Billboard Hot 100: 12/05/2020

[lurker2]

Nov 30, 2020 18:50:37 GMT -5 at40fansince1984 said:

Make those streams count next time you're in Wal-Mart, Target etc. put the BTS CD"s on the floor, unzip & unleash a massive yellow "stream" on them!

Damn bro you got the whole squad laughing

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Do we think “Life Goes On” will be serviced to Pop? If so, how will it do?

It got 0.410 in radio audience last week, the top station (KJYO Oklahoma City) spinning it 13 times.

[lazer]

Does anyone else feel bothered that TIA and Dakiti aren't in the top ten? I'm pretty sure more people know these songs than I Hope and Holy.

[Push The Button]

Nov 30, 2020 12:25:53 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

The Army who have commented might never have felt compelled to do so if not for the often irrational and unfettered hatred on display directed towards a group who works just as hard as, is just as talented as and has at least as many fans as any of the other artists who top the charts.

It's pretty ugly in here and ironic someone mentioned Trump because if BTS were Central American asylum seekers some of you would be shaking your fists in the air screeching to build the wall. It's pretty disgusting, actually. There are a lot of artists I have never heard of, don't listen to or don't

like who top the charts yet I don't feel the need to throw a massive virtual tantrum over it. The Billboard chart originated to track what songs/music sold the most, was played on radio and on juke boxes. That was a time when the consumer could call a radio station and the DJ would answer the

phone and you could request a song and they would play it if they had it. Today radio is rife with payola where even if listeners call to make requests they only play what some executive somewhere tells them to play. That is not consumer driven at all. Playlisting is an issue too because big labels

have the power to buy a song's way onto lists so a given song gets streams that the consumer never chose themselves. Yes, there are some issues with sales and there is filtering in place to prevent true mass buying from one source, vpns using the same credit card, etc. However, sales is still

the ONLY metric that is 100% consumer driven. That person makes a choice to purchase that song because they want THAT song. They didn't hear it on the radio because of payola. They didn't hear it passively while streaming a list of what someone else decided was popular. Maybe it's time to

come to terms with the fact that BTS is actually pretty popular in the US. All those physical album sales are real people who truly enjoy the groups music enough to fork over $50 for an album project a group they love poured all of themselves into. It's actually an album written/composed and

produced mostly by the members about this hellish pandemic. The songs have very meaningful and compelling lyrics, as usual, about topics everyone can relate to right now. But anyhow, by all means continue with the hate fest. It was the same thing with Dynamite even though that songs is

hugely popular you all still p!ssed and moaned about that too. Can't wait to see all the tears if BTS gets an album bomb.

LMAO

[dann]

Do people really think that kpop groups produce their own artistic material? I don't even believe that their personalities are real.

[JukeboxJacob]

Like I said months ago they should abolish sales’ influence on the charts altogether or at least minimal influence. Sales really aren’t relevant anymore

[85la]

I don't expect Billboard to change their formula anytime soon because of BTS. They have been tauting them and K-pop in general on their website for years now, probably because their marketing and reps have been heavily paying them, even while they still have seemingly not broken through to the mainstream on a mass scale.

The simple thing is, if these mass purchases did not count toward the charts, the fans would not be buying them. It is a systematic and coordinated effort done clearly to influence and manipulate nothing more than the exact placings of songs on a chart. There is no practical utility in buying 4 copies per card per each of 10 versions of a song week after week. I guess it would make sense that now and throughout history, some people would buy multiple copies and in different formats because of practical utility or extreme admiration for the song or to gift it to friends or whatever, but what's happening now clearly goes FAR beyond that. It is distorting the true intent of what music popularity charts are supposed to measure, and if an artist being at #1 and maintaining any sort of longevity is dependent on a relatively small number of fans buying multiple copies week after week, the artist cannot be that popular to begin with.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 30, 2020 19:33:13 GMT -5 lazer said:

Does anyone else feel bothered that TIA and Dakiti aren't in the top ten? I'm pretty sure more people know these songs than I Hope and Holy.

"I Hope" was a big country hit and now has exposure via Top 40 radio, so not sure how anyone can slight it in terms of not being known. That's different from whether people love it right now, but I think it's safe to say many people know it.

[Deleted]

Nov 30, 2020 16:49:08 GMT -5 SHOOTER said:

I'm just here to see who deserves these Chart Freak PMAs that the gurls keep crying about.

