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Post by Groovy on Jan 1, 2021 12:42:37 GMT -5
Blinding Lights got robbed of more weeks at 1 with all these stupid debuts and remixes. It really wasn't, it isn't Drake's fault his song was so huge on streaming that week. Cardi and DaBaby got f**ked over, though. If The Weeknd didn't get robbed then DaBaby and Cardi didn't get robbed either according to your logic, it wasn't Taylor's fault that his streaming and sales were big week or 6ix9ine's fault that his sales were big that week or BTS' fault that their sales were big. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 12:46:57 GMT -5
I don't think the influence of sales should be reduced. Sure, sales can be used to manipulate the charts but 1) this is not new (i.e. singles in the 90's being repressed to maximize peak) and 2) radio airplay and streaming can also be manipulated. That said, I do think they should revise what can count toward sales in two main ways. First, there should be a limit to how many remixes can count toward a single song's chart points. Not sure what the limit would be though. Second, $0.69 should be lowest discounted price allowed for a song to be able to count toward chart points. $0.69 was usually the lowest a song would be discounted for anyway. It was one of those unspoken rules that everyone had followed up until recently. They might as well just make that an official rule instead of an unspoken one. If Billboard just counted remixes as their own song, a lot of problems would be solved. |
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Jan 1, 2021 12:47:35 GMT -5
Speaking of Mood, I think it along with ROCKSTAR, WAP and Blinding Lights got robbed of more weeks at 1 with all these stupid debuts and remixes. I think Mood got lucky with those 6 weeks so far, it's one of the weakest #1s of the streaming era (in terms of points at #1). Last year, there were only 5 weeks at #1 below 300 points, and 4/5 belong to Mood. |
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Post by lurker2 on Jan 1, 2021 12:52:31 GMT -5
It really wasn't, it isn't Drake's fault his song was so huge on streaming that week. Cardi and DaBaby got f**ked over, though. If The Weeknd didn't get robbed then DaBaby and Cardi didn't get robbed either according to your logic, it wasn't Taylor's fault that his streaming and sales were big week or 6ix9ine's fault that his sales were big that week or BTS' fault that their sales were big.Β My argument's basically that Toosie Slide's success was (sadly) organic, IDK about BTS/Taylor/Travis/etc. |
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Post by gikem on Jan 1, 2021 12:54:19 GMT -5
Speaking of Mood, I think it along with ROCKSTAR, WAP and Blinding Lights got robbed of more weeks at 1 with all these stupid debuts and remixes. In Blinding Lightsβ case, it wasnβt a super strong #1 to begin with, so it makes sense that its run at the top was interrupted by Toosie Slide and THE SCOTTS, both of which had the streaming saturation to justify their high debuts. However, I agree with you on WAP and ROCKSTAR. Iβd throw in the Savage remix as well; it deserved to be at #1 the weeks that the Say So remix, Stuck With U, and Rain On Me were on top instead. |
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Post by lurker2 on Jan 1, 2021 13:07:35 GMT -5
Speaking of Mood, I think it along with ROCKSTAR, WAP and Blinding Lights got robbed of more weeks at 1 with all these stupid debuts and remixes. In Blinding Lightsβ case, it wasnβt a super strong #1 to begin with, so it makes sense that its run at the top was interrupted by Toosie Slide and THE SCOTTS, both of which had the streaming saturation to justify their high debuts. However, I agree with you on WAP and ROCKSTAR. Iβd throw in the Savage remix as well; it deserved to be at #1 the weeks that the Say So remix, Stuck With U, and Rain On Me were on top instead. Gooba was number one with halfed sales that weeks. 6ix9ine main pop girl? |
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Post by Groovy on Jan 1, 2021 13:16:20 GMT -5
If The Weeknd didn't get robbed then DaBaby and Cardi didn't get robbed either according to your logic, it wasn't Taylor's fault that his streaming and sales were big week or 6ix9ine's fault that his sales were big that week or BTS' fault that their sales were big. My argument's basically that Toosie Slide's success was (sadly) organic, IDK about BTS/Taylor/Travis/etc. Okay, that's fair. |
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Post by Groovy on Jan 1, 2021 13:27:08 GMT -5
Looking at these numbers, there were so many inorganic hits in 2020 especially Life Goes On, 3/4 of its points comes from sales.
