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Post by at40fansince1984 on Dec 21, 2020 19:11:32 GMT -5
The Lox worst song > ANYTHING by J'Lo!
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 21, 2020 19:18:57 GMT -5
Poor Brenda, she'll never get #1 unless Mariah helps her out. Oh well.
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Post by leoapp on Dec 21, 2020 20:48:58 GMT -5
Poor Brenda, she'll never get #1 unless Mariah helps her out. Oh well. imo, Brenda only needs: - a simple performance, sitting at home. Make it viral. or - a remix with current artist. But dont re-record her vocal, cause Billboard may consider it as a separate chart entry |
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 21, 2020 21:05:39 GMT -5
The BTS sales thing remains annoying... I love Taylor but "willow" is probably the least impactful #1 we have had since... Cardigan. |
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 21, 2020 21:33:23 GMT -5
So were there 20 or 21 number one hits this year? Billboard carefully worded it as 20 to "spend their first week at number one", but since AIWFCIY is technically in a separate chart run from last year it should be 21, yes? "The Twist" counted as a separate number one in 1962. IMO, AIWFCIY could only be a new #1 hit once, and that happened when it hit #1 for the first time on the December 21, 2019 chart last year. So as long as Billboard allows it to continue to chart every year it can accumulate as many weeks at #1 as possible, but it can never be a "new" #1 song ever again. It's the same with "The Twist". In The Billboard Book of #1 Hits by Fred Bronson, he only lists "The Twist" as a new #1 once. For its second time at #1 in 1962 he doesn't even bother to list it again, and all the info about it is on its first entry from 1960. Not sure how Joel Whitburn handles it. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 21, 2020 21:40:53 GMT -5
Evermore charting all at once means Haim and The National have both made their first Hot 100 appearance. Haim have never even made the Bubbling Under chart before - not for "Forever" or "The Wire" or "Wan't You Back". It's less surprising to me that The National are making their Hot 100 debut, particularly because they didn't start charting on any of the three rock airplay charts (even Triple A!) until their seventh album. Haim's only prior Hot 100 or Bubbling Under appearance was on 'Pray to God' in 2015 got to #6 on Bubbling Under |
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Post by Gary on Dec 21, 2020 21:44:34 GMT -5
So were there 20 or 21 number one hits this year? Billboard carefully worded it as 20 to "spend their first week at number one", but since AIWFCIY is technically in a separate chart run from last year it should be 21, yes? "The Twist" counted as a separate number one in 1962. IMO, AIWFCIY could only be a new #1 hit once, and that happened when it hit #1 for the first time on the December 21, 2019 chart last year. So as long as Billboard allows it to continue to chart every year it can accumulate as many weeks at #1 as possible, but it can never be a "new" #1 song ever again. Same with "The Twist". In The Billboard Book of #1 Hits by Fred Bronson, he only lists "The Twist" as a new #1 once. For its second time at #1 in 1962 he doesn't even bother to list it again, and all the info about it is on its first entry from 1960. Not sure how Joel Whitburn handles it. Billboard the website does it that way too Willow was listed as the 1115th #1 today which you only get if you count Mariah's song once and The Twist once. |
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 21, 2020 21:44:40 GMT -5
I feel like up to a certain point, if AIWFCIY keeps reaching #1 for too many years, there will be backlash, and many people, even her fans, will start getting tired of it, in terms of both the chart placement and the song itself. It will just get too bland and predictable with such chart domination, and will block many other songs from #1. Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if her label even tries to mitigate its success for this reason, such as voluntarily forgoing points towards the charts. I know this sounds crazy and don't even know if it's possible, but it's a similar thing with awards like the Grammy's or Emmy's, how on occasion, certain artists don't submit their work because they don't want to dominate and take away from other deserving artists too much. More likely though, eventually sometime over the years it will decrease in popularity or consumption patterns or chart rules will change, in which it will slide lower and lower or eventually not chart at all. This is eventually what happened exactly to White Christmas - hard to believe that what just receives minor attention in recent years used to be the big Christmas hit for most of last century. I believe "White Christmas" charted every Christmas season from its debut in the 1940's until 1962, when Billboard originally excluded Christmas songs from charting on the Hot 100. It was definitely the AIWFCIY of its day; or should that be the other way around? |
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Post by Eqbk on Dec 21, 2020 22:19:32 GMT -5
More likely though, eventually sometime over the years it will decrease in popularity or consumption patterns or chart rules will change, in which it will slide lower and lower or eventually not chart at all. This is eventually what happened exactly to White Christmas - hard to believe that what just receives minor attention in recent years used to be the big Christmas hit for most of last century. White Christmas is still a Christmas staple, but unlike AIWFCIY, there are multiple versions that have become popular over the years. Several versions of it will be played on radio or streamed. Whereas Mariah's version of AWIFCIY is usually the only one that will get attention, despite other artists covering it. I think that might have to something to do with it. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 21, 2020 22:22:43 GMT -5
^ Except for the infinitely small number of chart watchers, AIWFCIY popular will be based on the public’a desire to hear/stream it a lot during the holidays - not because it’s a repeat #1.
