Billboard Hot 100: 12/05/2020

[JukeboxJacob]

Nov 22, 2020 18:25:01 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Do songs these days lack a third chorus because they want people to re-stream more times? They just feel so short and unfinished, it annoys me. Would it have killed Shawn and Justin to sing their chorus a third time?

Personally I love this new trend & hope it stays. Lots of songs really don’t need the 3rd chorus

[After Minutes]

My favourite structure is actually verse 1-chorus-verse 2-chorus-verse 3-verse 4

[code]

The WAP structure is insane, Intro verse 1 verse 2 verse 3 verse 4 chorus

[whales10268]

I like a bridge and final chorus after 2 verses and 2 choruses

[whales10268]

Songs need bridges or they lack intensity

[higilo]

I LOVE Tiny Dancers structure which is (without checking) Verse-Verse-Prechorus-Chorus (then some more stuff lmao).
It builds it up really nicely into the powerful chorus, Love it.

[starlord]

[nathanalbright]

Megan Thee Wallen sounds like the country x rap mashup we need.

[aussie1]

To be fair Megan isn't really a huge streaming force, on Spotify at least. Her most streamed song as a lead is Savage remix with 247M followed by Savage (solo) 244M. For a viral tik tok song that's not amazing. So her "underperforming" isn't shocking to me.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 22, 2020 18:25:01 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Do songs these days lack a third chorus because they want people to re-stream more times? They just feel so short and unfinished, it annoys me. Would it have killed Shawn and Justin to sing their chorus a third time?

Tbh I'm not really bothered by shorter song structures. It's didn't really start in the streaming age but I much prefer it to the ringtone rap era where songs would drag on with meaningless verse after meaningless verse.

Also some songs really do benefit from a shorter structure. I mentioned this before but a song like WHATS POPPin was more enjoyable when it was just hook-verse-hook, as opposed to four verses and the hook being sung four times. 

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

I think it really depends on the type of song, from genre to the lyrical content itself.

But yeah, shorter songs tend to give the impression of feeling unfinished and not the best possible version of themselves.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 11/23/2020

1(=) Ariana Grande - positions 1,094,197 (+63,235)
2(=) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 958,386 (+106,416)
3(=) Bad Bunny, Jhay Cortez - Dakiti 945,430 (-4,085)
4(+1) Internet Money - Lemonade 936,711 (+49,476)
5(+1) Shawn Mendes - Monster 930,790 (+105,377)
6(-2) 24kGoldn - Mood 925,140 (+31,495)
7(+1) Ariana Grande - 34+35 796,459 (+55,939)
8(+1) Pop Smoke - For the Night 755,793 (+17,088)
9(-2) Cardi B - WAP 728,143 (-30,386)
10(+1) Morgan Wallen - Somebody's Problem 702,796 (+27,942)

Megan Thee Stallion - Good News
16(+16) Body 623,486 (+145,721)
67(+10) Cry Baby 330,676 (+11,174)
76(-3) Circles 312,107 (-14,309)
97(-10) Girls in the Hood 287,927 (-8,709)

BTS - BE
13(=) Life Goes On 660,967 (-6,791)
19(-2) Dynamite 601,077 (-1,343)
73(-9) Fly To My Room 317,592 (-23,864)
75(-7) Telepathy 312,148 (-24,114)
78(-8) Blue & Grey 310,833 (-23,428)
86(-14) Dis-ease 304,530 (-24,669)

