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Post by taylor is terrified on Nov 2, 2020 22:56:10 GMT -5
ew @ the Spotify thing. Somebody call the FCC, because payola is literally illegal. A crime. The idea needs to be bulldozed immediately.
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 2, 2020 22:57:00 GMT -5
It seems foolish to assume that AIWFCIY will never lose any popularity.. surely thereβs a limit to its ability to go back to #1 every single year, and only time will tell what that limit is
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 2, 2020 22:59:46 GMT -5
It seems foolish to assume that AIWFCIY will never lose any popularity.. surely thereβs a limit to its ability to go back to #1 every single year, and only time will tell what that limit is "Rockin' Around..." is just behind "AIWFCIY" every year and is nearly 40 years older. In other words it never lost popularity. Neither have other classics. I think it would be more about whether something else can come along and be even more popular each year. I could see some other classics going back and forth with "AIWFCIY" if they get used in a movie or something that gives them an extra nudge. |
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Post by m450n on Nov 2, 2020 23:04:02 GMT -5
It seems foolish to assume that AIWFCIY will never lose any popularity.. surely thereβs a limit to its ability to go back to #1 every single year, and only time will tell what that limit is I could see Santa Tell Me or even Taylor's recent Christmas Tree Farm slowly becoming more popular |
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Post by kimberly on Nov 2, 2020 23:08:37 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson's "Underneath the Tree" is already becoming a classic, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it challenge "AIWFCIY" in a couple years. "Santa Tell Me" has a ways to go but it's also growing in popularity each year, hopefully will re-enter the Hot 100 sooner than later.
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 2, 2020 23:09:52 GMT -5
It seems foolish to assume that AIWFCIY will never lose any popularity.. surely thereβs a limit to its ability to go back to #1 every single year, and only time will tell what that limit is "Rockin' Around..." is just behind "AIWFCIY" every year and is nearly 40 years older. In other words it never lost popularity. Neither have other classics. I think it would be more about whether something else can come along and be even more popular each year. I could see some other classics going back and forth with "AIWFCIY" if they get used in a movie or something that gives them an extra nudge. I hear that, but weβve only had on-demand streaming for about a decade, and we simply donβt know how that affects the long-term burn rate of these classics. Donβt get me wrong, I think youβre probably largely right, but Iβm just saying that, in theory, high schools wonβt still be teaching Shakespeare in another 700 years, and Christmas parties wonβt be putting Carey in rotation forever either. |
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 2, 2020 23:15:41 GMT -5
This has me thinking.. it would be cool to lists of Christmas classics that are past their peaks vs. ones that are rising year after year
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Post by lurker2 on Nov 2, 2020 23:19:57 GMT -5
We've got Spotify data for 4 years now. I'll get started on a chart for positions Christmas week. I'd need to do it relative to other Christmas songs, since doing it by total streams or positions doesn't take into account differences due to the length of the week. One immediate finding- Jingle Bell Rock beat it in 2016.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 2, 2020 23:39:36 GMT -5
Of course we canβt assume AIWFCIY will hit #1 for centuries to come, but itβs clear itβs not going anywhere anytime soon. Any decrease in success will be gradual I imagine, and judging from early performance its numbers may grow this year. Without a change in chart rules, it will likely hold many records (already does) by the end of the decade.
I agree that for a song to overtake it, the song would probably need a huge viral moment or be featured in a very popular holiday movie. Thatβs one advantage AIWFCIY has, the prominent feature in a Christmas movie that gets played to death.
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 2, 2020 23:41:21 GMT -5
"Rockin' Around..." is just behind "AIWFCIY" every year and is nearly 40 years older. In other words it never lost popularity. Neither have other classics. I think it would be more about whether something else can come along and be even more popular each year. I could see some other classics going back and forth with "AIWFCIY" if they get used in a movie or something that gives them an extra nudge. I hear that, but weβve only had on-demand streaming for about a decade, and we simply donβt know how that affects the long-term burn rate of these classics. Donβt get me wrong, I think youβre probably largely right, but Iβm just saying that, in theory, high schools wonβt still be teaching Shakespeare in another 700 years, and Christmas parties wonβt be putting Carey in rotation forever either. Hmm, well I doubt we'll be around to see the Xmas 2720 Billboard charts, if they still exist. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 2, 2020 23:52:04 GMT -5
I hear that, but weβve only had on-demand streaming for about a decade, and we simply donβt know how that affects the long-term burn rate of these classics. Donβt get me wrong, I think youβre probably largely right, but Iβm just saying that, in theory, high schools wonβt still be teaching Shakespeare in another 700 years, and Christmas parties wonβt be putting Carey in rotation forever either. Hmm, well I doubt we'll be around to see the Xmas 2720 Billboard charts, if they still exist. Spoilers: Circles will still be charting in 2720 |
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Post by alexandria2001 on Nov 3, 2020 0:08:32 GMT -5
All I Want For Christmas Is You will go number one earlier if Biden wins and people dedicate the song to him (I know inauguration day is in January but still...)
