Billboard Hot 100: 12/19/2020

[annoymous1]

Not Camila being Shawn's hail mary for this album/era 💀.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 5, 2020 11:13:45 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Isn't it common that featured acts don't have songs and/or videos on which they're featured, on their respective main pages?

I don't know but there are plenty of acts who are featured who have those songs on their page. If you go to Quavo's page, for instance, the latest release shown is one on which he's featured. Those kinds of releases are usually in the "Appears On" section for an artist. "OS" doesn't even show up in the Appears On section for Ariana or J Hud. The total plays for "OS" still shows up as >1000 so I think everything on Spotify is behind for the song.

[lurker2]

Dec 5, 2020 11:19:11 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Not Camila being Shawn's hail mary for this album/era 💀.

Not only is it Camila, it's a mediocre Christmas somg 💀

The hell happened since If I Can't Have You and Señorita. Did Harry Styles replace him?

[gikem]

I think the success of Harry Styles this year might have greatly hurt Shawn's chances for a successful comeback.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I don't really think Harry Styles' success had anything to do with Shawn's decline but if are going to keep one hot white man in pop, I'd rather we have Harry than Shawn.

Can we also replace Justin Bieber while we're at it?

[jthentic]

Dec 5, 2020 10:40:33 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Dec 5, 2020 6:43:22 GMT -5 jthentic said:

He'll be lucky if he pulls ~70k. Lacklustre streaming both on Spotify & applem, track sales ain't good either + they put a hold on wonder's radio boost. Unless d2c + big collab deluxe pulls a blinder he's fu***d.

In spite of not having songs charting well in Apple Music, it is somehow #2 among albums.

Probably due to weak streaming week on applem (album wise). Btw someone called YFN lucci (#2) is above Shawn (#3) 😂😂

[jthentic]

Dec 5, 2020 11:34:21 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Dec 5, 2020 11:19:11 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

Not Camila being Shawn's hail mary for this album/era 💀.

Not only is it Camila, it's a mediocre Christmas somg 💀

The hell happened since If I Can't Have You and Señorita. Did Harry Styles replace him?

Hell he might even release mv to save it 😅.

[loveless]

Shawn's had the "hot but sensitive" cute white pop boy niche on lock for years at this point, but Harry does the same thing while also making much better music. He probably would've fallen off soon enough regardless but Harry crowding him out definitely sped up the process.

[JukeboxJacob]

Maybe Shawn could try writing a song that doesn’t sound like another Stitches

[gikem]

Dec 5, 2020 12:57:18 GMT -5 JukeboxJacob said:

Maybe Shawn could try writing a song that doesn’t sound like another Stitches

Or another In My Blood, or another There's Nothing Holding Me Back.

I swear, the only time he's diverted from those three modes in his singles was when he made Lost In Japan, which was really good, but the execution of its push got botched by the unnecessary Zedd remix.

[lazer]

Yeah, the reason why Shawn Mendes is not successful this era is because he refuses to change. He has yet to have his “Purpose”.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Dec 5, 2020 12:05:47 GMT -5 jthentic said:

Probably due to weak streaming week on applem (album wise). Btw someone called YFN lucci (#2) is above Shawn (#3) 😂😂

Considering all the rap holdovers from previous weeks, you'd think somebody else would be that high. Anyway, if those new Lil Baby songs that are #1 and #2 were associated with an album, that'd probably be #2.

[Harx]

Dec 5, 2020 13:06:34 GMT -5 lazer said:

Yeah, the reason why Shawn Mendes is not successful this era is because he refuses to change.

The problem with Shawn Mendes these days is that he doesn't seem to be sure whether he wants to rip off Justin Bieber or Harry Styles

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

That's actually a pretty interesting train of thought - that Harry Styles' success might have affected Shawn Mendes to some extent. Of course, what they do musically is pretty different, but maybe Harry filling the niche of the 'attractive but sensitive white man' in a much more interesting fashion probably made the GP realise how one-note Shawn Mendes was getting, and "Wonder" didn't help matters at all.

And I've seen Shawn Mendes's fans complaining about the forced aspect of his relationship with Camila, and I wouldn't be surprised if the GP got tired of it too, especially with the album allegedly being very much written about her.

