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Post by Gary on Jul 28, 2020 15:05:05 GMT -5
From this weeks Five Burning Questions - Billboard staff reflecting on a hypothetical future Drake featuring Madonna collab
5. Drake passes Madonna this week for the most top 10 hits in Billboard Hot 100 history. Given that she seems to be in a collaborative mood lately, would you like to see the two artists team up? Or was Drake's "Madonna" song from five years ago as close as you'd like them to get?
Rania Aniftos: I love Madonna and I love Drake, but I keep thinking of that whole Coachella kiss fiasco from a couple of years ago. I’m leaning toward the two staying far away from each other for now, but I also wouldn’t be opposed to a part two of “Madonna” -- actually featuring Madonna this time.
Bryan Kress: I have to admit this question kind of broke me. First off all, yes. Why not? The possibilities are endless with two superstars who have collectively explored every corner of the pop spectrum, and yet that’s the hitch: What new ground could they break with their combined powers? Still, the curiosity in me is willing to risk the multitude of ways it might not deliver in hopes that one attempt could bring out the best in both. The place to start would be the exact opposite of a “Madonna” remix though.
Mia Nazareno: Yes, I would love to hear a Drake X Madonna track! I enjoy a Drake and DJ Khaled song as much as the next person, but I can’t say that I didn’t expect “another one!” from the frequent collaborators. On the other hand, the much-anticipated collaboration from Dua Lipa, Missy Elliott and Madonna isn’t a total shocker either. At this point, I’m craving something really new from the two pop stars: Both artists have nothing to prove at this point in their respective careers, so it would be unexpected and buzzy if they experimented with genre-fluidity on a joint single.
Andrew Unterberger: I want to believe there's a way to make it work, but I'm not exactly sure how, and Madonna's recent work collaborating with rap's next generation doesn't offer a ton of direction. Perhaps going the other direction, with Madonna guest-gracing a Drake single, is the more plausible path -- we'll have to see if her upcoming turn on Dua Lipa's "Levitate" remix offers any clues on what to do (or what to avoid at all costs) here.
Christine Werthman: I'm good on them keeping six feet apart, even after the pandemic ends.
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Post by divasummer on Jul 28, 2020 15:48:34 GMT -5
I feel old because I don't even think streaming music should be the same as buying it.... I feel like when I start streaming I probably won't feel the same about the song I "streamed" if I didn't buy it... I felt the same way with digital over cd and ownership. Perhaps I will get over it or just listen to the radio and get over music and stop stanning etc???? It's a weird time right now with music. I feel the same. I FINALLY switched to streaming this year. I still buy my favourites on vinyl and have bought a few cds since as well but I’m limiting myself only to my favourites or albums I really enjoy. As for the other discussion, I do agree that streaming doesn’t equal buying, but I think we’ve lived with charts that measure sales for so long, it’s all we’ve known and all we’ve used to measure popularity and success. Yet, a person can only buy an album once (99.9% of the time) whereas a song/album can be streamed for weeks or months after so I do think streaming has a better chance at capturing what people like and listen to. But its reach so far is still so limited that it’s imbalanced and I think still has a lot of bugs to work out. And also, when we look at records like most chart hits and most top tens, those are going to be great achievements no matter how we look at them. I think the reason why many (or at least why I) don’t consider Drake’s achievement to be as extraordinary as it would be on paper is because of what didn’t count before. Drake earned his numbers. No doubt about that. But he earned them in a time that allowed them to be earned. Adele, Britney, Mariah, Michael, Bee Gees, whoever - they had