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 3, 2020 0:18:54 GMT -5
Christmas songs are absolutely gonna crush it this year on streaming services, wonβt they? Especially after no big artist is about to drop an album in the last two months. Jesus Christ outsold. We stan a legend. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 3, 2020 0:19:49 GMT -5
Hmm, well I doubt we'll be around to see the Xmas 2720 Billboard charts, if they still exist. Spoilers: Circles will still be charting in 2720 This sounds like the setup to an amazing science fiction story/movie. |
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ew @ the Spotify thing. Somebody call the FCC, because payola is literally illegal. A crime. The idea needs to be bulldozed immediately. It's totally outrageous and inappropriate. |
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Post by lurker2 on Nov 3, 2020 1:28:36 GMT -5
After looking at the data any song were to beat AIWFCIY, I'd bet on Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) by Darlene Love. It forst got a week in 2018, when it was the 55th most played Christmas track. In 2019, it was the 15th. The next largest increase I saw was BublΓ©'s Holly Jolly Christmas from 2017-18, which rose 17. Admittedly, I only checked the top twenty for 2019, but given that only sixty some charted you'd be hard pressed to find a bigger grower. I doubt it beats it anytime soon, but I wouldn't be shocked if it joined the upper echelon of Christmas songs.
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 3, 2020 1:38:22 GMT -5
Thanks to the rock bottom sales of 2020, Voice has a big impact on iTunes today:
#2 Watermelon Sugar (from 71)
#3 Someone You Loved (from outside t100)
#5 Blinding Lights (from 55)
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Post by GP on Nov 3, 2020 6:34:13 GMT -5
Many people online. They compared it to TUN's streaming performance and concluded that it underperformed. It was still the second biggest female streaming debut of all time... nobody outside of stan twitter was comparing it to thank u, next especially weird considering the pure sales part, why would anyone drag the second best streaming debut of alltime when there were also 600k peple buying the album? |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 3, 2020 6:52:28 GMT -5
It was still the second biggest female streaming debut of all time... nobody outside of stan twitter was comparing it to thank u, next especially weird considering the pure sales part, why would anyone drag the second best streaming debut of alltime when there were also 600k peple buying the album? I think that was the point. The criticism was that her numbers are front-loaded because the only support she can get her fans to engage in is pure sales. That's a criticism I've seen more and more as we've settled into the streaming era. I saw it online for the first time during the reputation era because in truth, her eras have been front-loaded since then. Folklore, in a lot of ways, was vindication for Taylor, both critically and commercially (streaming-wise) after Lover. At least, to her detractors. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 3, 2020 7:01:37 GMT -5
With the expected album bomb, I'm expecting dropouts for Don't Start Now, Break My Heart, UN DIA (not a good week for Dua Lipa), GREECE, The Bigger Picture, and *sigh*...Cardigan
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 3, 2020 7:50:45 GMT -5
Spotify 11/02/20
1(=) Ariana Grande - positions 1,580,452 (+235,156)
2(=) Ariana Grande - 34+35 1,354,068 (+153,597)
3(+2) Internet Money - Lemonade 1,059,535 (+41,463)
4(-1) 24kGoldn - Mood 985,489 (-56,547)
5(+2) Ariana Grande - motive 972,168 (+119,655)
6(=) Pop Smoke - For the Night 876,688 (-26,425)
7(+2) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - Dakiti 863,313 (+138,114)
8(+4) Ariana Grande - pov 837,321 (+145,712)
9(+2) Ariana Grande - off the table 815,851 (+106,111)
10(-6) Cardi B - WAP 803,458 (-214,872)
Ariana Grande - Positions
11(+2) just like magic 795,686 (+114,633)
15(+6) safety net 697,741 (+99,637)
16(+3) nasty 689,133 (+89,596)
17(+3) shut up 687,774 (+89,602)
20(+5) six thirty 635,502 (+88,178)
21(+7) my hair 622,682 (+82,421)
24(+7) obvious 575,822 (+86,611)
26(+9) west side 550,986 (+77,631)
27(+9) love language 545,687 (+75,960)
Other:
12(-2) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 774,505 (+58,190)
13(-5) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later 749,938 (-25,224)
14(+4) Luke Combs - Forever After All 716,421 (+103,202)
18(+9) Justin Bieber - Lonely 683,193 (+140,353)
