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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 2:38:00 GMT -5
Put Your Records On - Ritt Momney Peak 79 WOC 11
Certified gold this past week.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jan 9, 2021 2:47:00 GMT -5
@dey except you didn't just make an observation. You went on to equate Platinum/multi-Platinum albums of today to somehow being the best albums to the general public when that is far from being true. In that same post, you also insinuated that multi-Platinum albums come easier these days, which is why I disputed that (same way others have done in previous posts).
These are the facts as they stand today:
1. It's a lot harder to get Diamond/multi-Platinum album certifications today than it was 30 years ago.
2. DIGITAL multi-Platinum single certifications are easier to get today than they were 20/30 years ago simply because singles weren't digital then. The moment you could buy a single by clicking on a button, everything changed. Comparing single sales from both eras makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
So we don't spend the next few pages debating over this topic, if the general point you're trying to make is that consuming music in the streaming era is easier, you'd be right. Building a career/following is a lot easier now thanks to the barriers the internet broke. But is it easier to be a mainstream superstar? Hell no. There are way more people making music today than there were 30 years ago. Tens of thousands of songs get uploaded to streaming services DAILY and there are a dozen other things that can take away your attention today than there were 30 years ago. It's way harder being a successful mainstream musician today and it's even harder maintaining that success over an extended period of years.
I can understand the frustration with seeing some longstanding records being broken today seemingly easily and being someone who came up in the physical era and feeling like it's unfair. My counter to that would be that things change and it's not exactly easy to break most of those records, despite what some of you might think, which is why only the biggest artists ever manage to. Most of the all-time lists/records still have acts from 30/40/50 years ago topping them for a reason.
For me, I guess I'm just tired of seeing people talk down on the streaming era, it's artists and the achievements said artists have accomplished. Generally speaking, it isn't easy being dominant or even successful in music today. Getting people to stream a song/album consistently over many weeks/months/years is very hard to do if only because there are literally tens of thousands of different options every day to choose from and musicians have never had to fight for the attention of listeners like they have to do in this time.
And with that, I'm done with this exchange.
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Post by fridayteenage on Jan 9, 2021 2:53:24 GMT -5
Good thing there are still Taylor Swifts out there still getting 1 mil+ in US sales alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 3:03:04 GMT -5
@dey except you didn't just make an observation. You went on to equate Platinum/multi-Platinum albums of today to somehow being the best albums to the general public when that is far from being true. In that same post, you also insinuated that multi-Platinum albums come easier these days, which is why I disputed that (same way others have done in previous posts). I did no such thing. In fact I practically screamed in each post I responded to about diamond or multi platinum saying I was not referring to those. the only point I was making was you can get a certified record today much easier than in the past. This is true. i was in no way trying to compare or say either was better or worse. Just the simple true fact you can get a certified record today much easier. I do agree once you start adding stipulations like multiplatinum, diamond digital, etc, my argument breaks down. However I was talking generalities not specific cases. And as I said I repeatedly posted when everyone bought up diamond I was not telling such specifics. is it really that wrong to say something is easier today, that it sets off a war? I thought thst was what life was all about. To get easier. I guess in my world something easier is always something to strive for and a good thing.
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Post by Henry SuΓ‘rez on Jan 9, 2021 3:04:24 GMT -5
Wth is going on in this thread ._. is this chart week not that interesting??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 3:10:14 GMT -5
Good thing there are still Taylor Swifts out there still getting 1 mil+ in US sales alone. I guess that depends on how long of a time period you use. I'm confident say The Eagles or Bob Marley will easily rack up another million physical or digital sales as the Years go on. how much does 21 sell a year now in physical or digital sales? I'm sure she'll as well rack up another million as time goes by.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 3:30:08 GMT -5
Wth is going on in this thread ._. is this chart week not that interesting?? Not really. It is kinda boring of a week.
