to sit here and choose which instances are desperate and which aren't at this point is silly.

You're just being very selective with what you want to see as desperate. "Well they only released 20 versions, not 25 versions like Trollz so they're not as desperate" umm ok. It's all the same thing at this point.

The artist has to come on Twitter and directly ask fans to buy it for you to finally see it as desperate? You couldn't see the desperation when they threw together 50 different versions of 1 song for sale, that don't ship for 5 months after?

[Deleted]

Honestly high peaks aren't everything, longevity has always been the bigger thing
I mean look at How Do I Live for example, never reached #1 but look at how successful it was due to it's longevity

Also getting #1 in ways feels less organic at times in this day and age, not to say that artificial tactics weren't used in the past
They just feel more in your face these days due to the advent of social media

[kimberly]

Jun 16, 2020 17:06:59 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:03:14 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I agree, but this time around the desperation seems way more personal. This year we have seen Selena Gomez crying on Instagram stories saying "she's put so much effort into the album and it would be great if it went #1" to more extreme cases like 6ix9ine continuously complaining about Billboard "cheating him" of a #1. "Yummy" was almost as extreme, but they never blamed Billboard for anything. With "Stuck With U" and "ME!" the artists never even really mentioned a desire to go #1 themselves, if I recall correctly. (For SWU, they responded to 6ix9ine's claims, rightfully so.) Those felt like a corporate effort to grab a #1 single. 

Either way, the music industry has always had gimmicks to claim the #1 spot. That will never change. I think we're just seeing things through now thanks to social media, and stans fueling an unnecessary race between artists. As disgusting as he is, 6ix9ine knows this is the closest he will get to the top while alive and well, and is playing the game with the bundles. (IDK about the fake YouTube views, though. We'll get more insight soon, I bet.)

Anyway, to wrap it up, I'll say a #1 isn't valued as much anymore. "GOOBA" is already down to #43 on the Hot 100, and I don't think anyone will remember it as one of the big singles of the year. "Stuck With U" is holding up a little better, at #20, but it's also not looking good. I'd say "Don't Start Now," "Dance Monkey," "Adore You," and "ROXANNE" are bigger hits despite peaking lower. A #1 song with ZERO longevity isn't going to earn 6ix9ine the industry stamp of approval or respect from anyone who doesn't blindly listen to his "music" like he wishes.

Some of you really need to get a life. It’s not that serious, either it hits number one or it doesn’t really doesn’t matter or change the fact that everyone does it.

this is a chart forum to discuss things like this. don't come on here if you don't want to read this. no one's forcing you to.

and I do have a life, probably better than yours. 

[Choco]

The desperation reeks on those cassette and merch sales tho. When your song is going #1 because 50k people bought a cassette they probably won't even play bc who owns a cassette player anymore... it's a flaw in the system.

Selena crying on IG is dumb and eye roll worthy but it's nothing compared to the way this troll has been salivating over a #1 like it's going to validate his pedophilia or lack of talent somehow is disgusting.

Is your song truly the most popular song of the week if 15k people bought 4 copies vs a song that has over 70m listeners on radio or over 40 million streams? Idk.

[degen]

I love how “High peaks/#1s aren’t everything” now that Nicki is suddenly playing the game to get them. But before that y’all tried to drag her for never having a #1, despite “Starships” being the biggest #5 peaking song of all time, having spent 21 weeks in the top 10. Why wasn’t that stat ever mentioned when Cardi fans tried to drag Nicki for “never having a #1.”

Bottom line is; Artists have been playing the game for decades to get a #1. Nicki got dragged for never having a #1, and now she’s getting dragged for playing the game to get a #1. Who exactly are the hypocrites here?

[iHype.]

The issue with Trollz is no different/problematic than Yummy/Heartless/Stuck with U/Say So -- it's clearly trying to bait fans to keep mass purchasing something over and over again. Whether they did it in the most transparent form by going on Twitter or begging, or just stayed silent and did it the narrative doesn't change.

