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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 15, 2020 18:18:10 GMT -5
Stans are mad that EVEN IF their faves did it, the remixes wouldnβt skyrocket up iTunes or streaming. Taylor (and BTS and Ariana and Justin) have strong enough fan bases that they can actually benefit from a remix and multiple versions. I canβt imagine this type of promo would work for other artists... if the demand is there, why should an artist not play the game? This isnβt anything new or original. Artists and labels have been pushing songs to #1 since the start. There's enough room to blame everyone lol. But no, part of the point is as you said; certain artists have the advantage due to their fan bases. Those artists already have an advantage as they can get radio deals and prime spots on playlists, etc. To then also have all these tricks that take advantage of stans is just yet another advantage. It really leaves lesser known artists out. Then the problem is with Billboard, not with the artists. Maybe theyβll decide that remixes should chart separately? |
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Post by jaffery on Dec 15, 2020 18:46:22 GMT -5
^I love those three (Justin to a lesser extent but my man has got bops) so don't come after me. π₯ Justin has too many songs smashing on radio. Idk how he is gonna fit a solo lead release early January like the rumours suggest |
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Post by forg on Dec 15, 2020 19:16:02 GMT -5
2 Taylor Swift - willow (dancing witch version) [Elvira remix] $ 3 Taylor Swift - willow $ 4 Taylor Swift - willow (lonely witch version) $ We dragged Nicki and BTS for doing this Taylor already got dragged for ME! and people did laugh when she failed to beat OTR. And with the way the thread is going, she's also getting as dragged as well for this but just lighter in tone because the 69/Nicki/BTS weeks were so insane lol |
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Post by rosalina4812 on Dec 15, 2020 19:30:52 GMT -5
Why do we have to go under the same story every week? Billboard better fix this shit right now.
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Post by gikem on Dec 15, 2020 19:44:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we'd change the rule regarding remixes when, as far as I know, pretty much every major chart company in the world combines both the original and the remix(es) into a solitary entry when those impact their charts. If there are notable exceptions to this, please let me know, but I don't think what we're discussing is necessarily an excuse for Billboard to change that, even if it seems like "cheating the system."
I think the real problem is that sales are weighted far too much in Billboard's formula, but that's a conversation for another day.
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Post by π Eloquent β’ on Dec 15, 2020 19:50:12 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we'd change the rule regarding remixes when, as far as I know, pretty much every major chart company in the world combines both the original and the remix(es) into a solitary entry when those impact their charts. If there are notable exceptions to this, please let me know, but I don't think what we're discussing is necessarily an excuse for Billboard to change that, even if it seems like "cheating the system." I think the real problem is that sales are weighted far too much in Billboard's formula, but that's a conversation for another day. I think actual sales should play the biggest part in their formulation. It is the only metric that shows people specifically spending money for a song directly. Then streaming (people choosing to stream a song for whatever reason, curisoity factor etc for free). Then radio (program director's usually take cue from the public in the aforementioned areas as to what to play). |
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Post by firefox on Dec 15, 2020 20:12:20 GMT -5
Taylor released another version, willow moonlit witch version π
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Post by myhouse911 on Dec 15, 2020 20:14:27 GMT -5
As some like to claim here, Taylor's just releasing remixes because she wants to, it was her birthday and it's for the fans, right? lol
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Post by Myth X on Dec 15, 2020 20:45:27 GMT -5
2 Taylor Swift - willow (dancing witch version) [Elvira remix] $ 3 Taylor Swift - willow $ 4 Taylor Swift - willow (lonely witch version) $ We dragged Nicki and BTS for doing this I remember Taylor getting dragged pretty bad when she pulled out all those bundles to get ME! to #1, let's not act like Nicki and BTS somehow get a big brunt of backlash over everyone else. Travis Scott and Ariana/Justin also got dragged pretty bad too. I don't see the same energy for Taylor compared to the drags that 69/Nicki/BTS or even Bieber/Ariana got for their tactics For Taylor is called gift for the fans because of her birthday or whatever lmao |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 15, 2020 20:54:41 GMT -5
