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Post by kimberly on Aug 4, 2020 16:43:56 GMT -5
Was there ever a year where the average chart run of the #1 songs was weaker? Honestly, outside of Blinding Lights, AIWFCIY, Rockstar and Circles, the #1s really weren't all that impressive so far. Though, then again, with how wild this year has been, that is understandable "TROLLZ" broke the record for the shortest run for a #1 song, "Say So (Remix)" only lasted 2 weeks, "Stuck with U" "The Scotts" "Toosie Slide" and "Rain on Me" are all crashing before they go recurrent. I don't think any other year has been worse. Granted some of these will rebound next week and perhaps "TROLLZ" can come back for a week or two, but pretty horrible runs for #1 singles regardless. |
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Post by iHype. on Aug 4, 2020 16:44:08 GMT -5
Lmao at The Box's chart run not being impressive and 'fairly fast'. Hereeeeee we go.
It's going to reach 9-10 months charting. It did absolutely fine. What y'all also seem to miss is when an artist releases many hits after a #1 that shortens the overall chart life of the #1.
Roddy had Ballin', High Fashion, Rockstar, and is currently top 5 on Apple Music with "The Woo". Blinding Lights & Circles for example have lasted so long because they literally had no hits after. In Your Eyes and Take What You Want died shortly after arrival.
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Post by After Minutes on Aug 4, 2020 16:46:37 GMT -5
Lmao at The Box's chart run not being impressive and 'fairly fast'. Hereeeeee we go. It's going to reach 9-10 months charting. It did absolutely fine. What y'all also seem to miss is when an artist releases many hits after a #1 that shortens the overall chart life of the #1. Roddy had Ballin', High Fashion, Rockstar, and is currently top 5 on Apple Music with "The Woo". Blinding Lights & Circles for example have lasted so long because they literally had no hits after. In Your Eyes and Take What You Want died shortly after arrival. I'm not saying that The Box was a fad or anything, Roddy is proving himself to be a hitmaker, but the chart run that it is having after peaking isn't necessarily impressive, rather average at best. Yeah, but In Your Eyes was (don't hate me for this XO fam) a bad single choice, while Take What You Want wasn't even a proper single for a very long time |
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Post by iHype. on Aug 4, 2020 16:52:14 GMT -5
Lmao at The Box's chart run not being impressive and 'fairly fast'. Hereeeeee we go. It's going to reach 9-10 months charting. It did absolutely fine. What y'all also seem to miss is when an artist releases many hits after a #1 that shortens the overall chart life of the #1. Roddy had Ballin', High Fashion, Rockstar, and is currently top 5 on Apple Music with "The Woo". Blinding Lights & Circles for example have lasted so long because they literally had no hits after. In Your Eyes and Take What You Want died shortly after arrival. I'm not saying that The Box was a fad or anything, Roddy is proving himself to be a hitmaker, but the chart run that it is having after peaking isn't necessarily impressive, rather average at best. Yeah, but In Your Eyes was (don't hate me for this XO fam) a bad single choice, while Take What You Want wasn't even a proper single for a very long time People have moved on to various other hits from him. Why would The Box still be charting steady when he has released 3-4 follow up hits after? Those newer hits are now being streamed, and they are now being played in place at many radio stations. |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 4, 2020 16:56:20 GMT -5
I'm not saying that The Box was a fad or anything, Roddy is proving himself to be a hitmaker, but the chart run that it is having after peaking isn't necessarily impressive, rather average at best. Yeah, but In Your Eyes was (don't hate me for this XO fam) a bad single choice, while Take What You Want wasn't even a proper single for a very long time People have moved on to various other hits from him. Why would The Box still be charting steady when he has released 3-4 follow up hits after? Those newer hits are now being streamed, and they are now being played in place at many radio stations. the poster isn't saying The Box wasn't a strong #1 at all, their post just points out the fact that its chart run isn't impressive. Especially considering how strong it was at #1. There are legitimate reasons as to why the chart run is cut short, but I think we all agree that it could have lasted much longer in the Top 10 in an alternate universe. |
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Post by shaz196 on Aug 4, 2020 16:59:22 GMT -5
Rap hits typically get dropped hard and fast by radio so they don't maintain the same longevity as songs like Circles or Blinding Lights, this isn't anything new. The fact that people are predicting ROCKSTAR will suffer from the same fate says it all.