Billboard is the one who needs to put rules in place that discourage what is clearly inflation by stans. Putting rules together like 'only one physical configuration of a single is counted during a week' would be pretty effective. As would 'only one purchase per iTunes account of a song counts'.

That rule may seem silly but at the end of the day -- nobody is buying Cassette Version #6 of a single in 2020 but a die-hard stan, who likely has already bought the song multiple times prior. Also nobody logically has a reason for purchasing both a digital explicit and clean version of a song on 1 iTunes account to listen to.

[Deleted]

Jun 16, 2020 17:17:11 GMT -5 degen said:

I love how “High peaks/#1s aren’t everything” now that Nicki is suddenly playing the game to get them. But before that y’all tried to drag her for never having a #1, despite “Starships” being the biggest #5 peaking song of all time, having spent 21 weeks in the top 10. Why wasn’t this stat ever mentioned when Cardi fans tried to drag Nicki for “never having a #1.”

Anyone whoever discredited Nicki is an idiot
Super Bass and Starships are both living proof that a #1 isn't everything, both felt like chart topping hits and still remembered well

[annoymous1]

Nobody is mad at Nicki playing the system.I just think she is being a hypocrite. She had a whole tantrum at not getting a #1 album because of bundles but is using bundles now to get a possible #2 number 1 and was also the same one to say #1s don't matter.

[m450n]

Jun 16, 2020 16:13:41 GMT -5 chebad said:

Jun 16, 2020 16:00:36 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

That was before the new bundles taken into account.

No. As of today, they’re giving Rockstar the edge. Trollz has virtually zero radio play and hasn’t cracked top 10 on Spotify. It peaked at 15 and has trended downward since.

So I’m curious as to whether strong merch sales will be enough to overcome major deficits in other areas that Billboard considers in their calculations.

It also has 100 million views on Youtube... GOOBA didn't do much better on Apple Music or Spotify than TROLLZ is doing now yet logged 55.3 million U.S. streams (according to Billboard.)

I just feel like people here are conveniently leaving out TROLLZ youtube streams.

[rosalina4812]

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5 m450n said:

Jun 16, 2020 16:13:41 GMT -5 chebad said:

No. As of today, they’re giving Rockstar the edge. Trollz has virtually zero radio play and hasn’t cracked top 10 on Spotify. It peaked at 15 and has trended downward since.

So I’m curious as to whether strong merch sales will be enough to overcome major deficits in other areas that Billboard considers in their calculations.

It also has 100 million views on Youtube... GOOBA didn't do much better on Apple Music or Spotify than TROLLZ is doing now yet logged 55.3 million U.S. streams (according to Billboard.)

I just feel like people here are conveniently leaving out TROLLZ youtube streams.

Why would we consider BOTS?

[arg991]

Jun 16, 2020 17:10:55 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:06:59 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Some of you really need to get a life. It’s not that serious, either it hits number one or it doesn’t really doesn’t matter or change the fact that everyone does it.

this is a chart forum to discuss things like this. don't come on here if you don't want to read this. no one's forcing you to.

and I do have a life, probably better than yours. 

Obviously you don’t if you whining like a lil bish over someone trying to get a no. 1. Imagine how pathetic YOU ARE to be putting that much energy into complaining about their tactics.

[strongerq]

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5 m450n said:

It also has 100 million views on Youtube... GOOBA didn't do much better on Apple Music or Spotify than TROLLZ is doing now yet logged 55.3 million U.S. streams (according to Billboard.)

I just feel like people here are conveniently leaving out TROLLZ youtube streams.

OK if you say so. Then it is a fact.

Apple Music is just as bad if not worse!

[arg991]

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Nobody is mad at Nicki playing the system.I just think she is being a hypocrite. She had a whole tantrum at not getting a #1 album because of bundles but is using bundles now to get a possible #2 number 1 and was also the same one to say #1s don't matter.