I remember Taylor getting dragged pretty bad when she pulled out all those bundles to get ME! to #1, let's not act like Nicki and BTS somehow get a big brunt of backlash over everyone else. Travis Scott and Ariana/Justin also got dragged pretty bad too. I don't see the same energy for Taylor compared to the drags that 69/Nicki/BTS or even Bieber/Ariana got for their tactics For Taylor is called gift for the fans because of her birthday or whatever lmao She is being read all over twitter and other forums for these multiple versions (that will literally serve no purpose beyond this week). There are just more supporters of Swift on Pulse, compared to BTS, Nicki Minaj etc, which makes it seem that what sheβs currently doing is less controversial. Either way, the woman has been pulling these tactics since βME!β. I donβt know why anyone is surprised that is she just as desperate for chart success as any other musician at this point. Her βhitsβ barely have any longevity these days so why not exploit the chance for quick, high peak and then keep it moving? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 15, 2020 20:54:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure why we'd change the rule regarding remixes when, as far as I know, pretty much every major chart company in the world combines both the original and the remix(es) into a solitary entry when those impact their charts. If there are notable exceptions to this, please let me know, but I don't think what we're discussing is necessarily an excuse for Billboard to change that, even if it seems like "cheating the system." I think the real problem is that sales are weighted far too much in Billboard's formula, but that's a conversation for another day. I think actual sales should play the biggest part in their formulation. It is the only metric that shows people specifically spending money for a song directly. Then streaming (people choosing to stream a song for whatever reason, curisoity factor etc for free). Then radio (program director's usually take cue from the public in the aforementioned areas as to what to play). Though streams is the only metric that shows people specifically spending time on a song directly. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 15, 2020 20:57:57 GMT -5
It would be interesting if Billboard decided to split all remixes and count them separately. Honestly, I donβt even think Iβd mind because it would make sense - until we get to a week where a BTS or even a Taylor has the top two with different versions of the same song.
I do think remixes need to count either way though. Theyβre part of what people are consuming. You canβt leave something out just because itβs βunfairβ. In terms of things that need fixing, there are definitely other things that are more urgent.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 15, 2020 21:38:11 GMT -5
This is Taylor's Dynamite era, I'm patiently waiting for the willow (holiday witch version) and the willow (happy new years witch version).
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Post by jthentic on Dec 15, 2020 21:40:00 GMT -5
Taylor released another version, willow moonlit witch version π This is getting ridiculous... I feel bad for calling out BTS for such antics, even BTS weren't this desperate π¬ After Trollz, cardigan, Franchise, life goes on, #1s don't feel like #1s |
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Post by nak on Dec 15, 2020 21:42:03 GMT -5
Willow candlelight moonlight firefly fairy mushroom toadstool gnome lantern version
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 15, 2020 21:42:23 GMT -5
Taylor released another version, willow moonlit witch version π This is getting ridiculous... I feel bad for calling out BTS for such antics, even BTS weren't this desperate π¬ Okay now, let's not get too crazy. Taylor looking real desperate right now but there's like 17 different versions of Dynamite, including the new Holiday remix. And did we all forget about the Life Goes On debacle a couple weeks ago? |
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Post by jthentic on Dec 15, 2020 21:42:46 GMT -5
Willow candlelight moonlight firefly fairy mushroom toadstool gnome lantern version πππ |
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Post by lurker2 on Dec 15, 2020 21:43:12 GMT -5
I feel like a compromise would be to try to find a way to count remixes with the items in the cart rule? So if Taylor has 3 remixes you can have those plus the original count for sales, but no more.