major albums and major eras but only their singles counted toward their totals. I know I know, if ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ were candy and nuts, but I’ve no doubt in my mind that the numbers totals for many of these past artists would be much much higher if the landscape were like it was now. With that said, Drake’s output was also much higher so I’m sure he’d still be among the record holders regardless so maybe it’s a moot point. I guess my point is, it’s less impressive when there are fewer restrictions that allow it to happen. I agree with everything your saying but why doesn't Apple release how many times someone plays a song after they buy it???? I'm pretty sure they could. I know it doesn't make any money for anyone anymore once purchased but it would help show what's most popular? I guess the industry just wants to know what's making money that week and Billboard caters to them. It is an industry publication. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 28, 2020 15:56:44 GMT -5
Baby Yoda- regarding "What's Love...," it's possible that tracks that were pushed off the Hot 100 this week had more points than the KygoXTina track. So, it's not a given that it would have made it to 100 without the J. Cole track. Just an FYI. :)
Also- that Billboard article mentioned Drake had a No. 1 on the BB 200- earlier this year- makes the second article to mix that up.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jul 28, 2020 16:25:31 GMT -5
Baby Yoda- regarding "What's Love...," it's possible that tracks that were pushed off the Hot 100 this week had more points than the KygoXTina track. So, it's not a given that it would have made it to 100 without the J. Cole track. Just an FYI. :) Also- that Billboard article mentioned Drake had a No. 1 on the BB 200- earlier this year- makes the second article to mix that up. Kygo’s own “Lose Somebody” with OneRepublic is #6 on Hot Dance Electronic Songs, while “What’s Love” is #7 and “Breaking Me” by Topic (which debuted on the H100 @ #97) is #5. “Lose Somebody” is below #100, but above #1 on Bubbling Under. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 28, 2020 16:28:40 GMT -5
^Thanks for researching- that makes one track at least. :)
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 28, 2020 18:16:41 GMT -5
Baby Yoda- regarding "What's Love...," it's possible that tracks that were pushed off the Hot 100 this week had more points than the KygoXTina track. So, it's not a given that it would have made it to 100 without the J. Cole track. Just an FYI.  Also- that Billboard article mentioned Drake had a No. 1 on the BB 200- earlier this year- makes the second article to mix that up. Kygo’s own “Lose Somebody” with OneRepublic is #6 on Hot Dance Electronic Songs, while “What’s Love” is #7 and “Breaking Me” by Topic (which debuted on the H100 @ #97) is #5. “Lose Somebody” is below #100, but above #1 on Bubbling Under. OK. Anyway, my point stands. It would have been great for Tina to be back in the Hot 100, even if for only 1 week. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jul 28, 2020 18:39:02 GMT -5
Baby Yoda Hot100Fan we're on the same page. to see it so close to debuting but falling short is super frustrating.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 28, 2020 18:50:54 GMT -5
chart always had its own agenda and purpose with different way of counting, measuring, compiling, I do like cap rule as random non single appearing for 1 week and bombing whole top100 is ridiculous also Hot100 as single chart, having 5 cap doesn't really make chart less accurate for "single" chart. I guess it's depends on how you view the hot 100 chart, there's room for interpretation. It’s arbitrary though. If we could come to a definition for what a single is, sure, but that definition is so loose now. Putting any cap on the chart makes no sense other than to prevent someone from having more than five songs on the chart, which is just petty. |
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Post by spoons on Jul 28, 2020 20:06:23 GMT -5
If Post Malone doesnt release anything this year and gets #1 song and album, payola is real!!!
