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Post by wavey. on Aug 22, 2020 11:30:14 GMT -5
Not fake #1s lmao. It's always something.
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Post by Mathgeek on Aug 22, 2020 11:33:14 GMT -5
BTS still has about 60k orders on their D2C site ranging anywhere from 1-8 units each. They just added 2 more versions on top that and fans are funding each other left & right. I wouldn’t count them out just yet. While the order numbers may be impressive, we don’t know how many of the purchases are from the US and how many of the buyers adhered to the bulk buying rules. The site limited sales of each item to 4 units. As for global sales, this is true but it also looks like there was massive communication that this was for USA sales only. I can’t wait to see what these numbers are and if they report early or wait until the last minute to report |
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Post by rosalina4812 on Aug 22, 2020 11:44:33 GMT -5
As long as we're getting fake #1's, Billboard will remain a complete joke. Cope |
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Post by ddlz on Aug 22, 2020 11:47:57 GMT -5
That BTS song is not the most popular song in America right now, not even close. If it goes #1, it will be because Billboard formula is flawed and because the rules are still not strict enough and easy to manipulate.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 22, 2020 11:48:49 GMT -5
That BTS song is not the most popular song in America right now, not even close. If it goes #1, it will be because Billboard formula is flawed and because the rules are still not strict enough and easy to manipulate. And this particular song is the one that brought you to this conclusion? |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Aug 22, 2020 11:56:11 GMT -5
That BTS song is not the most popular song in America right now, not even close. If it goes #1, it will be because Billboard formula is flawed and because the rules are still not strict enough and easy to manipulate. |
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Post by Mathgeek on Aug 22, 2020 11:58:55 GMT -5
I’m so confused about what makes a song a valid #1. They took away the bundling where artists could sell things that wouldn’t ship anytime soon but still count song sales. Great, considering that “valid” #1s have all used this strategy.
An artist does in fact have strong streams so far as well as sales and yet their chart placement is still not legit? From what I can tell, even Dynamite’s vinyls and cassettes are shipping now for first week impact.
What makes one song more legitimate than the other?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 22, 2020 12:01:19 GMT -5
^It wouldn't be the first questionable one this year, for sure!
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Post by strongerq on Aug 22, 2020 12:16:36 GMT -5
I’m so confused about what makes a song a valid #1. They took away the bundling where artists could sell things that wouldn’t ship anytime soon but still count song sales. Great, considering that “valid” #1s have all used this strategy. An artist does in fact have strong streams so far as well as sales and yet their chart placement is still not legit? From what I can tell, even Dynamite’s vinyls and cassettes are shipping now for first week impact. What makes one song more legitimate than the other? Every song that goes #1 is a valid number one song. It is based on Billboard's formula and in that certain week, the song had the most points.
Now a lot of people (myself included) think that buying 4 copies of the same song is pointless, only 1 should count max. A large amount of people (smaller than the previous group) think that sales are weighted too much. 1 sale = 250 paid streams = 375 free streams = 500 programed streams/UGC = 1,200 radio audience
If Dynamite goes #1 it will be just as valid as The Box, Say So, TROLLZ, ROCKSTAR... Based on the rules that applied to them in the weeks they went #1.
What people are saying is: If Billboard had better rules TROLLZ would never hit #1 (not even top 5), but the horse is already beaten to the death so there is no point...
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Post by Mathgeek on Aug 22, 2020 12:27:25 GMT -5
^^ Thank you. This, I understand!
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Post by ddlz on Aug 22, 2020 12:28:56 GMT -5
That BTS song is not the most popular song in America right now, not even close. If it goes #1, it will be because Billboard formula is flawed and because the rules are still not strict enough and easy to manipulate. And this particular song is the one that brought you to this conclusion? No, this is my way of saying that Billboard needs to go back to the drawing board and work some more on straightening out the rules so that their charts could reflect the actual reality of the music consumption. |
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Post by Choco on Aug 22, 2020 12:32:03 GMT -5
Seems like a bulk of their streams got discounted. Jeez, I wonder why. Asap Ferg didn't report the streams to prevent them from getting a #1 I think. Or was that another song? So many attempts to artificially inflate peaks this year. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 22, 2020 12:49:04 GMT -5
^For MYH , I believe it was sales not streaming that went unreported.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 22, 2020 13:15:43 GMT -5
Seems like a bulk of their streams got discounted. Jeez, I wonder why. Asap Ferg didn't report the streams to prevent them from getting a #1 I think. Or was that another song? So many attempts to artificially inflate peaks this year. That was for Move Your Hips - another song. And I believe it was sales that allegedly went unreported, not streams. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 22, 2020 13:19:32 GMT -5
Well 6-week sales #1 Gangnam Style should've been #1, so think of it as justice for k-pop, if this happens.