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Post by gikem on Jan 1, 2021 13:51:37 GMT -5
In Blinding Lightsβ case, it wasnβt a super strong #1 to begin with, so it makes sense that its run at the top was interrupted by Toosie Slide and THE SCOTTS, both of which had the streaming saturation to justify their high debuts. However, I agree with you on WAP and ROCKSTAR. Iβd throw in the Savage remix as well; it deserved to be at #1 the weeks that the Say So remix, Stuck With U, and Rain On Me were on top instead. Gooba was number one with halfed sales that weeks. 6ix9ine main pop girl? I'm firmly in the "GOOBA probably should have gone to #1, but I'm not gonna stand by that for obvious moral reasons" camp. (Also, I forgot that Blinding Lights was actually above Savage the week of 5/23, so I guess that should have been its 5th week at #1. Certainly takes away the sting of one of the worst top 3's of all time in Stuck With U, the Say So remix and GOOBA.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 13:57:18 GMT -5
Speaking of Mood, I think it along with ROCKSTAR, WAP and Blinding Lights got robbed of more weeks at 1 with all these stupid debuts and remixes. I think Mood got lucky with those 6 weeks so far, it's one of the weakest #1s of the streaming era (in terms of points at #1). Last year, there were only 5 weeks at #1 below 300 points, and 4/5 belong to Mood Points fell in general pretty consistently throughout the year for the number one song. Also Mood would be impacted by Christmas streams. Not a ton in its first week atop, but certainly some. |
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Post by GP on Jan 1, 2021 14:02:43 GMT -5
Speaking of Mood, I think it along with ROCKSTAR, WAP and Blinding Lights got robbed of more weeks at 1 with all these stupid debuts and remixes.  |
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Post by chartfreak on Jan 1, 2021 14:08:50 GMT -5
I don't think the influence of sales should be reduced. Sure, sales can be used to manipulate the charts but 1) this is not new (i.e. singles in the 90's being repressed to maximize peak) and 2) radio airplay and streaming can also be manipulated. That said, I do think they should revise what can count toward sales in two main ways. First, there should be a limit to how many remixes can count toward a single song's chart points. Not sure what the limit would be though. Second, $0.69 should be lowest discounted price allowed for a song to be able to count toward chart points. $0.69 was usually the lowest a song would be discounted for anyway. It was one of those unspoken rules that everyone had followed up until recently. They might as well just make that an official rule instead of an unspoken one. If Billboard just counted remixes as their own song, a lot of problems would be solved. We would probably not get remixes then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 14:27:15 GMT -5
If Billboard just counted remixes as their own song, a lot of problems would be solved. We would probably not get remixes then. One would like to think we would get remixes that deserved to be remixes. Rather than as a gimmick. |
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Post by loveless on Jan 1, 2021 14:48:18 GMT -5
How many remixes have really been worth it in the last year anyways? All I can think of is the Savage remix.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 1, 2021 14:54:01 GMT -5
Mood really would've had a few extra weeks at #1 without the bulls**t of Life Goes On and willow (probably would've been #1 a week earlier without the Savage Love remix). "willow" blocked "AIWFCIY" for #1, not "Mood." |
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Post by Limited Edition on Jan 1, 2021 14:57:25 GMT -5
How many remixes have really been worth it in the last year anyways? All I can think of is the Savage remix. I think Doja improved In Your Eyes but not many people share that opinion (for some reason) |
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Post by kalmanta on Jan 1, 2021 14:57:59 GMT -5
Iβm amazed by SZAβs longevity. Well, RnB isnβt exactly the best performing genre nowadays on streaming services. Itβs in the top3 on AM too, climbing every day. I expected this song to drop off quiet fast, but Iβm amazed with its staying power so far. |
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Post by renfield75 on Jan 1, 2021 15:35:21 GMT -5
If Billboard just counted remixes as their own song, a lot of problems would be solved. We would probably not get remixes then. Or, worse, we would have had 4-5 different versions of "Dynamite" in the top ten at once. I would much prefer seeing it at number one than a bunch of slightly different remixes all over the Hot 100. They weren't significantly different enough from the original (like the infamous J. Lo remixes in the early 2000s) to justify separating them. BTS just has that big and dedicated of a fanbase; making rules specifically to slight them seems wildly unfair. |
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Post by gikem on Jan 1, 2021 15:41:10 GMT -5
How many remixes have really been worth it in the last year anyways? All I can think of is the Savage remix. In terms of those that improved upon the original, the BLM remix of ROCKSTAR. I guess you could also argue Roses, but that debuted on the charts as a remix and got a boost thanks to Future's remix of the original song that was getting airplay on Urban and Rhythmic radio while the Imanbek remix was shipped to Top 40. |
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Post by inverse on Jan 1, 2021 15:43:36 GMT -5
Dynamite in the top 10 again seriously? What did it do this time???