Or maybe she’s gaming the system like everyone else. The fact that people are screaming hypocrisy when everyone is doing and she called them out for actually selling more is just people being haters.

[chebad]

Jun 16, 2020 17:07:42 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Jun 16, 2020 16:57:16 GMT -5 chebad said:

And no, all of this mess hasn’t been done with other records.

Lmao, this is a prime example of choosing what you want to see.

Yes, releasing a bunch of different versions and asking fans to buy them has been done before. Heartless had like 50 versions, Travis Scott's recent #1's had like 20 versions each, Taylor had the audacity to release rehearsal audio for sale, Yummy also had like 10 versions and he begged his fans to stream/buy, Stuck With U also had like 20 versions and all were discounted. For you to sit here and choose which instances are desperate and which aren't at this point is silly.

You're just being very selective with what you want to see as desperate. "Well they only released 20 versions, not 25 versions like Trollz so they're not as desperate" umm ok. It's all the same thing at this point.

The artist has to come on Twitter and directly ask fans to buy it for you to finally see it as desperate? You couldn't see the desperation when they threw together 50 different versions of 1 song for sale, that don't ship for 5 months after?

Girl shut up. “You’re just being very selective” looking a**. I’m calling out two artists that have literally done nothing but complain about the powers at be doing everything possible to seek recognition from the very institutions they heavily criticize, using the same tactics they demonized other artists for employing. It goes beyond desperation...I feel like there’s an actual name for this.

Nicki Minaj, who is 40 with a husband and has been in this game for over a decade with an established career and legacy, is so desperate to get a hit that she’s willing to violate her own moral code by collaborating with a known informant, all to obtain an accolade from an institution that she shitted on for hours on her radio show. The same with 6ix9ine...Why are you so desperate to be crowned by an institution you claim is blackballing you?

I don’t like the message or the look...and for the record, I could give two shits about what happens in the pop world. I’m not a Taylor fan or an Ariana fan.

I’m commenting on this situation because it impacts my culture, my community. Just like I criticized Doja Cat for her anti-black sentiments despite being considered a “colored” woman herself. (However, to me, the tactics her team used to get Say So to go number 1 in no way stacks up to the machinations of 6ix9ine and Nicki Minaj. Say So was already top 5 before the remix and ultimately moved to the top of the charts because of airplay, regardless of how many version of the song they released. Their airplay streams for that week blew everyone else’s out of the water.) I don’t like Doja, at all, but, I’m also not going to draw a false equivalency out of a DESPERATE need to validate the antics of a woman who is almost 15 years older than she is..

I take issue also with a so-called pro-black artist, who lamented for hours about vultures infiltrating the culture, placing a higher value on riding waves by collaborating with someone who has consistently exploited the black community for financial gain than protecting the integrity of the art and culture she claims to love.

It’s a nasty showing.

[rosalina4812]

Jun 16, 2020 17:32:18 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:10:55 GMT -5 kimberly said:

this is a chart forum to discuss things like this. don't come on here if you don't want to read this. no one's forcing you to.

and I do have a life, probably better than yours. 

Obviously you don’t if you whining like a lil bitch over someone trying to get a no. 1. Imagine how pathetic YOU ARE to be putting that much energy into complaining about their tactics.

This is a charts discussion board. Why wouldn't users make a fuss about artists gaming the system? Do you know that most people who want to see the Billboard Hot 100 would want to have them based on authenticity? Just because an artist you like is doing the tactic doesn't make it ok.

[wavey.]

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Nobody is mad at Nicki playing the system.I just think she is being a hypocrite. She had a whole tantrum at not getting a #1 album because of bundles but is using bundles now to get a possible #2 number 1 and was also the same one to say #1s don't matter.