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Post by atg on Jul 28, 2020 22:52:10 GMT -5
at this point, is there any Drake track in the last 5 years that didn't chart on the H100? Wizkid - Come Closer (feat. Drake) [2017]. There’s also that swae lee song, won’t be late ft drake |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 22:56:57 GMT -5
Wizkid - Come Closer (feat. Drake) [2017]. There’s also that swae lee song, won’t be late ft drake that charted |
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Post by lurker2 on Jul 28, 2020 23:08:41 GMT -5
chart always had its own agenda and purpose with different way of counting, measuring, compiling, I do like cap rule as random non single appearing for 1 week and bombing whole top100 is ridiculous also Hot100 as single chart, having 5 cap doesn't really make chart less accurate for "single" chart. I guess it's depends on how you view the hot 100 chart, there's room for interpretation. It’s arbitrary though. If we could come to a definition for what a single is, sure, but that definition is so loose now. Putting any cap on the chart makes no sense other than to prevent someone from having more than five songs on the chart, which is just petty. Like, The Box wasn't a single when it hit number one. And Rags2Riches is just outside of the top 40 and not a single. I kind of get it, since I doubt people will remember Juice WRLD album cut #12, but if that's what people are listening to then so be it. Longevity is why we have the Year and Decade ends. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 29, 2020 0:48:03 GMT -5
Wizkid - Come Closer (feat. Drake) [2017]. There’s also that swae lee song, won’t be late ft drake Won't Be Late debuted and peaked at #75 on the Hot 100. |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 29, 2020 1:07:24 GMT -5
chart always had its own agenda and purpose with different way of counting, measuring, compiling, I do like cap rule as random non single appearing for 1 week and bombing whole top100 is ridiculous also Hot100 as single chart, having 5 cap doesn't really make chart less accurate for "single" chart. I guess it's depends on how you view the hot 100 chart, there's room for interpretation. It’s arbitrary though. If we could come to a definition for what a single is, sure, but that definition is so loose now. Putting any cap on the chart makes no sense other than to prevent someone from having more than five songs on the chart, which is just petty. I agree. The UK charts have introduced the 3-song cap after Ed Sheeran notoriously claimed 14 of Top 15 spots. Luckily, the US has not seen such massacre at the top of the charts—Sheeran had the entire Top 6 to himself, which has never been done before on the Hot 100. Ariana Grande and The Beatles are the only two acts that locked the entire Top 3. Even then, the rules the UK charts introduced to manipulate their charts has been highly controversial and made the charts less accurate (the ACR thing is such a horrid idea? whoever came up with it deserves to be fired lol). That being said, charts are a product and can never be fully representative of what song is most popular, and the entities that produce these charts can change them however they desire. So I wouldn't be surprised if Billboard introduced a new rule, but I highly doubt they would (at least not exactly in the way you/UK charts prefer). I could see them weighting album cut streams down somehow or when/if streaming services make the data available, count streams of songs on albums less than those who came for the specific song. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 29, 2020 2:36:02 GMT -5
The inclusion of airplay (and sales to an extent) is the only reason why US Hot 100 hasn't had that kind of dominance yet. Didn't Juice Wrld just have top 5 in streaming songs?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 29, 2020 11:47:35 GMT -5
I think the week 25 was released, Adele could have done it if there was a way to incorporate album sales into the song's chart.
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Post by atg on Jul 29, 2020 13:01:04 GMT -5
There’s also that swae lee song, won’t be late ft drake Won't Be Late debuted and peaked at #75 on the Hot 100. Damn that song was honestly so forgettable i forgot it even did |
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Post by thelegends on Jul 29, 2020 13:57:01 GMT -5
I think the week 25 was released, Adele could have done it if there was a way to incorporate album sales into the song's chart. When 25 was released, artists weren’t as desperate about a #1 as now, and Adele didn’t care about a #1 on the Hot 100 at all. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 29, 2020 13:57:32 GMT -5
I think the week 25 was released, Adele could have done it if there was a way to incorporate album sales into the song's chart. When 25 was released, artists weren’t as desperate about a #1 as now, and Adele didn’t care about a #1 on the Hot 100 at all. Ok... that's hardly the point of anything. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 29, 2020 15:14:18 GMT -5
The fact that songs help albums on the BB200 but albums can't impact the Hot 100 in the same way has been a divisive topic for a while now.
I remember Billboard getting questions about it back when Hilary Duff was getting easy #1 albums yet her lead single didn't even chart on the Hot 100 ("Fly").