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Post by jodakyellow on Jan 9, 2021 3:33:18 GMT -5
Have you ever achieved it Perfection? Nope. And I am glad of that fact. I like being human. A Gold record. Since itβs so easy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 4:24:27 GMT -5
Perfection? Nope. And I am glad of that fact. I like being human. A Gold record. Since itβs so easy If I was after a gold record to put on my wall, I'd most certainly want to try and do that today than in past decades. It's quite a bit easier to achieve that now. Disclaimer: this post does not refer to diamond record, multi platinum, digital or standard, single or albums. Nor is it meant to be a deep statement on the industry. It's simply about if I wanted a nice shiny gold record on my wall, I'd most certainly want to be doing that today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 5:28:03 GMT -5
2 years ago I made a post comparing the # of album and single certs by year. The data lacks any updated certs since then, but I think it's still accurate enough for current conversation. [ snip] Now, as to the supposedly increased ease of earning certifications, I had far too much time and no good sense of priorities, so I played around on RIAA's website and made graphs. These #s are based on year songs were released, not year songs were certified. Numbers should be assumed to have a small margin of error b/c I just did a straightforward sort-and-count for each year. I excluded Latin certs, but I also noticed some certs for reissued albums/singles, and that RIAA puts singles in the year the parent album was released rather than the year the single itself was. I didn't take the time to account for or weed out any of that. It is, indeed, apparently much easier to earn a single cert these days, up to a point. Super high levels of single certification (6x platinum and up) only happened b/c of the digital sales era, and have remained relatively flat. However, it is not easier to earn an album cert - in fact those have even continued to slightly decline in recent years despite TEA and SEA basically allowing for one download/play to 'count twice', both toward single and album certs. That probably speaks to the overall TEA/SEA formula being on point, but I don't know if that means the single certs are massively inflated, or if they are just the natural tradeoff for album certs plummeting due to the way music is consumed now. Single certs are what got easier, not album certs...we haven't had a year with 100 or more certified albums since 2009. And it's actually the gold-cert range that took the biggest hit, relatively speaking. I also think labels and fans are putting more emphasis on the gold and 1x platinum cert announcements now than they did back in the day, which probably gives the feeling that there are more of them despite evidence indicating otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 6:09:18 GMT -5
It's important to remember that the chart is by year released. So all the years on the first half had decades to accumulate the certs,
I really don't see an issue that today's best albums over the next couple of decades will accumulate enough streams to have at least as good a level of certs overall as those albums from decades ago,
Certification is a long game. It takes time to accumulate the numbers. Be patient, I do think people got spoiled by a brief period during digital sales but that level of certification instantly is a blip and not historical pattern, streams will continue to add up as the years go on. There will be diamond albums/singles from 2016-2020. Just gonna need some time. Same as it used to to get there,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 7:16:42 GMT -5
How many streams does something like Humble get a year now?
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Post by strongerq on Jan 9, 2021 8:25:47 GMT -5
And a ton easier to achieve than In the past. This was my first post. I certainly have not contradicted myself. It still also remains true getting a certification is easier today. Perhaps getting a diamond record isn't, but I never discussed diamond or multiple platinum. Just simply the riaa handing out certifications. I will also point out for clarity that I also never made a distinction between new music and old music. Both benefit from allowing streams to count towards the certifications easily handed out nowadays. OK. Understand this. There are 2 types of certifications. For Albums & for Singles. Forget the singles for a second, we will talk about albums first.
Back in the 90s/early 00s within a year 80-100+ albums were selling 1 Million sales. So example January 1999-Dec 1999 you had 90 albums that achieved that.
Jan 2020 - Dec 2020 - 23 albums have reached 1 Million Album units Jan 2019 - Dec 2019 - 18 albums 1M+ Jan 2018 - Dec 2018 - 19 albums 1M+
In 2019 exaclty 76 albums had 500K Album Units. What you call Gold.
So now in 2019 76 albums had Gold sales, while in 2000 100+ had Platinum sales. How many had Gold, i don't have the data, but probably 250+.
So if you have finished second grade you would understand, that it was easier back in the day to get any kind of album certification.
*I haven't even read the rules of conduct on this forum but whatever.*
So now we go back to Singles certifications. For the love of god don't compare Singles to Albums, nor their certifications.
The Award is called Digital Single Award. So it is meant for this age and era, so you can't compare with Singles from earlier decades, because it didn't even exist back then in this form. This award is meant to measure singles success from this age forward, and that's it.
This is the first reply you got for your comment, and i explained everything to you, why are you still arguing and not realizing such simple thing is beyond me. Read it again. And remember Single =/=Album
And a ton easier to achieve than In the past. If you mean for singles, the award is literally called DIGITAL Single Award. So it is pointless to compare to previous decades. That award is meant for this era and the future. Also Diamond Single =/= Diamond Album
- I have seen comparisons like this... please don't. But if you meant for albums it is easier to get, thanks to streaming. Well The best selling album in the streaming era (2015-) is '25'. But that is mostly thanks to big pure sales, so i will ignore it (11.7M BB units). The second biggest album is 'Views' which sits at 6.7M Album Untis (using Billbaord/Nielsen formula, RIAA should be higher but not by much - because the albums isn't big on video streaming).