The White Christmas is a perfect example. It’s still a classic and radio/steaming playlist staple, but nowhere near as dominant as it was for decades. So AIWFCIY will always be around, but I can assure everyone that Billboard chart positions have zero impact on 99.9999% of the population.
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 21, 2020 22:23:14 GMT -5
Poor Brenda, she'll never get #1 unless Mariah helps her out. Oh well. I don't think she cares. And I'm sure there are other popular artists out there that could probably help her if she did care, like Ariana or Taylor or somebody. |
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 21, 2020 22:26:10 GMT -5
IMO, AIWFCIY could only be a new #1 hit once, and that happened when it hit #1 for the first time on the December 21, 2019 chart last year. So as long as Billboard allows it to continue to chart every year it can accumulate as many weeks at #1 as possible, but it can never be a "new" #1 song ever again. Same with "The Twist". In The Billboard Book of #1 Hits by Fred Bronson, he only lists "The Twist" as a new #1 once. For its second time at #1 in 1962 he doesn't even bother to list it again, and all the info about it is on its first entry from 1960. Not sure how Joel Whitburn handles it. Billboard the website does it that way too Willow was listed as the 1115th #1 today which you only get if you count Mariah's song once and The Twist once. Correct. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 21, 2020 22:28:10 GMT -5
Fun fact - according to my itunes playlist if you play all 1115 in a row it will take 2.9 days
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 21, 2020 22:47:34 GMT -5
More likely though, eventually sometime over the years it will decrease in popularity or consumption patterns or chart rules will change, in which it will slide lower and lower or eventually not chart at all. This is eventually what happened exactly to White Christmas - hard to believe that what just receives minor attention in recent years used to be the big Christmas hit for most of last century. White Christmas is still a Christmas staple, but unlike AIWFCIY, there are multiple versions that have become popular over the years. Several versions of it will be played on radio or streamed. Whereas Mariah's version of AWIFCIY is usually the only one that will get attention, despite other artists covering it. I think that might have to something to do with it. Back in the day (and no, I don't go all the way back to the 1940's, I'm not THAT old), the most popular version of "White Christmas" was always the one sung by Bing Crosby. That was the one we heard on the radio the most at Christmas time every year. And just as an aside, Bing Crosby's version of "White Christmas" STILL holds the record (by far) for the biggest selling single ever. I believe since its debut in 1942, it has sold as many as 50 million copies worldwide; more than any other single by any other artist in the last 80 years. Now that's a record. |
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 21, 2020 23:00:49 GMT -5
White Christmas is still a Christmas staple, but unlike AIWFCIY, there are multiple versions that have become popular over the years. Several versions of it will be played on radio or streamed. Whereas Mariah's version of AWIFCIY is usually the only one that will get attention, despite other artists covering it. I think that might have to something to do with it. Back in the day (and no, I don't go all the way back to the 1940's, I'm not THAT old), the most popular version of "White Christmas" was always the one sung by Bing Crosby. That was the one we heard on the radio the most at Christmas time every year. And just as an aside, Bing Crosby's version of "White Christmas" STILL holds the record (by far) for the biggest selling single ever. I believe since its debut in 1942, it has sold as many as 50 million copies worldwide; more than any other single by any other artist in the last 80 years. Now that's a record. Fun fact, Bing's "White Christmas" originally hit number one in 1942, then he took a re-recording of it to #1 in 1947. The 1942 master had become damaged from frequent use so he had to record a new version. They're very similar, but the 1947 version is the one that has predominantly been played every year since 1947. |
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Post by ry4n on Dec 21, 2020 23:02:12 GMT -5
White Christmas was the AIWFCIY of the 1940s and 1950s. It re-entered the pre-Hot 100 chart in several different years iirc.