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Post by rosalina4812 on Aug 22, 2020 13:25:44 GMT -5
Well 6-week sales #1 Gangnam Style should've been #1, so think of it as justice for k-pop, if this happens. I assume YouTube wasn't counted at the time? |
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Post by fridayteenage on Aug 22, 2020 13:29:58 GMT -5
Well 6-week sales #1 Gangnam Style should've been #1, so think of it as justice for k-pop, if this happens. I assume YouTube wasn't counted at the time? No, they decided the 6-week sales #1's huge Youtube views weren't a good motivation to change their chart rules. But mediocre 0-week sales #1 Harlem Shake was a good motivator because white male mediocrity. |
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Post by nak on Aug 22, 2020 13:53:41 GMT -5
Fake #1 aren't a thing. A song with instant support from a large hardcore fan group, or a song with gradual support from casual listeners, are both just as valid.
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Post by Gary on Aug 22, 2020 13:58:35 GMT -5
If BTS manages to get the streams and the sales to be #1 would it still be a "fake #1"?
It is getting the sales but digital sales alone are not going to put this at #1.
Or is it just "fake" because it is BTS?
Also can someone define what a "fake #1" actually is?
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Post by Xander on Aug 22, 2020 14:09:46 GMT -5
While the order numbers may be impressive, we don’t know how many of the purchases are from the US and how many of the buyers adhered to the bulk buying rules. The site limited sales of each item to 4 units. As for global sales, this is true but it also looks like there was massive communication that this was for USA sales only. I can’t wait to see what these numbers are and if they report early or wait until the last minute to report it’s 4 copies per card, which the site can’t limit users from going over. Barbz mass bought Move ya hips (60k+ order numbers), yet only a few thousand counted. We’ll have to wait and see. |
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Post by strongerq on Aug 22, 2020 14:42:38 GMT -5
This should be interesting
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Post by Limited Edition on Aug 22, 2020 14:50:29 GMT -5
This should be interesting Calvin Harris finally having another hit in the US? |
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Post by livelightning on Aug 22, 2020 14:57:03 GMT -5
Anyone else think Dynamite sounds like it would be a huge hit in like 2014? 😂 Exactly my thoughts |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 22, 2020 15:15:17 GMT -5
The new Travis single seems like it'll be a non-factor. Over 16 hours after it's release and it's #76 on Apple Music US.
I wonder if the forthcoming Calvin Harris/the Weeknd single will do any damage.
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Post by Mayman on Aug 22, 2020 15:19:50 GMT -5
The new Travis single seems like it'll be a non-factor. Over 16 hours after it's release and it's #76 on Apple Music US. I wonder if the forthcoming Calvin Harris/the Weeknd single will do any damage. Wow I'm surprised it's not doing well. Imo it's better than The Scotts. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Aug 22, 2020 15:29:33 GMT -5
The recurring sentiment is that people are annoyed hardcore fans can game the H100 so easily. Sometimes, it’s less annoying, like when Harry Styles’ already huge “Watermelon Sugar” vaulted 7-1, or when Doja Cat’s “Say So” reached the summit courtesy of a remix. Sometimes, it’s infuriating, like basically every Nicki Minaj release of 2020. The H100 should be an accurate display of what’s popular and what isn’t, not which fanbase can buy the most copies.
We really didn’t have to have this convo again, though. It’s happened so many times, we all know this already. If BTS hit number one, they’ll be more deserving than several songs that made it there earlier this year anyway 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by wavey. on Aug 22, 2020 15:41:02 GMT -5
All of that just to still throw shade.
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Post by fhas on Aug 22, 2020 15:44:38 GMT -5
22 number ones in 53 weeks (since Bad Guy dethroned OTR) vs. 10 number ones in the previous 53 weeks (August 2018-August 2019)... this is the easiest 12-month period to have a #1 hit since 1990/1991.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Aug 22, 2020 15:47:35 GMT -5
The new Travis single seems like it'll be a non-factor. Over 16 hours after it's release and it's #76 on Apple Music US. I wonder if the forthcoming Calvin Harris/the Weeknd single will do any damage. Wow I'm surprised it's not doing well. Imo it's better than The Scotts. I didn't really care much for the Scotts and I don't really care much for the song he just dropped, but Travis' singles usually do well on Apple Music upon release so I'm surprised that this hasn't really taken off yet. He hasn't really dropped a ton of music this year so one would imagine that his fans would rush to engage with whatever he drops but that doesn't seem to be happening with the recently-released single. Maybe it being a soundtrack single has something to do with it. |
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Post by sirskimask on Aug 22, 2020 16:03:02 GMT -5
Is it just me or is the new Travis Scott song trash? It's just you. |
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