Other:
11(+3) Ariana Grande - pov 689,538 (+44,985)
12(=) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 682,927 (+12,425)
14(-4) Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You 649,527 (-75,333)
15(+1) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later 636,013 (+18,183)
17(+3) Miley Cyrus - Prisoner 606,193 (+44,438)
18(+1) Lil Nas X - HOLIDAY 602,297 (+37,699)
20(+5) Justin Bieber - Lonely 580,140 (+55,786)
21(-6) Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 561,187 (-61,468)
23(+4) Jack Harlow - Tyler Herro 546,736 (+31,426)
24(+7) Justin Bieber - Holy 535,637 (+54,460)
25(-7) Bobby Helm - Jingle Bell Rock 524,453 (-63,754)
27(+3) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 519,673 (+25,860)
29(+4) CJ - Whoopty 505,306 (+43,209)
30(-9) Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 500,522 (-59,958)
32(-10) Wham! - Last Christmas 493,451 (-57,942)
33(-10) Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me 489,555 (-49,476)
34(+2) Luke Combs - Forever After All 483,379 (+43,916)
35(=) Ritt Momney - Put Your Records On 481,276 (+25,158)
36(-10) Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot like Christmas 471,238 (-53,096)
37(+1) The Kid LAROI - SO DONE 467,860 (+36,481)
38(+2) Dua Lipa - Levitating 464,826 (+40,536)
39(+3) Tate McRae - you broke me first 454,001 (+39,322)
40(+4) Polo G - Martin & Gina 448,961 (+39,356)
42(-1) Morgan Wallen - Still Goin Down 438,066 (+14,978)
43(+6) Clairo - Sofia 421,264 (+27,996)
47(-2) Maluma, The Weeknd - Hawái Remix 413,492 (+6,156)
49(+9) Machine Gun Kelly - my ex's best friend 407,181 (+50,571)
51(+11) Shawn Mendes - Wonder 402,371 (+59,862)
53(+1) Morgan Wallen - 7 Summers 391,497 (+21,920)
55(-16) Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree 382,315 (-42,961)
57(=) 21 Savage - Mr. Right Now 374,118 (+15,895)
63(+19) DaBaby - PRACTICE 349,748 (+42,994)
66(+3) King Von - Took Her to the O 337,179 (+1,051)
69(+10) Ashnikko - Daisy 329,095 (+14,570)
71(-16) Dean Martin - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 323,584 (-44,682)
72(+20) Rick Montgomery - Line Without A Hook 323,572 (+32,237)
74(+2) DDG - Moonwalking in the Calabasas 313,425 (-9,433)
79(-18) Justin Bieber - Mistletoe 309,672 (-39,484)
81(-21) The Ronettes - Sleigh Ride 309,160 (-39,484)
82(+23) Pop Smoke - Hello 307,881 (+32,789)
83(+16) James Arthur - Train Wreck 307,543 (+26,417)
85(+6) Morgan Wallen - Livin' the Dream 305,194 -+13,173)
91(-24) Frank Sinatra - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! 298,185 (-39,529)
92(+15) CORPSE, Savage Ga$p - E-GIRLS ARE RUINING MY LIFE! 296,410 (+23,072)
95(-24) José Feliciano - Feliz Navidad 290,928 (-39,745)
98(-24) Michael Bublé - Holly Jolly Christmas 287,845 (-23,262)

103(+14) The Neighbourhood - Daddy Issues 281,724 (+19,688)
105(-22) Burl Ives - A Holly Holly Christmas 280,330 (-23,262)
125(-25) Nat King Cole - The Christmas Song 262,909 (-17,621)
131(+12) Morgan Wallen - Cover Me Up 254,945 (+16,249)
135(+14) Rick Montgomery - Mr Loverman 249,574 (+14,607)
140(-4) KAROL G - BICHOTA 247,029 (+1,625)
150(-40) Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime 237,102 (-28,767)
159(+6) 347aidan - Dancing in My Room 233,144 (+14,345)
166(-42) Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas 226,409 (-29,010)
194(-114) Andrew Andraos - Ave Maria 208,879 (-104,417)
196(-34) Bing Crosby, Ken Darby Singers, John Scott Trotter & His Orchestra - White Christmas 206,768 (-18,132)

Biggest Gains (50K+): Wonder, my ex's best friend, Holy, Lonely, Body, 34+35, Monster, Therefore I Am, positions

[dremolus - solarpunk]

With the dual mini-album bombs, it looks like we'll be saying goodbye to Tap In (19 weeks), Runnin (7 weeks), Mood Swings (20 weeks), The Woo (20 weeks), Got What I Got (20 weeks), 24 (14 weeks), Heather (14 weeks), and Adore You (50 weeks)

[andrebra]

I wonder what happened with Heather? It seems like a lot of people were thinking it would at the very least go top 20 but it just kinda fizzled out... I’m worried that You Broke Me First is about to be on the same path :(

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/11/24

1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 132.70(-0.64)
2(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 118.02(+0.70)
3(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 106.47(+1.21)
4(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 100.50(-0.13)
5(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 95.27(+1.10)
6(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 89.58(-0.86)
7(=) Surf Mesa - ily (i love you baby) [feat. Emilee] 87.94(-1.12)
8(+1) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 81.75(+1.29)
9(-1) Jawsh 685 x Jason Derulo - Savage Love (Laxed - Siren Beat) 80.84(-0.77)
10(=) Lewis Capaldi - Before You Go 78.79(-0.75)

13(=) Ariana Grande - positions 61.57(+2.14)

14(=) Kane Brown, Swae Lee, Khalid - Be Like That 58.68(+0.98) +

21(=) HARDY - ONE BEER (feat. Lauren Alaina & Devin Dawson) 49.98(+0.90)

22(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 49.72(+0.70)

44(+3) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 31.31(+1.74)

45(=) Moneybagg Yo - Said Sum (Remix) [feat. City Girls & DaBaby] 30.43(+0.76)

75(+15) Shawn Mendes & Justin Bieber - Monster 18.97(+2.64)

-(-) Tate McRae - you broke me first 12.78(+0.79)

[jenglisbe]

Nov 24, 2020 6:55:19 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

I think it really depends on the type of song, from genre to the lyrical content itself.