Well she saw how they were when her album dropped and the bundles weren't counted or so. So now that she has the same mgmt as Travis Scott,(I'm sure 69's mgmt has a hand in this as well), why not go for the gusto then. Tekashi seems to be the one more active about hitting number one ever since he flipped about "GOOBA" being close to debuting at #1.

Lol at her being "desperate". That just needs to stop. But think what you want😉

[strongerq]

Jun 16, 2020 17:32:18 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:10:55 GMT -5 kimberly said:

this is a chart forum to discuss things like this. don't come on here if you don't want to read this. no one's forcing you to.

and I do have a life, probably better than yours. 

Obviously you don’t if you whining like a lil bitch over someone trying to get a no. 1. Imagine how pathetic YOU ARE to be putting that much energy into complaining about their tactics.

Ok look where you are. I will help you if you are blind.

[rosalina4812]

Jun 16, 2020 17:37:24 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Nobody is mad at Nicki playing the system.I just think she is being a hypocrite. She had a whole tantrum at not getting a #1 album because of bundles but is using bundles now to get a possible #2 number 1 and was also the same one to say #1s don't matter.

Well she saw how they were when her album dropped and the bundles weren't counted or so. So now that she has the same mgmt as Travis Scott,(I'm sure 69's mgmt has a hand in this as well), why not go for the gusto then. Tekashi seems to be the one more active about hitting number one ever since he flipped about "GOOBA" being close to debuting at #1.

Lol at her being "desperate". That just needs to stop. But think what you want😉

The moment when she said that she'll open a OnlyFans account if the song goes #1 that theory got thrown at the window. She is just as involved.

[wavey.]

Jun 16, 2020 17:40:40 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:37:24 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Well she saw how they were when her album dropped and the bundles weren't counted or so. So now that she has the same mgmt as Travis Scott,(I'm sure 69's mgmt has a hand in this as well), why not go for the gusto then. Tekashi seems to be the one more active about hitting number one ever since he flipped about "GOOBA" being close to debuting at #1.

Lol at her being "desperate". That just needs to stop. But think what you want😉

The moment when she said that she'll open a OnlyFans account if the song goes #1 that theory got thrown at the window. She is just as involved.

You think she was serious? Ok.

[chebad]

Jun 16, 2020 17:34:52 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5 m450n said:

It also has 100 million views on Youtube... GOOBA didn't do much better on Apple Music or Spotify than TROLLZ is doing now yet logged 55.3 million U.S. streams (according to Billboard.)

I just feel like people here are conveniently leaving out TROLLZ youtube streams.

OK if you say so. Then it is a fact.

Apple Music is just as bad if not worse!

YouTube streams are no longer given as much weight in Billboard’s calculations, not since it was discovered artists were using truncated songs to accumulate streams, which in turn translated to higher chart placement. (Also, if I’m not mistaken, some of Trollz early streams have already been discounted.) This is why nobody is bringing up the YT views. They aren’t given nearly as much weight as other factors considered in Billboard’s chart algorithm.

[m450n]

Jun 16, 2020 17:32:00 GMT -5 rosalina4812 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5 m450n said:

It also has 100 million views on Youtube... GOOBA didn't do much better on Apple Music or Spotify than TROLLZ is doing now yet logged 55.3 million U.S. streams (according to Billboard.)

I just feel like people here are conveniently leaving out TROLLZ youtube streams.

Why would we consider BOTS?

Exactly, this is the problem. Obviously they are not all bots, if you are throwing off all of TROLLZ's views as 'bots' then you will be very surprised on Monday when Billboard disagrees with you.

[annoymous1]

Jun 16, 2020 17:35:29 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Nobody is mad at Nicki playing the system.I just think she is being a hypocrite. She had a whole tantrum at not getting a #1 album because of bundles but is using bundles now to get a possible #2 number 1 and was also the same one to say #1s don't matter.

Or maybe she’s gaming the system like everyone else. The fact that people are screaming hypocrisy when everyone is doing and she called them out for actually selling more is just people being haters.