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Post by Gary on Dec 21, 2020 23:04:31 GMT -5
If you add it all up White Christmas has charted 76 weeks or so. Would give Imagine Dragons a run for its money
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Post by jodakyellow on Dec 21, 2020 23:09:38 GMT -5
IMO, AIWFCIY could only be a new #1 hit once, and that happened when it hit #1 for the first time on the December 21, 2019 chart last year. So as long as Billboard allows it to continue to chart every year it can accumulate as many weeks at #1 as possible, but it can never be a "new" #1 song ever again. Same with "The Twist". In The Billboard Book of #1 Hits by Fred Bronson, he only lists "The Twist" as a new #1 once. For its second time at #1 in 1962 he doesn't even bother to list it again, and all the info about it is on its first entry from 1960. Not sure how Joel Whitburn handles it. Billboard the website does it that way too Willow was listed as the 1115th #1 today which you only get if you count Mariah's song once and The Twist once. I’m glad they didn’t Grover Cleveland it up by double-counting |
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Post by bigolefreak on Dec 21, 2020 23:22:36 GMT -5
Outside of the Christmas talk, DaBaby & Megan are winning
Jack Harlow too.
Sorry if this has been posted earlier, I just did not feel like scrolling back a few pages, a true testament to how lazy I am.
And for some reason, this year, Christmas is not hitting the same :/
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Post by nickd on Dec 22, 2020 0:16:12 GMT -5
I wonder what the breakdown of streams is by app. It seems like Willow was ahead on Spotify by quite a lot considering 7/15 Evermore songs charted ahead of AIWFCIY this week. On Youtube, AIWFCIY had the edge. I believe Willow had the lead on Apple Music?
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Post by leonagwen on Dec 22, 2020 0:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Dec 22, 2020 0:49:23 GMT -5
And "Willow" is expected to drop lower than "TROLLZ" did, oh my 6ix9ine unfortunately saved from being known to having a horrendous #1 record |
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Post by iHype. on Dec 22, 2020 0:53:30 GMT -5
It'll be fitting that 2020, the most embarrassing year for Hot 100 #1's directly ends with once again new records set for worst-performing #1's in terms of drops/charting life lol.
It's also pretty fitting that 6ix9ine loses both his only records as we go into 2021. Truly left in the year 2020.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Dec 22, 2020 1:06:41 GMT -5
Lol y’all are acting like Trollz had to deal with dozens of Christmas songs... reaching as always to hate on Taylor.
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Post by Eqbk on Dec 22, 2020 1:32:10 GMT -5
White Christmas is still a Christmas staple, but unlike AIWFCIY, there are multiple versions that have become popular over the years. Several versions of it will be played on radio or streamed. Whereas Mariah's version of AWIFCIY is usually the only one that will get attention, despite other artists covering it. I think that might have to something to do with it. Back in the day (and no, I don't go all the way back to the 1940's, I'm not THAT old), the most popular version of "White Christmas" was always the one sung by Bing Crosby. That was the one we heard on the radio the most at Christmas time every year. Bing Crosby's version is still the most popular version but other versions definitely have become popular in their own right. Another notable version would be the one by the Drifters. That version not only gets a fair amount attention itself but it's also a popular choice for other artists to cover. |
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Post by forg on Dec 22, 2020 2:46:28 GMT -5
Sad Last Christmas missed the top 10 again!
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 22, 2020 3:07:47 GMT -5
Lol y’all are acting like Trollz had to deal with dozens of Christmas songs... reaching as always to hate on Taylor. We don't hate Taylor, we just don't like front-loaded songs that only get to peak at #1 through some sort of scheme and Christmas songs or not, if willow wasn't front-loaded, it would remain in the top 10 in it's second week. It's not like every song in the top 10 has an estimated 30,000 points. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 22, 2020 3:15:54 GMT -5
Talk of the Chart getting harassed by Nicki stans and of course BTS stans because of the tweets directed towards TROLLZ and Life Goes On, like they actively don't want the facts presented to them. The good ol' "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" approach, something that correlates between stan twitter and those of our population that deny the existence of COVID-19. Anyways.
Nicki Minaj had the record for fastest time a #1 single dropped off the chart, BTS now has that record. Facts are facts, these stans gotta learn that. But I guess when most of your fanbase is 14 years old, it's just par for the course. RIP to all the chart data people on Twitter when Taylor drops hard next week, gonna be another bloodbath in the replies.
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Post by colson on Dec 22, 2020 3:18:57 GMT -5
Can't these people just do predictions and turnoff their replies? lol Don't they have that function on YouTube?
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Post by Henry Suárez on Dec 22, 2020 3:34:46 GMT -5
The Hot 100 is sooo embarrassing and nonsense nowadays, that's why I prefer airplay and streaming charts.. |
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