But yeah, shorter songs tend to give the impression of feeling unfinished and not the best possible version of themselves.

"Short" doesn't have to mean unfinished or short-changed. The Beatles did a lot with song structure, often within 3 or so minutes (look at "I Want To Hold Your Hand" with verses, bridges, etc and yet is under 2:30). Motown did the same. For instance The Supremes' "Come See About Me" manages to have verses, pre-choruses, and a bridge and yet clocks in under 2:30.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

When I complain about song length and short songs, it isn’t because I want songs to be drawn out. There are plenty of great songs and hits that are under 3 minutes. But if a song feels rushed or incomplete or just doesn’t have room to breathe, that’s where I don’t like it. Nowadays I seem to notice more when I’m listening to songs from the 80s and 90s where, if this song existed today, so much of it (usually instrumental breaks and repeated parts) would have been cut out and it just wouldn’t be as good. Prechoruses that build anticipation for a great chorus, instrumental sections after a chorus or before a bridge that give you a second to catch up or even take in what you just heard, a closer that lets you down or doesn’t end abruptly, even an introduction that builds up to something. It’s all about the contrasts within a song. Without that, the song is punch-punch-punch and it gets tiresome, particularly when every song is so to-the-point.

[atg]

Mood - Chorus > Verse 1 > Chorus > Verse 2 > Chorus

Therefore I Am - Chorus > Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Bridge > Chorus

Laugh Now Cry Later - Chorus > Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Bridge > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 3 > Pre Chorus > Chorus

Positions - Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Bridge > Chorus

Blinding Lights - Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Pre Chorus > Bridge > Chorus > Outro (basically a chorus again)

Lemonade - Chrous > Verse 1 > Chorus > Verse 2 > Chorus

There are people who sing 3+ choruses in their songs in the top 10 lool

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 24, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -5 atg said:

Mood - Chorus > Verse 1 > Chorus > Verse 2 > Chorus

Therefore I Am - Chorus > Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Bridge > Chorus

Laugh Now Cry Later - Chorus > Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Bridge > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 3 > Pre Chorus > Chorus

Positions - Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Bridge > Chorus

Blinding Lights - Verse 1 > Pre Chorus > Chorus > Verse 2 > Pre Chorus > Bridge > Chorus > Outro (basically a chorus again)

Lemonade - Chrous > Verse 1 > Chorus > Verse 2 > Chorus

There are people who sing 3+ choruses in their songs in the top 10 lool

Think you missed the point Rose and others were trying to make lmao. It's not enough that songs have length in parts, it's also how those parts are put together. 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

congrats to The Weeknd for ALL of those wonderful Grammy noms 🙃

[kalmanta]

How could that happen?
Kinda happy for Black Parade though, but I won’t watch that mess of a show.

[After Minutes]

The grammys undergoing assisted suicide is an interesting mess to watch

[strongerq]

Nothing new, Grammys are ѕhit and have been for quite some time. Their viewership will tank like every year, and they will become more and more irrelevant as years go by.

Serves them right.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

It seems now that a lot more nominations can be made per award, they're handing them out left and right like candy to kids on Halloween.

[campbellssoup]

I wonder how much Justin Bieber paid to get noms in all the pop categories.

Justin Bieber you have sinned and you are in fact the monster.

[wavey.]

...

[iggyamo]

Black Pumas better sweep and enter the charts, I thought they would get snubbed 100%.

Also how in earth did they snub so many people, Fiona Apple? The Weeknd? Chloe x Halle? They easily deserve main category nominations for their albums.

[dovahduck]

Nov 24, 2020 12:54:18 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

congrats to The Weeknd for ALL of those wonderful Grammy noms 🙃

"Yummy", the song of the decade and century, got a nomination. Folks if you don't hear from me these next two weeks, I'ma just be "celebrating" the existence of "Yummy" and how wonderful the Grammys are. :)

[gatlin77]

Surprised Morgan Wallen didn't get a Best New Artist nom. He's been a streaming monster and one of the biggest country stars in a year where country has surged on the charts.
Also, LUKE COMBS GOT COMPLETELY SHUT OUT?

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2020 14:40:51 GMT -5 gatlin77 said:

Surprised Morgan Wallen didn't get a Best New Artist nom. He's been a streaming monster and one of the biggest country stars in a year where country has surged on the charts.
Also, LUKE COMBS GOT COMPLETELY SHUT OUT?

Yeah, this round of Grammy's nominations was not particularly kind to male country artists, for better or worse

Pretty sure Eric Church was the only big male solo act to get nominated for anything, for Stick That In Your Country Song in the Best Solo Performance category.