The third biggest one is 'beerbongs & bentleys' sitting at 6M. Only 8 albums have crossed the 5M mark in the Streaming Era. (using Billboard/Nielsen units formula) Should i point out how many albums sold 5M + each year in other decades, should i point out how many albums reached Diamond status within a year or two back in the days. I don't think it will be neccessary. It is harder to get album certifications now, everyone knows it. tl;dr: The Digital Single Award is meant for this era, so don't compare with previous eras. Regarding albums it is a lot harder to get higher certificaions.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 9, 2021 9:15:04 GMT -5
You need to understand that Weeknd won't have another hit from this era..the peak was 'blinding lights'..also 'heartless' was a cute hit with longevity...but don't expect another hit from this era
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 9, 2021 9:42:58 GMT -5
The closest the update has been to normal since last year.
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/01/09
1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 136.67(+0.52) 2(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 126.85(+1.16) 3(=) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 115.59(-0.12) 4(=) Ariana Grande - positions 115.00(+1.07) 5(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 98.07(-0.17) 6(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 94.24(-1.16) 7(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 92.79(-0.36) 8(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 88.39(-1.14) 9(=) AJR - Bang! 80.52(+0.31) 10(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 75.30(+0.95)
11(=) Justin Bieber & benny blanco - Lonely 68.26(+0.77)
12(=) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 67.12(+1.21) 19(+2) Lady A - Champagne Night (From Songland) 51.79(+1.48)
24(+4) Luke Combs - Better Together 44.33(+1.18)
27(=) Dan + Shay - I Should Probably Go To Bed 43.95(+0.79)
30(+4) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 40.47(+0.94)
39(=) Morgan Wallen - More Than My Hometown 37.26(+0.72) 92(+5) CJ - Whoopty 18.88(+0.88)
-(-) Morgan Wallen - 7 Summers 17.09(+0.71) -(-) Becky G & Ozuna - No Drama 5.87(+0.71) +
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Post by strongerq on Jan 9, 2021 10:12:22 GMT -5
How often does this happen with big releases ?
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jan 9, 2021 12:05:42 GMT -5
strongerq Last time this happened was with Justin's own "Yummy", if I recall correctly. If it keeps gaining tomorrow, then it's probably the effect of a double radio deal.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 9, 2021 12:20:29 GMT -5
^Radio Payola2
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Post by strongerq on Jan 9, 2021 12:26:48 GMT -5
strongerq Last time this happened was with Justin's own "Yummy", if I recall correctly. If it keeps gaining tomorrow, then it's probably the effect of a double radio deal. Interesting
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 9, 2021 12:36:17 GMT -5
Yummy actually had the biggest single Mediabase drop that I can remember on its eighth day:
32(-9) Justin Bieber - Yummy 8 47.51(-11.22)
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jan 9, 2021 12:37:42 GMT -5
Hm...so it's likely not another radio deal, then...
Still very suspicious and unusual, though.
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Post by spiritboy on Jan 9, 2021 12:41:31 GMT -5
Wish The Weeknd was promoting Hardest to Love instead of SYT, but good luck to him cause it's sitting pretty right now (the virality of his Kardashian-esque face has helped) On the topic of post-album singles, I've been waiting for Golden to have its Watermelon Sugar streaming surge moment but I haven't gotten that yet and I fear it won't survive the winter freeze either. But for context it has re-entered at a new peak in the UK and rebounded on the singles charts from the last Christmas week (internationally, at that). So hopefully this works out ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) Hardest to Love deserves to be a single.
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Post by Taylor. on Jan 9, 2021 12:44:46 GMT -5
Scooter loves a late week radio push to maximize points. Yummy had huge updates the last few days of the tracking week, I think Lonely and Holy did as well. Difference is Yummy had a radio deal on day 1 and Lonely and Anyone did not.
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Post by Choco on Jan 9, 2021 12:56:57 GMT -5
How often does this happen with big releases ? It did not have a radio deal for it's first day unless I'm mistaken. Plus with year-end stuff out of the way there are way more slots open for radio to play songs.
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Post by 85la on Jan 9, 2021 14:53:42 GMT -5
Yeah if a song doesn't have a radio deal its first day and only had like 1 or 2 million impressions, it's quite easy to improve upon that on the eighth day.
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Post by 85la on Jan 9, 2021 14:58:57 GMT -5
Wish The Weeknd was promoting Hardest to Love instead of SYT, but good luck to him cause it's sitting pretty right now (the virality of his Kardashian-esque face has helped) On the topic of post-album singles, I've been waiting for Golden to have its Watermelon Sugar streaming surge moment but I haven't gotten that yet and I fear it won't survive the winter freeze either. But for context it has re-entered at a new peak in the UK and rebounded on the singles charts from the last Christmas week (internationally, at that). So hopefully this works out ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) What is the "winter freeze"? There's the holiday freeze, but after that I'm not aware of any other freeze. Now and the next couple months is actually the time when new songs can start picking up steam.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 15:01:36 GMT -5
This was my first post. I certainly have not contradicted myself. It still also remains true getting a certification is easier today. Perhaps getting a diamond record isn't, but I never discussed diamond or multiple platinum. Just simply the riaa handing out certifications. I will also point out for clarity that I also never made a distinction between new music and old music. Both benefit from allowing streams to count towards the certifications easily handed out nowadays. OK. Understand this. There are 2 types of certifications. For Albums & for Singles. Forget the singles for a second, we will talk about albums first.