Gurl don't twist it and try to make it look like I was talking about the award being for the wackadoodles and crazed hot 100 hoes of Pulse
The disrespect ain't it smh 

I'm over here talking about the resourceful folks who give us meaningful discussion, predictions, and info over the charts
tanooki dremolus - solarpunk Abbaschand @delphox rockgolf lights

Also sorry in advance for the tags if you wish to be unbothered , just trying to name examples for this campaign I'm pushing for lol

[jodakyellow]

As someone who doesn't know a whole lot about KPOP, and frankly isn't that into it (yet), I'm not sharing my totally uninformed opinions on the song, the band, or the subculture. It's going really well for me!

As far as the charts go, there will always be a way to strategically "game the system," and certain people will always want to do that! Everyone hating on BTS going to #1 is welcome to play the same game. The only thing stopping any of us from helping organize a campaign of hundreds of thousands of fans buying some new single by our fav is ourselves: the time we do or don't have available, our level of interest in doing it, our social media savvy. Not Billboard, not BTS fans, not people who annoy us on Twitter.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: none of this actually matters. The song you wish was #1 instead of BTS still exists. You can still listen to it, and it sounds the same as it did before BTS hit #1. You can still talk to your friends about how much you love this song. You can still look forward to hearing it out in public, or at a concert, or wherever. Chances are, the artist is still alive. And if they're not, BTS didn't kill them. Lighten up, everyone.

Edit to add: To sum it all up, life goes on. It really does.

[Naos]

Nov 30, 2020 19:51:12 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Like I said months ago they should abolish sales’ influence on the charts altogether or at least minimal influence. Sales really aren’t relevant anymore

Just because sales are smaller, doesn't mean you eliminate them. They're still a form of music consumption.

[meg]

Nov 30, 2020 19:47:14 GMT -5 dann said:

Do people really think that kpop groups produce their own artistic material? I don't even believe that their personalities are real.

Kpop groups mostly not but BTS yes.
Some of them produced songs before their debut, the rappers were performing underground since they were teenagers.
Three of them has more than 100 writing credits and their own self produced mixtapes. Another one will release a mixtape soon.
They talk in details about making songs on their video lives.
You are bunch of ignorant sad people who never even checked them because you believed some conspiracy theory videos on yt.

[phieaglesfan712]

Nov 30, 2020 19:33:13 GMT -5 lazer said:

Does anyone else feel bothered that TIA and Dakiti aren't in the top ten? I'm pretty sure more people know these songs than I Hope and Holy.

Not really, but Dakiti should have better longevity than TIA. Dakiti will consistently be in the Top 3 after the holidays, while TIA will struggle to stay in the Top 20.

[Abbaschand]

@mirza lmao I'm nothing compared to those names you mentioned. But thanks for the appreciation.

[shayonce]

well.. BTS is #11 on RS chart because they don't count D2C sales. only if Billboard does same.

[shayonce]

Nov 30, 2020 19:20:45 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Do we think “Life Goes On” will be serviced to Pop? If so, how will it do?

It got 0.410 in radio audience last week, the top station (KJYO Oklahoma City) spinning it 13 times.

it's korean song, so I doubt that. especially when dynamite had horrible call out.
and they don't need radio at all.

[fridayteenage]

Artists with 3 #1 Albums + Singles, since 2010:
Drake
Eminem
Bieber
Travis Scott
Weeknd
BTS
Ariana
Gaga
Katy
Taylor

[gikem]

Any word on where non-Top 10 debuts (BTS, Megan, Morgan Wallen, etc.) placed this week?

[HolidayGuy]

The bulk of BTS' sales came from the digital side- removing those 20K from the physical singles wouldn't push it all the way out of the top 10.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

[Deleted]

#72's name almost guarantees that they know what they be doing to the twitter stans lmao

[fridayteenage]

Interesting. TOTC predicted the first 2, was close with the bottom 3, but underestimated the middle 2 by 20+ spots. Obviously bulk webstore buys are hard to predict.

[iHype.]

The first thing Billboard should do is just quietly change the rule of 4 digital song purchases counted down to a limit of 1. (I say quietly because Billboard never tries to publicly disclose how much sales can count in one order to specifically discourage stan stuff like this situation)

There's still no reasonable logic of why someone would need to buy the same song 4 times on digital mp3 anyways. You do not need four files of the same song on your computer. Should've never been more than 1 digital purchase from the same person could count. 