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Post by iHype. on Aug 4, 2020 17:02:51 GMT -5
People have moved on to various other hits from him. Why would The Box still be charting steady when he has released 3-4 follow up hits after? Those newer hits are now being streamed, and they are now being played in place at many radio stations. the poster isn't saying The Box wasn't a strong #1 at all, their post just points out the fact that its chart run isn't impressive. Especially considering how strong it was at #1. There are legitimate reasons as to why the chart run is cut short, but I think we all agree that it could have lasted much longer in the Top 10 in an alternate universe. I am aware, I never said anything about it's power at #1. I said it wouldn't be continuing to chart crazy for months after when he has pushed a handful of hits directly after. I also don't think 25 weeks (6 MONTHS) top 10 has ever been disappointing. That's similar to God's Plan which spent also spent 12 weeks #1 & 26 weeks top 10. Drake pushed an unthinkable amount of hits after. This is also similar to Rihanna's #1's & Thank U Next/7 Rings. When you push lots of singles right after a song goes #1 that pretty much undeniably cuts the overall chart life shorter. |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 4, 2020 17:07:13 GMT -5
Rap hits typically get dropped hard and fast by radio so they don't maintain the same longevity as songs like Circles or Blinding Lights, this isn't anything new. The fact that people are predicting ROCKSTAR will suffer from the same fate says it all. SICKO MODE begs to differ skdjdks but yes this is an important point. There have been select few hiphop songs that lasted long on the chart's upper ranks but majority of them are left with streaming to sustain longevity, as opposed to songs like "Adore You" or "Blinding Lights" that, while doing good in streams, are where they are mostly thanks to radio. Even though The Box didn't have the most impressive chart run, it still is way above average among this year's No. 1 hits lol. |
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Post by iHype. on Aug 4, 2020 17:31:10 GMT -5
For most long charting hits in the upper charts it comes down to
1. Not releasing multiple follow-up singles
2. Having AC/HAC airplay, which are the slowest radio formats.
Obviously rappers usually meet neither. The Box's total numbers are still amazing though, I'm pretty sure it'll probably reach Diamond. Songs like Adore You & Blinding Lights remain far away from it in consumption even if they continue to chart high for longer due to radio play.
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Post by strongerq on Aug 4, 2020 18:38:39 GMT -5
^Regarding 'The Box', it is at 850M+ On Demand Audio Streams & 200K sales after 34 weeks.The Video streaming isn't as impressive, but it should go Diamond either next year (most likely) or the year after (2022). Depending how fast it drops on streaming.
A song like 'Circles' on the other hand despite its impressive top 10 run, it only had 1 week with 30M+ ODAS and 2 additional weeks with 20M+ ODAS. Those weeks are: song release week, album release week(30M) & album's second week. If someone had to pick a song that would go Diamond first from the songs that dominated 2020, this would have be the first choice. 
Another interesting thing is 'Say So' after 38 weeks has less streams than 'High Fashion' (33 weeks). They are both close, it's not a big difference ~20M ODAS. But 'Say So' is dropping fast on weekly basis, while 'High Fashion' is stable.
Not only is 'Adore You' far away in consumption, it is behind songs like 'Suicidal', 'Falling', 'Blueberry Faugo', 'Toosie Slide' etc.
And last but not least: When the year ends, 'Sunflower' will have accumulated more units in 2020 than some #1 singles. The honour will go to 'TROLLZ', 'Stuck with U', 'THE SCOTTS', 'Rain On Me'.
Note: This is not meant as Artist A vs Artist B comparisson. Just some facts that are interesting and surprising at the same time.