I'm not even being a hater like good for her if she manages to pull out a second #1 but it does give me the side-eye w/ her past statements prior to getting her #1.

[m450n]

Jun 16, 2020 17:34:52 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -5 m450n said:

It also has 100 million views on Youtube... GOOBA didn't do much better on Apple Music or Spotify than TROLLZ is doing now yet logged 55.3 million U.S. streams (according to Billboard.)

I just feel like people here are conveniently leaving out TROLLZ youtube streams.

OK if you say so. Then it is a fact.

Apple Music is just as bad if not worse!        

I like how you left out my entire first part of my argument that it already has 100 million views on Youtube. My main point was that GOOBA's primary streaming service was YouTube just like TROLLZ...

[wavey.]

At the end of the day, if it hits number 1..so what? We move on. If it hits number 2..we move on.

We move on.

Jun 16, 2020 17:45:48 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:35:29 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Or maybe she’s gaming the system like everyone else. The fact that people are screaming hypocrisy when everyone is doing and she called them out for actually selling more is just people being haters.

I'm not even being a hater like good for her if she manages to pull out a second #1 but it does give me the side-eye w/ her past statements prior to getting her #1.

She didn't say much noise when the Say So Remix went one. Like I said, Tekashi seems to be the one verbally aiming for #1 after his GOOBA mess. We'll see what she says IF it hits #1.

[amid]

Jun 16, 2020 14:45:32 GMT -5 inverse said:

On the topic of Lil Baby why did the godawful We Paid shoot up to 34 last week and is that sustainable? I thought he was pushing Emotionally Scarred as the next single (before The Bigger Picture)

We Paid was #2 on Apple Music all of last week and is still #3. It was also hanging around the YouTube top 10 if I recall correctly. I honestly expected it to go higher than 34 with such insane streaming numbers, but it’s definitely gonna continue rising, because it’s now doing better on Spotify to match the AM and YT. I think Emotionally Scarred was supposed to be the next single but We Paid just took off organically (Idk why; it’s ass). 

[rosalina4812]

Jun 16, 2020 17:44:07 GMT -5 chebad said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:34:52 GMT -5 strongerq said:

OK if you say so. Then it is a fact.

Apple Music is just as bad if not worse!

YouTube streams are no longer given as much weight in Billboard’s calculations, not since it was discovered artists were using truncated songs to accumulate streams, which in turn translated to higher chart placement. (Also, if I’m not mistaken, some of Trollz early streams have already been discounted.) This is why nobody is bringing up the YT views. They aren’t given nearly as much weight as other factors considered in Billboard’s chart algorithm.

Thank Kpop for that. Even groups that haven't even touched foot on the US rank higher that known rappers here on the Trending section on Youtube. For some reason. 

[arg991]

Jun 16, 2020 17:37:50 GMT -5 strongerq said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:32:18 GMT -5 arg991 said:

Obviously you don’t if you whining like a lil bitch over someone trying to get a no. 1. Imagine how pathetic YOU ARE to be putting that much energy into complaining about their tactics.

Ok look where you are. I will help you if you are blind.

Yes CHART DISCUSSION section not the whiny a** adults complaining about artists they don’t like trying to get a no. 1 learn the difference sis.

[annoymous1]

Jun 16, 2020 17:37:24 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Jun 16, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Nobody is mad at Nicki playing the system.I just think she is being a hypocrite. She had a whole tantrum at not getting a #1 album because of bundles but is using bundles now to get a possible #2 number 1 and was also the same one to say #1s don't matter.

Well she saw how they were when her album dropped and the bundles weren't counted or so. So now that she has the same mgmt as Travis Scott,(I'm sure 69's mgmt has a hand in this as well), why not go for the gusto then. Tekashi seems to be the one more active about hitting number one ever since he flipped about "GOOBA" being close to debuting at #1.

Lol at her being "desperate". That just needs to stop. But think what you want😉

I'll agree to disagree.