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Post by Crimsonio on Jan 1, 2021 15:43:51 GMT -5
I want to pop in here and say that Mood was the worst #1 from 2020 because it was so manufactured and boring a complete Juice WRLD knockoff, and the beat is HORRIBLE
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Post by GP on Jan 1, 2021 16:46:08 GMT -5
How many remixes have really been worth it in the last year anyways? All I can think of is the Savage remix. I think Doja improved In Your Eyes but not many people share that opinion (for some reason) Love the Doja remix, she adds to the song |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jan 1, 2021 17:08:03 GMT -5
Dynamite in the top 10 again seriously? What did it do this time??? idk ask the stans. And when it drops like 20 plus spots week because the streams and airplay are not there and the sales will obviously it's gonna look messy |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 17:18:23 GMT -5
Dynamite in the top 10 again seriously? What did it do this time??? idk ask the stans. And when it drops like 20 plus spots week because the streams and airplay are not there and the sales will obviously it's gonna look messy No more messy than others this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 17:20:23 GMT -5
We would probably not get remixes then. Or, worse, we would have had 4-5 different versions of "Dynamite" in the top ten at once. I would much prefer seeing it at number one than a bunch of slightly different remixes all over the Hot 100. They weren't significantly different enough from the original (like the infamous J. Lo remixes in the early 2000s) to justify separating them. BTS just has that big and dedicated of a fanbase; making rules specifically to slight them seems wildly unfair. I don't think it would be a BTS rule. Lots of other examples. Even from a-list artists. |
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Post by Choco on Jan 1, 2021 17:25:02 GMT -5
The BTS thing is apparently because it was some member's birthday π.
Sure make the rich guy richer I guess.
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Post by kacpi on Jan 1, 2021 17:46:46 GMT -5
The BTS thing is apparently because it was some member's birthday π. Sure make the rich guy richer I guess. And it's not even the worst part of it π ARMY from China raised almost 1 million dollars and gave the money to some rich folks in Dubai just to display a birthday ad for this member at the Burj Khalifa building |
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Post by renaboss on Jan 1, 2021 17:56:46 GMT -5
Are older chart threads locked after they've stopped being relevant, or did something messy happen in the 01/02/21 thread?
Anyway, I wanted to post there that "Last Christmas" didn't just make top 10 in the US for the first time, it also hit #1 in the UK for the first time as well. Amazing and well deserved.
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jan 1, 2021 18:08:12 GMT -5
The BTS thing is apparently because it was some member's birthday π. Sure make the rich guy richer I guess. And it's not even the worst part of it π ARMY from China raised almost 1 million dollars and gave the money to some rich folks in Dubai just to display a birthday ad for this member at the Burj Khalifa building Ok, the mass-buying is one thing, this is a whole other level If I was V Iβd go into hiding, thatβs lowkey terrifying  |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 1, 2021 18:13:50 GMT -5
rena- think once tracking for a new chart week starts, the chart two weeks prior gets closed? I've noticed as much prior.
Thanks for posting that bit of info about Wham!; great "first" for it to achieve this season (top 10 Hot 100/No. 1 UK), and that that both it and "All I Want..." reached their ultimate due in the UK. By the way- what was Andrew Ridgeley's role in '"Last Christmas"? Did he do any instrumentation/background vocals?
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