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Post by strongerq on Jul 29, 2020 16:00:19 GMT -5
^Well thankfully, that isn't a problem anymore. With streaming increasing each year by a large amount in the U.S. (according to Nielsen Year End Reports from the past few years) and sales decreasing by a huge amount each year (they aren't irrelevant yet, but the bundlng rule will be a huge hit to them). Last year only 2 albums had 500K+ pure sales (Lover crossed 1M).
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Post by Naos on Jul 29, 2020 19:57:54 GMT -5
I think the week 25 was released, Adele could have done it if there was a way to incorporate album sales into the song's chart. When 25 was released, artists weren’t as desperate about a #1 as now, and Adele didn’t care about a #1 on the Hot 100 at all. The point is, her songs were clearly very, very popular and the songs chart did not reflect that. |
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Post by garrettlen on Jul 29, 2020 20:14:13 GMT -5
STUDIO ALBUMS1963 - 2 1964 - 9 1965 - 5 1966 - 2 1967 - 2 1968 - 1 1969 - 2 1970 - 1 COMPLIATION ALBUMS1964 - 6 1965 - 6 1966 - 2 1967 - 2 1968 - 0 1969 - 1 1970 - 3 I know you are quoting wikipedia but you might want to research those numbers a bit Multiple labels had rights to the Beatles early recordings and rushed to get anything and everything out to market to cash in One particular example that wikipedia lists as a Beatles album Jolly What! England's Greatest Recording Stars: The Beatles and Frank Ifield on Stage Here is the tracklist Track listing Applies to both original ("Jolly What!") and reissued version ("The Beatles & Frank Ifield on Stage" with picture of Beatles on front).[3][4][5] Side 1[5][6] "Please Please Me" – The Beatles "Anytime" – Frank Ifield "Lovesick Blues" – Frank Ifield "I'm Smiling Now" – Frank Ifield "Nobody's Darling" – Frank Ifield "From Me to You" – The Beatles Side 2[5][7] "I Remember You" – Frank Ifield "Ask Me Why" – The Beatles "Thank You Girl" – The Beatles "The Wayward Wind" – Frank Ifield "Unchained Melody" – Frank Ifield "I Listen to My Heart" – Frank Ifield Not really a Beatles album - and not something the Beatles themselves released - there are lots of other examples Before they subsequently went bankrupt and then out of business, Veejay records (who owned the rights to some of the Beatles early recordings after Capitol originally turned them down) repackaged the Beatles songs on so many different albums in 1964 it reached the point of ridiculousness. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jul 30, 2020 13:04:38 GMT -5
Taylor might match Mariah and Stevie next week!
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Post by ccchui on Jul 30, 2020 13:13:02 GMT -5
Did anyone post the full chart for this week yet? I seems to have a hard time to find it in this thread. (Or is the chart cannot be posted here anymore because of legal stuff?)
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 30, 2020 13:28:22 GMT -5
Did anyone post the full chart for this week yet? I seems to have a hard time to find it in this thread. (Or is the chart cannot be posted here anymore because of legal stuff?) first question - No second - Not sure about that, but I doubt it |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 30, 2020 13:34:03 GMT -5
^^No. They didn't. They stopped posting charts probably since people have been complaining that it made these threads too long. You can always consult the Billboard website for the Hot 100 chart or better yet, acharts.
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Post by ccchui on Jul 30, 2020 13:51:35 GMT -5
^^No. They didn't. They stopped posting charts probably since people have been complaining that it made these threads too long. You can always consult the Billboard website for the Hot 100 chart or better yet, acharts. Oh that is too bad the whole Hot 100 chart don't post here anymore. I always come here weekly specifically look for that. Oh well. |
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Post by gabe on Jul 30, 2020 13:59:17 GMT -5
^^No. They didn't. They stopped posting charts probably since people have been complaining that it made these threads too long. You can always consult the Billboard website for the Hot 100 chart or better yet, acharts. Oh that is too bad the whole Hot 100 chart don't post here anymore. I always come here weekly specifically look for that. Oh well. |
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