[loveless]

Wonder feels like Shawn and his team's attempt to give him a more artsy, "deep" image, get some of the same cred Harry has now. They even brought in the guy who co-wrote and produced most of Fine Line to work on it! But it turns out that Shawn hasn't secretly been this profound visionary the whole time, so the actual music is as tepid as his old stuff is and the sudden shift is unconvincing. Should've just made Lost in Japan 2 tbh

With Shawnmila, the gp certainly doesn't seem super fascinated with their relationship, but Señorita has performed way better than any solo work either of them released after? So that might just be stan twitter people assuming the GP feels the same way as them.

[iHype.]

Shawn also has the most absolutely boring image and personality of any relevant popstar in 2020.

There is nothing about him that would draw someone who isn't already a fan to go out of their way to hear his music.

Seriously, he serves that boring stereotypical American Idol "white guy with a guitar" contestant from 2008.

[wavey.]

Dec 5, 2020 17:30:09 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Shawn also has the most absolutely boring image and personality of any relevant popstar in 2020.

There is nothing about him that would draw someone who isn't already a fan to go out of their way to hear his music.

Seriously, he serves that boring stereotypical American Idol "white guy with a guitar" contestant from 2008.

Unfortunately this. Has he ever gotten "sexy" in any form of his image besides a magazine?

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

iHype. You're not wrong there. If we consider his contemporaries: Ed Sheeran provides more genre variety and interesting lyrics and themes, Justin Bieber and currently Harry Styles play into the heartthrob image with more engaging narratives to support them, and it ultimately leaves Shawn as a nice cute young man who plays the guitar - and that's pretty much it. If someone follows Shawn more attentively, though, I would love to be proven wrong.

And yeah, it would only benefit him to switch up. While I think a 'sexier' image would come across as forced and try-hard, I think he could definitely try to explore different sounds and more complex lyrical themes (I haven't listened to the new album yet, but "Wonder" felt like a rehash of "In My Blood" without everything that made it interesting). He has a good number of songs I absolutely adore, but if an artist doesn't showcase artistic progression, it's not surprising the general public gradually loses interest, especially when his niche in particular is always brimming with new faces.

[kcdawg13]

There was a point like two years ago where I thought Shawn would come out with his "Justin Timberlake" era, he was gonna bring some smooth ass R&B/pop songs and great music videos/looks. I guess you can blame Lost In Japan, for giving me a false sense of security.

Ironically enough Shawn's best hit and best look is Senorita, a one-off single meant to push his PR relationship with a fellow pop star. Dude has a great voice but he keeps doing this boring stuff, his music isn't even bad enough to laugh at, it's just pure boredom in and out. Shawn is gonna continue his downward projection if he doesn't grow and evolve, he'll likely go the way of other boring white dudes with a guitar. At least Ed Sheeran learned to break out from that image, as much as everyone hates "Shape Of You."

Shawn needs a "Shape Of You," which will turn him from a dude with a guitar to an actual worldwide sensation.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Dec 5, 2020 2:21:42 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

The 24k/DaBaby track is #213 on AM according to Kworb so obviously no one is interested in 24k in larger scale.

Lol you're not gonna mention it got to #213 after vaulting 299 spots?

I think 24KGoldn has a shot at mild pop stardom. "Mood" being massive provides a nice launchpad, and "Coco" has appeal at both pop & rhythmic and has a catchy hook + DaBaby, whose had multiple pop radio top 10s this year. If it can keep climbing on streaming, I see potential

[gikem]

Dec 5, 2020 17:48:24 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

There was a point like two years ago where I thought Shawn would come out with his "Justin Timberlake" era, he was gonna bring some smooth ass R&B/pop songs and great music videos/looks. I guess you can blame Lost In Japan, for giving me a false sense of security.

Ironically enough Shawn's best hit and best look is Senorita, a one-off single meant to push his PR relationship with a fellow pop star. Dude has a great voice but he keeps doing this boring stuff, his music isn't even bad enough to laugh at, it's just pure boredom in and out. Shawn is gonna continue his downward projection if he doesn't grow and evolve, he'll likely go the way of other boring white dudes with a guitar. At least Ed Sheeran learned to break out from that image, as much as everyone hates "Shape Of You."

Shawn needs a "Shape Of You," which will turn him from a dude with a guitar to an actual worldwide sensation.

Yeah, if there's one thing that separates Ed and Harry from Shawn, it's that they take risks with their sound and experiment a lot more. Sure, they've been known to trend-hop too, but you wouldn't mistake them for anyone else or even each other.

Shawn Mendes just can't bring himself up to that level. He has songs that I do like (especially from the self-titled), but he's driven himself into such a narrow corner that in trying to break out of it now, it just feels forced and awkward.