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 4, 2020 19:31:31 GMT -5
@killamonjaro - Here's an excerpt from one of my favorite essays explaining this: Perhaps I used the term "sexist" wrong in my post last night. I apologize if I did. I pretty much agree with what is in the excerpts from the above essays and what most of the posters have said in their posts about this issue. It is like the definition of the word racist which I also agree with. Anyway, I do not believe I am a sexist, but if I have been perceived as such, then I am sorry because I truly don't think that way. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 4, 2020 19:57:17 GMT -5
Focusing on rarer achievements is not the same thing as sexism For example, between Raise Your Glass and Cardigan there were numerous solo #1's by solo men in their 30's and even 40's. The implication being that it's a lot harder to get #1 as a woman in your 30's. So it's not sexist against men to pay more attention to solo #1's by women in their 30's when they're so much harder to achieve. Beyond that, the vast majority of hate posts on Pulse are directed towards women beyond a couple specific songs such as Someone You Loved
Well, I agree with everything in your post except that last point. There is a ton of hate, whether "deserved" or not, thrown at successful male artists on Pulse, whether it's Capaldi (not just Someone You Loved, but all of his songs and his voice in general), Maroon 5, Ed Sheeran (Especially Perfect and its chart longevity), Drake (by some people), Chris Brown, R. Kelly, 6ix9nine, XXXtentacion, Justin Timberlake... I'm not saying that female artists don't get their fair share of hate by some posters, but it's innaccurate to say it makes up the vast majority beyond "a couple specific songs by male artists." Itβs a board of gays. Weβre just not as interested in male artists. Itβs not that deep in the way youβre suggesting. π€·ββοΈ |
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Post by rosalina4812 on Aug 4, 2020 21:14:22 GMT -5
Well, I agree with everything in your post except that last point. There is a ton of hate, whether "deserved" or not, thrown at successful male artists on Pulse, whether it's Capaldi (not just Someone You Loved, but all of his songs and his voice in general), Maroon 5, Ed Sheeran (Especially Perfect and its chart longevity), Drake (by some people), Chris Brown, R. Kelly, 6ix9nine, XXXtentacion, Justin Timberlake... I'm not saying that female artists don't get their fair share of hate by some posters, but it's innaccurate to say it makes up the vast majority beyond "a couple specific songs by male artists." Itβs a board of gays. Weβre just not as interested in male artists. Itβs not that deep in the way youβre suggesting. π€·ββοΈ What if you are gay, wouldn't you like male artists more? The male anatomy sure can be confusing... |
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Post by Naos on Aug 4, 2020 21:21:33 GMT -5
Itβs a board of gays. Weβre just not as interested in male artists. Itβs not that deep in the way youβre suggesting. π€·ββοΈ What if you are gay, wouldn't you like male artists more? The male anatomy sure can be confusing... Not exactly. When a straight man admires a female artist, it may have nothing to do with their music, but rather how hot they find them. You'll probably find a similar thing with the gay people here. They could find someone attractive but have no interest in their art. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 4, 2020 21:37:34 GMT -5
What if you are gay, wouldn't you like male artists more? The male anatomy sure can be confusing... Not exactly. When a straight man admires a female artist, it may have nothing to do with their music, but rather how hot they find them. You'll probably find a similar thing with the gay people here. They could find someone attractive but have no interest in their art. I actually never thought of it like that before tbh - as in, made that comparison where straight men rarely give female musicians any credit or interest, likewise gay men rarely give the time to male musicians. (Exceptions of course. I KNOW there are exceptions) |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 4, 2020 21:58:34 GMT -5
Itβs a board of gays. Weβre just not as interested in male artists. Itβs not that deep in the way youβre suggesting. π€·ββοΈ What if you are gay, wouldn't you like male artists more? The male anatomy sure can be confusing... *suddenly all straight men bumping The Weeknd and DaBaby and not bumping any women realize they're gay* gay men and their admiration for women musicians go back decades, but the most convincing idea I found was that both groups suffer from patriarchy and toxic masculinity and are oppressed by cishet men, making women musicians' experience more relatable for queer men compared to straight men. (one could also use a heteronormative argument about how women usually sing about their romantic experiences with men, which makes the songs more applicable to gay men. this could be contested and isn't the most inclusive approach, I think.) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 22:27:35 GMT -5
Not exactly. When a straight man admires a female artist, it may have nothing to do with their music, but rather how hot they find them. You'll probably find a similar thing with the gay people here. They could find someone attractive but have no interest in their art. I actually never thought of it like that before tbh - as in, made that comparison where straight men rarely give female musicians any credit or interest, likewise gay men rarely give the time to male musicians. (Exceptions of course. I KNOW there are exceptions) Well if weβre gonna go there..Yeah I donβt think most straight men are even on that level of thinking about male vs female musicians. Not everything is about sexual orientation. |
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Post by andrebra on Aug 4, 2020 22:39:48 GMT -5
This discussion kind of leads into a question that I have had for awhile, and I don't want to offend anyone, but what do most of you identify as (men, women, non-binary, etc.)? I am a straight man but I have always been more interested in female artists, which I have come to learn is definitely not common, but I've always been curious as to how many of you view musicians of the same or different sex as you and how the trends usually go. Again, I've just been curious, but I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable by my asking, so if it comes across as offensive, please know it is not my intent :)
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Post by higilo on Aug 4, 2020 23:33:40 GMT -5
I identify as a man and have a tendency to listen to more male than female artists. This isn't intentional, and I definitely do still listen to a lot of female artists.