Back in the 90s/early 00s within a year 80-100+ albums were selling 1 Million sales. So example January 1999-Dec 1999 you had 90 albums that achieved that.
Jan 2020 - Dec 2020 - 23 albums have reached 1 Million Album units Jan 2019 - Dec 2019 - 18 albums 1M+ Jan 2018 - Dec 2018 - 19 albums 1M+
In 2019 exaclty 76 albums had 500K Album Units. What you call Gold.
So now in 2019 76 albums had Gold sales, while in 2000 100+ had Platinum sales. How many had Gold, i don't have the data, but probably 250+.
So if you have finished second grade you would understand, that it was easier back in the day to get any kind of album certification.
*I haven't even read the rules of conduct on this forum but whatever.*
So now we go back to Singles certifications. For the love of god don't compare Singles to Albums, nor their certifications.
The Award is called Digital Single Award. So it is meant for this age and era, so you can't compare with Singles from earlier decades, because it didn't even exist back then in this form. This award is meant to measure singles success from this age forward, and that's it.
This is the first reply you got for your comment, and i explained everything to you, why are you still arguing and not realizing such simple thing is beyond me. Read it again. And remember Single =/=Album
If you mean for singles, the award is literally called DIGITAL Single Award. So it is pointless to compare to previous decades. That award is meant for this era and the future. Also Diamond Single =/= Diamond Album
- I have seen comparisons like this... please don't. But if you meant for albums it is easier to get, thanks to streaming. Well The best selling album in the streaming era (2015-) is '25'. But that is mostly thanks to big pure sales, so i will ignore it (11.7M BB units). The second biggest album is 'Views' which sits at 6.7M Album Untis (using Billbaord/Nielsen formula, RIAA should be higher but not by much - because the albums isn't big on video streaming).
The third biggest one is 'beerbongs & bentleys' sitting at 6M. Only 8 albums have crossed the 5M mark in the Streaming Era. (using Billboard/Nielsen units formula) Should i point out how many albums sold 5M + each year in other decades, should i point out how many albums reached Diamond status within a year or two back in the days. I don't think it will be neccessary. It is harder to get album certifications now, everyone knows it. tl;dr: The Digital Single Award is meant for this era, so don't compare with previous eras. Regarding albums it is a lot harder to get higher certificaions.
I understand fully well the distinctions. i also know full well thst I never specified any criteria, im not sure why you keep insisting on criteria or specifications to my statement. i also do not appreciate the persons, attacks in your post instead of discussing the issue. if I say the Sky is blue, will it become a discussion on the shades of blue, or that sometimes it is cloudy? If I say I like apples do I need to specify exactly what type of apples?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 16:03:06 GMT -5
I should have known better that pulse wouldn't be any different. That one can't simply make a post without it being nit picked apart and he poster being attacked and called an iidiot.
Sometimes posts really are just a simple post meant as a sort of flippant joke,
Should I deem it ever necessary to post again on these forums, I will make sure I add some thesis style disclaimer to my post attempting to explsisll the nuances or lack of nuances in my post, in the meantime return to your usual anal-retentativeness.
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Post by dovahduck on Jan 9, 2021 16:09:05 GMT -5
I should have known better that pulse wouldn't be any different. That one can't simply make a post without it being nit picked apart and he poster being attacked and called an iidiot. Sometimes posts really are just a simple post meant as a sort of flippant joke, Should I deem it ever necessary to post again on these forums, I will make sure I add some thesis style disclaimer to my post attempting to explsisll the nuances or lack of nuances in my post, in the meantime return to your usual anal-retentativeness. π
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jan 9, 2021 16:11:35 GMT -5
I should have known better that pulse wouldn't be any different. That one can't simply make a post without it being nit picked apart and he poster being attacked and called an iidiot. Sometimes posts really are just a simple post meant as a sort of flippant joke, Should I deem it ever necessary to post again on these forums, I will make sure I add some thesis style disclaimer to my post attempting to explsisll the nuances or lack of nuances in my post, in the meantime return to your usual anal-retentativeness. its not that deep bb, just move on Itβs not personal
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