I guess the one thing Shawn can hold onto for this era is that Monster is set up to do pretty well, but when the only hit from your album is a collab with an artist who himself is trying to recreate his Purpose era, your days as an A-lister might be numbered, just sayin'.

[thegreatdivine]

Shawn Mendes has always been a mediocre musician who benefitted greatly from being a somewhat attractive white guy who can also manage to hold a note. His music has ALWAYS been bland, basic and boring. Even the best moments he's ever served across his discography are more of the same regurgitated pop styles and sounds we've seen other male singers do way better than he can ever hope to do.

Unfortunately for him, he can't go on a tour and use that to somehow salvage how much of an underperformance this entire era is for him, but I really think he'll be better off working with better songwriters and producers. I could at least point to 4/5 moments on his last album that I could revisit. Nothing on this new one is even worth that. Everything is just... meh.

[bigolefreak]

I don't think anyone has been replaced, Harry has just had a better year with things that have worked, while Shawn's one single hasn't [worked].

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this era performing at the same level as Shawn's last album?
The numbers are wildly different but there are new rules in place that account for that.
Moderately performing Top 20 lead single, decently reviewed album (still nothing different, but it's fine)
A little messy of a rollout (why is there a deluxe version after 24 hours? ) but nothing severe

and then a year later he popped out with If I Can't Have You (radio driven, fair enough) and then the real summer smash (on all metrics) with Señorita.

I think Shawn will be fine lol. But maybe someone at the label might see this as wake up call for a decline in the future, but definitely not now.

[rosalina4812]

Wow both Camila and Shawn flopped after Senorita...

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Gotta love the fact were dragging Shawn for being a boring, white man

[Choco]

I think Shawn is struggling because the music is bad this time around.

The idea that there is only enough airplay for one white guy and Harry stole it this year is the same argument that people try to make about Cardi taking Nicki's place and imo it's just not true. There are other reasons.

[firefox]

Shawn's just needs new style, that's it. Unless he's Adele where people won't get tired listening to even if she releases same type of album.

[jthentic]

Dec 5, 2020 18:08:16 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Dec 5, 2020 2:21:42 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

The 24k/DaBaby track is #213 on AM according to Kworb so obviously no one is interested in 24k in larger scale.

Lol you're not gonna mention it got to #213 after vaulting 299 spots?

I think 24KGoldn has a shot at mild pop stardom. "Mood" being massive provides a nice launchpad, and "Coco" has appeal at both pop & rhythmic and has a catchy hook + DaBaby, whose had multiple pop radio top 10s this year. If it can keep climbing on streaming, I see potential

Even though i like his music since Valentino days i don't think he's reaching stardom. Just look at his social media accounts, #1 song in the country didn't propell him to even 10% of lil nas' following (which he got). Same goes with Iann dior, whom general rap audience treat as an industry plant. This is one of those cases where song's a hit but artist? not so much

[wavey.]

Dec 5, 2020 17:48:24 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

There was a point like two years ago where I thought Shawn would come out with his "Justin Timberlake" era, he was gonna bring some smooth ass R&B/pop songs and great music videos/looks. I guess you can blame Lost In Japan, for giving me a false sense of security.

This. He's had plenty of chances to do it. I get it it's his way of how he wants to be marketed, but its clear that image/material isn't resonating this go around.

LIJ(Original and Remix) were great sounds he could've incorporated on a new album, but instead... No, he's not "over", but hes gonna have to come harder after "Wonder".

[jthentic]

Coming to Shawn 'Mr. Decent' Mendes, he's an attraction for nice folks during Justin Beiber's fuckboi era 😅. He's like the second coming (but a little older) of 'baby' era Beiber (but curr. Justin 'good Christian, family-man' Beiber era has got folks reappraise him again). And Senorita reached those heights, which probably Shawn or Camila will never outperform coz it filled that big void of POP love story (Jelena fiasco) (btw i know its a reach😂)
And for the argument of their relationship being forced, it looks like that. I bet Camila had more chemistry with Machine gun Kelly, even though they're friends(check out their live performances)


The OG 1D fans were split when they broke up but still their massive following helped each one the member reach stardom. But when Harry (who had a rock influenced sound unlike 1D & many thought would be interested in acting rather than music after Dunkirk) took 180 & embraced pop with his new record which i guess banded those lost & torn 1D souls to root him => Superstar. Its evident, while there's rise of Harry, there's other 1D member's dwindling following & success (esp in 2020) (apart from we love and we support 'X' trends on twitter 😂)