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Post by aussie1 on Aug 5, 2020 0:35:20 GMT -5
What if you are gay, wouldn't you like male artists more? The male anatomy sure can be confusing... Not exactly. When a straight man admires a female artist, it may have nothing to do with their music, but rather how hot they find them. You'll probably find a similar thing with the gay people here. They could find someone attractive but have no interest in their art.Jason Derulo for example. |
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Post by kimberly on Aug 5, 2020 0:57:48 GMT -5
Not exactly. When a straight man admires a female artist, it may have nothing to do with their music, but rather how hot they find them. You'll probably find a similar thing with the gay people here. They could find someone attractive but have no interest in their art.Jason Derulo for example. is Savage Love art? more importantly, does it belong to Jason? very debatable. :kii: |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 5, 2020 2:08:16 GMT -5
Most pop music by straight men is obviously just plain boring, simple as that. I think even straight men themselves can agree to some extent.
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Post by higilo on Aug 5, 2020 3:37:40 GMT -5
Most pop music by straight men is obviously just plain boring, simple as that. I think even straight men themselves can agree to some extent. What a dumb, very subjective statement. Juice, Harry, and the Weeknd are 3 of my favourite pop artists of the year and are far from 'plain boring'. Although I'm not really sure on their sexualities, but it shouldn't and doesn't matter. |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 5, 2020 3:43:28 GMT -5
That's why I said "most"! I think Harry at least has the joyful queerness in his art regardless of his sexuality.
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Post by thelegends on Aug 5, 2020 6:01:11 GMT -5
Most pop music by straight men is obviously just plain boring, simple as that. I think even straight men themselves can agree to some extent. What a dumb, very subjective statement. Juice, Harry, and the Weeknd are 3 of my favourite pop artists of the year and are far from 'plain boring'. Although I'm not really sure on their sexualities, but it shouldn't and doesn't matter. I wouldnβt really consider Jarrad and Abel as pop. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 5, 2020 6:52:28 GMT -5
What a dumb, very subjective statement. Juice, Harry, and the Weeknd are 3 of my favourite pop artists of the year and are far from 'plain boring'. Although I'm not really sure on their sexualities, but it shouldn't and doesn't matter. I wouldnβt really consider Jarrad and Abel as pop. Iβm sure itβs being used in a very general sense in this case. |
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Post by failstoner on Aug 5, 2020 6:54:04 GMT -5
What a dumb, very subjective statement. Juice, Harry, and the Weeknd are 3 of my favourite pop artists of the year and are far from 'plain boring'. Although I'm not really sure on their sexualities, but it shouldn't and doesn't matter. I wouldnβt really consider Jarrad and Abel as pop. why not? both albums from them in 2020 were pop-centric |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 5, 2020 7:07:28 GMT -5
On my current "best new music" playlist there are three (most likely) heterosexual men who can be labeled as pop artists. Quite plenty of rappers though.
Not sure about the sexuality of Kygo and Joel Corry but not interested about that really either, both make bangers.
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Post by forg on Aug 5, 2020 7:37:12 GMT -5
Straight guy here and I generally lean to pop music regardless of gender as long as the song is catchy and captures my attention. But I admit when I was a stupid teen, I was a closet fan of female pop artists and pop boybands too because I don't want to be teased about my sexuality and peer pressure says a man should be more into rock or hip hop. Of course, now as an adult in this era I'm ashamed I thought that way before.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 5, 2020 8:52:42 GMT -5
Most pop music by straight men is obviously just plain boring, simple as that. I think even straight men themselves can agree to some extent. What does this even mean? What does sexuality have to do with the quality of one's music? Smh. |
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