19(-2) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 651,889 (+34,025)
22(=) Justin Bieber - Holy 605,222 (+43,014)
25(-11) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 567,978 (-112,919)
28(-2) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 544,879 (-680)
30(+13) Conan Gray - Heather 532,693 (+112,586)
32(+8) Tate McRae - you broke me first 521,730 (+78,790)
35(+4) 21 Savage - Mr. Right Now 461,458 (+13,019)
38(+7) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 450,121 (+47,156)
40(+19) Clairo - Sofia 445,192 (+82,375)
41(+3) Polo G - Martin & Gina 444,220 (+37,998)
43(+15) Shawn Mendes - Wonder 436,293 (+71,581)
45(+1) DDG - Moonwalking in the Calabasas 423,749 (+28,713)
47(+20) The Kid LAROI - SO DONE 413,423 (+73,997)
48(-7) Dua Lipa - Levitating 407,489 (-27,710)
49(+4) DaBaby - PRACTICE 406,536 (+35,606)
51(+5) Ty Dolla $ign - Spicy 381,815 (+15,669)
53(+10) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 380,099 (+23,286)
56(+1) 21 Savage - Runnin 373,528 (+8,518)
58(+14) Ashnikko - Daisy 361,298 (+39,828)
63(+12) CORPSE and Savage Ga$p - E-GIRLS ARE RUINING MY LIFE! 345,632 (+45,362)
64(+12) Harry Styles - Golden 344,845 (+51,705)
67(-6) Jawsh 465 - Savage Love 322,119 (-38,346)
69(-1) Miley Cyrus - Midnight Sky 317,118 (-18,601)
71(+25) Luke Combs - Better Together 314,330 (+50,599)
72(+52) James Arthur - Train Wreck 312,060 (+77,207)
73(+6) Trippie Redd - Weeeeee 309,627 (+21,709)
74(+16) Trippie Redd - Excitement 307,705 (+37,149)
87(+42) Sam Smith - Diamonds 284,809 (+51,889)
91(+1) Joel Corry - Head & Heart 277,824 (+10,753)
97(+50) The Neighbourhood - Daddy Issues 274,904 (+59,587)
98(+46) Trippie Redd - Sleepy Hallow 273,118 (+56,321)
104(+19) CJ - Whoopty 262,997 (+27,257)
110(+15) Jason Derulo - Take You Dancing 255,780 (+27,845)
111(+30) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 254,850 (+33,242)
122(+29) Wham! - Last Christmas 244,314 (+31,428)
123(+41) FousheΓ© - Deep End 244,144 (+35,979)
125(+47) Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 243,400 (+37,832)
128(+25) Bobby Helm - Jingle Bell Rock 240,515 (+27,883)
136(+33) Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 234,670 (+28,668)
137(+31) Michael BublΓ© - It's Beginning to Look A Lot Like Christmas 233,575 (+26,897)
Biggest Gains (50K+): Sleepy Hallow, Daddy Issues, Diamonds, Train Wreck, Golden, SO DONE, Wonder, Sofia, you broke me first, Heather, love language, westside, obvious, my hair, six thirty, Lonely, shut up, nasty, safety net, Forever After All, What You Know Bout Love, just like magic, off the table, pov, Dakiti, motive, 34+35, positions
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 3, 2020 7:51:46 GMT -5
Great increases for Ariana!
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Post by gabe on Nov 3, 2020 8:20:44 GMT -5
All I Want For Christmas Is You will go number one earlier if Biden wins and people dedicate the song to him (I know inauguration day is in January but still...) Why would people dedicate AIWFCIY to Biden? That's like dedicating Baby Shark to 6ix9ine |
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Post by musicspy on Nov 3, 2020 8:36:02 GMT -5
How did Ariana increase so much?
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Post by Normi on Nov 3, 2020 8:41:57 GMT -5
How did Ariana increase so much? Everything gained because Halloween songs had increases for two days |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Nov 3, 2020 9:01:41 GMT -5
Yeah All I Want For Christmas ain't really losing steam anytime soon. The biggest Christmas songs behind it... Have been around since the 80s at the earliest and the 60s at the latest and none of them even compare to Mariah when it comes to streams and sales.
It would take a modern Christmas classic (Underneath The Tree, Santa Tell Me, etc.) gaining over time like AIWFCIY to dethrone it anytime soon considering every year it's only increased lol.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 3, 2020 9:11:20 GMT -5
Is this Bad Bunny song finna take off?
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Post by edward on Nov 3, 2020 9:16:52 GMT -5
Why is Sweater Weather gaining so many streams recently?
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 3, 2020 9:19:36 GMT -5
Why is Sweater Weather gaining so many streams recently? bc its sweater weather |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Nov 3, 2020 9:28:39 GMT -5
Why is Sweater Weather gaining so many streams recently? mama it's cold |
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