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Post by jthentic on Dec 15, 2020 21:44:52 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous... I feel bad for calling out BTS for such antics, even BTS weren't this desperate π¬ Okay now, let's not get too crazy. Taylor looking real desperate right now but there's like 17 different versions of Dynamite, including the new Holiday remix. And did we all forget about the Life Goes On debacle a couple weeks ago? She's like ~5 versions within a week, God knows how many within a year? xd |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 15, 2020 21:45:18 GMT -5
It would be pretty hilarious if they separated the remixes, you just have 14 different versions of the same song floating around the Hot 100
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Dec 15, 2020 21:56:28 GMT -5
It would be interesting if Billboard decided to split all remixes and count them separately. Honestly, I donβt even think Iβd mind because it would make sense - until we get to a week where a BTS or even a Taylor has the top two with different versions of the same song. I do think remixes need to count either way though. Theyβre part of what people are consuming. You canβt leave something out just because itβs βunfairβ. In terms of things that need fixing, there are definitely other things that are more urgent. maybe they should count only one remix/version (the best performing one) or something like that. |
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Post by gikem on Dec 15, 2020 22:01:50 GMT -5
It would be pretty hilarious if they separated the remixes, you just have 14 different versions of the same song floating around the Hot 100 From the makers of "album bombs" comes "remix bombs!" |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 15, 2020 22:12:40 GMT -5
It would be pretty hilarious if they separated the remixes, you just have 14 different versions of the same song floating around the Hot 100 Well few to none would have enough points on their own to chart. It's hilarious Swift could have 3-4 remixes and still lose out on #1. |
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Post by rideordie on Dec 15, 2020 22:16:29 GMT -5
Is a song really considered a hit if it had no form of cultural relevance or longevity? Cuz willow is cardigan 2.0. It will be forgotten in a week or two. I donβt consider songs like those hits...
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Post by WolfSpear on Dec 15, 2020 22:26:07 GMT -5
It's an okay song... maybe it works with the flow of the album, but she's done better.
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 15, 2020 22:26:35 GMT -5
These Billboard threads are like Groundhog Day!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 15, 2020 22:36:19 GMT -5
It's marketing, y'all. Tactics have been done in the past by act/labels, so this is just another one.
On the subject of remixes/alternate mixes- people would buy individual remixes of a track, as opposed to buying the full digital maxi-single- that helped the single's sales pints more than buying one copy containing all the mixes. These alternate versions as of late just happen to be coming sooner rather than later in a single's release. Again, marketing. Can't see Billboard doing much to change rules in this regard. These are legit purchases/streams/whatever. Consumers are instantly getting the main product they purchase, unlike those pesky physical singles that wouldn't be shipped out for weeks.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Dec 15, 2020 22:37:42 GMT -5
Is a song really considered a hit if it had no form of cultural relevance or longevity? Cuz willow is cardigan 2.0. It will be forgotten in a week or two. I donβt consider songs like those hits... ofc not. When all is said and done, Taylor's non-number ones Love Story, You Belong With Me, IKYWT, Style, Wildest Dreams...will appear on her biggest hits list, not cardigan or willow. I don't even think cardigan is bigger than "22" - her #20 peaking song. |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Dec 15, 2020 22:42:17 GMT -5
What's the logic of releasing new music with image that's supposed to come off above mainstream sound & charts, but then releasing remixes/bundles/new versions every other week so said music can do well on mainstream charts. Her PR/image branding is on point, I'll give her that. Most of her fans truly now think she doesn't care about charts and is "doing all of this for them out of the kindness of her heart" lol. I'm sure her & BTS will become textbook references for artists connecting with fans. There's the logic. She's gunning for mainstream success while her "non-mainstream/indie" image & aesthetic paints her in a different light. Swift is a businesswoman, there is logic in every move she makes. Most people don't care about charts, so they don't pick up on the shenanigans. |
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Post by shayonce on Dec 15, 2020 22:45:13 GMT -5
lol at another remix... Billboard should have new rule as "additional remixes released midweek won't be counted". simple and easy. again. another remix. that and no more D2C digital single sales (like RS do) will do it. |
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