As for the instance of people buying a song multiple times at once because of different remixes, people doing that not for chart purposes is so rare and uncommon, and if you buy a Digital EP/Physical Single with 5 remixes included it only counts as one sale for the song so I'm not sure why buying them individually then counts multiple times. 

[Deleted]

Nov 30, 2020 22:02:06 GMT -5 @mirza said:

#72's name almost guarantees that they know what they be doing to the twitter stans lmao

The entire album is actually about the pandemic and how it's impacting all of us. The title Dis-ease is a play on words where the "disease" is also causing dis-ease aka a lack of ease/discomfort. It's got an old school hip hop feel with an amazing bridge. The english lyrics to all of their songs are available online and youtube usually has lyric videos. You probably aren't interested and don't care in the information but I'm still sharing it because I'm sure there is someone reading who is.


Also, regards to the album bomb (they also had an album bomb on Rolling Stone chart) the only songs that were available on the d2c store was Dynamite and Life Goes On. None of the other songs that charted had that option, so those are all from the same sales sources as everyone else on the chart.

[gikem]

[jaydoesnotknow]

Nov 30, 2020 22:02:59 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

Interesting. TOTC predicted the first 2, was close with the bottom 3, but underestimated the middle 2 by 20+ spots. Obviously bulk webstore buys are hard to predict.

Only Dynamite and Life Goes On have web store sales. The others aren’t not sold on the web store. Those were only iTunes, Amazon and Google Play sales.

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Nov 30, 2020 22:20:06 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

Nov 30, 2020 22:02:06 GMT -5 @mirza said:

#72's name almost guarantees that they know what they be doing to the twitter stans lmao

The entire album is actually about the pandemic and how it's impacting all of us. The title Dis-ease is a play on words where the "disease" is also causing dis-ease aka a lack of ease/discomfort. It's got an old school hip hop feel with an amazing bridge. The english lyrics to all of their songs are available online and youtube usually has lyric videos. You probably aren't interested and don't care in the information but I'm still sharing it because I'm sure there is someone reading who is.

Honey it was a joke, calm down lol

[jaydoesnotknow]

Nov 30, 2020 19:47:14 GMT -5 dann said:

Do people really think that kpop groups produce their own artistic material? I don't even believe that their personalities are real.

Most of KPop does not take part in the creative process. BTS does. Y’all really have to stop watching these YouTube conspiracy videos and reading some obscure tweets from people that don’t like them. The credits for songs are available and easy to access. It’s ok to have an opinion on the group but when your sources aren’t reliable and you’re making false accusations, your opinion means nothing.

[Deleted]

Nov 30, 2020 22:23:40 GMT -5 @mirza said:

Nov 30, 2020 22:20:06 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

The entire album is actually about the pandemic and how it's impacting all of us. The title Dis-ease is a play on words where the "disease" is also causing dis-ease aka a lack of ease/discomfort. It's got an old school hip hop feel with an amazing bridge. The english lyrics to all of their songs are available online and youtube usually has lyric videos. You probably aren't interested and don't care in the information but I'm still sharing it because I'm sure there is someone reading who is.

Honey it was a joke, calm down lol

Well, Sugarbritches, I was never not calm, but ok. 

[jaydoesnotknow]

Nov 30, 2020 22:20:06 GMT -5 @sosalty said:

Nov 30, 2020 22:02:06 GMT -5 @mirza said:

#72's name almost guarantees that they know what they be doing to the twitter stans lmao

The entire album is actually about the pandemic and how it's impacting all of us. The title Dis-ease is a play on words where the "disease" is also causing dis-ease aka a lack of ease/discomfort. It's got an old school hip hop feel with an amazing bridge. The english lyrics to all of their songs are available online and youtube usually has lyric videos. You probably aren't interested and don't care in the information but I'm still sharing it because I'm sure there is someone reading who is.


Also, regards to the album bomb (they also had an album bomb on Rolling Stone chart) the only songs that were available on the d2c store was Dynamite and Life Goes On. None of the other songs that charted had that option, so those are all from the same sales sources as everyone else on the chart.

I’m honestly starting to think you’re one of those Twitter accounts that doesn’t really like BTS but hides behind being a fan to start crap. There is no way you’re this dense that no one here wants to read what you say. I’m a damn stan and I don’t even want to read your posts :(