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Post by Groovy on Jan 13, 2021 19:42:52 GMT -5
^Or if you don't like the song, don't enjoy it, no reason to drag on this argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:16:41 GMT -5
I said in the other thread and I'll say it here, who the hell cares if it's her first single or not? Just enjoy the song and move on, there's no need to be a whole argument on whether it is or isn't. Who cares? Probably chart historians and fans who want accurate records. it has nothing to do with liking the song or not, in fact I haven't even heard it yet as it still hasn't been sent to radio yet and we haven't gotten it here yet, which is usually what I wait for, it to arrive in the office. the determination of what the song is will affect several chart records. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:17:56 GMT -5
As we have established that Billboard calls it a "debut single" regardless of briefly charting a year ago This should hopefully be the ringing endorsement we all are looking for whether or not we all here agree to finish this Billboard might be a bad judge. However, in their house it is their rules that is all that matters. "Official debut single". Not "debut single". |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jan 13, 2021 20:19:11 GMT -5
OH MY GOD.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:23:24 GMT -5
There's a long history of revisionism in music charts in order to generate bether publicity, both by artists/labels and the charts themselves. alanis morrossette is about the pinnacle,e of the madness. N-I-T-P-I-C-K-I-N-G Seriously? so let me get this straight so I understand, stanverse (And business's/marketing) can change wording whenever they want to make their favs look good - however it is nitpicking when you point out that they needed to determine it as a song by adding the stipulation, released on a Tuesday, in the rain, by a blonde reporter. is the hypocrisy really that hard to see? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 13, 2021 20:35:47 GMT -5
Because no one cares? If the song is βmislabeledβ, who or what will be affected?
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Post by Groovy on Jan 13, 2021 20:38:47 GMT -5
I said in the other thread and I'll say it here, who the hell cares if it's her first single or not? Just enjoy the song and move on, there's no need to be a whole argument on whether it is or isn't. Who cares? Probably chart historians and fans who want accurate records. it has nothing to do with liking the song or not, in fact I haven't even heard it yet as it still hasn't been sent to radio yet and we haven't gotten it here yet, which is usually what I wait for, it to arrive in the office. the determination of what the song is will affect several chart records. Is it that serious that y'all gotta debate it all day? It's literally the smallest thing that y'all are dragging on like move on, it's not serious at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:47:43 GMT -5
Who cares? Probably chart historians and fans who want accurate records. it has nothing to do with liking the song or not, in fact I haven't even heard it yet as it still hasn't been sent to radio yet and we haven't gotten it here yet, which is usually what I wait for, it to arrive in the office. the determination of what the song is will affect several chart records. Is it that serious that y'all gotta debate it all day? It's literally the smallest thing that y'all are dragging on like move on, it's not serious at all. It probably matters to the artists who will lose their billboard records over it. |
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Post by Groovy on Jan 13, 2021 20:51:31 GMT -5
Is it that serious that y'all gotta debate it all day? It's literally the smallest thing that y'all are dragging on like move on, it's not serious at all. It probably matters to the artists who will lose their billboard records over it. They'll get over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 20:58:47 GMT -5
Because no one cares? If the song is βmislabeledβ, who or what will be affected? Chart records. The artists with those chart records. i mean like, it's not like I'm arguing over some random album track that managed to get enough streams to chart on the Hot 100 during album release. the song was written by her. it was released by Disney, Disney gave it an official video. The song went gold RIAA. It got unsolicited AirPlay from pop. It was a huge tiktok thing. By last October it had accumulated over a 100m Spotify streams. She did a ton of interviews about the song. i also find it highly entertaining that everyone wants radio gone from the charts, but is using radio as the justification. |
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Post by Gary on Jan 13, 2021 21:03:45 GMT -5
As we have established that Billboard calls it a "debut single" regardless of briefly charting a year ago This should hopefully be the ringing endorsement we all are looking for whether or not we all here agree to finish this "Official debut single". Not "debut single". "Official" meaning the one that is recognized as such - anything else is not recognized that way Regardless of how you want to spin it. "Debut single" it is as Billboard says so, their house, their rules and that is all that matters |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 21:48:11 GMT -5
Excellent article by Rolling Stone on RIAA certs up by huge amounts. Saw an advance copy of the article but couldn't use it as a source as it want out yet,
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 13, 2021 22:00:59 GMT -5
The change from wishing fellow Americans βMerry Christmasβ to wishing them βHappy Holidaysβ is a very significant development.
Proponents of βHappy Holidaysβ argue itβs no big deal - proponents of βMerry Christmasβ are making a mountain out of a molehill.
But the βHappy Holidaysβ advocates want it both ways. They dismiss opponents as hysterical; but at the same time, in addition to replacing βMerry Christmasβ with βHappy Holidays,β they have relentlessly pushed to replace βChristmas vacationβ with βwinter vacationβ and βChristmas partyβ with βHoliday Party.β
So, then, which is it? Is all this elimination of the word βChristmasβ important or not?
The answer is obvious. Itβs very important. Thatβs why so much effort is devoted to substituting other words for βChristmas.β And these efforts have been extraordinarily successful. In place of the universal βMerry Christmasβ of my youth, in recent decades I have been wished βHappy Holidaysβ by every waiter and waitress in every restaurant I have dined; by everyone who welcomes me at any business; by my flight attendants and pilots; and by just about everyone else.
When I respond, βThank you. Merry Christmas!β I often sense that I have actually created some tension. Many of those I wish βMerry Christmasβ are probably relieved to hear someone who feels free to utter the βCβ word, but all the sensitivity training theyβve had to undergo creates cognitive dissonance.
The opponents of βMerry Christmasβ and other uses of the word βChristmasβ know exactly what theyβre doing. Theyβre disingenuous when they dismiss defenders of βMerry Christmasβ as fabricating some βWar on Christmas.β Of course itβs a war on Christmas, or, more precisely, a war on the religious nature of America. The left in America, like the left in Europe, wants to create a thoroughly secular society. Not a secular government β which is a desirable goal, and which, in any event, has always been the case in America β but a secular society.
Most people do not realize that the left believes in secularism as fervently as religious Jews and Christians believe in the Bible. Thatβs why βMerry Christmasβ bothers secular activists. Itβs a blatant reminder of just how religious America is β and always has been. So, hereβs a prediction: Activists on the left will eventually seek to remove Christmas as a national holiday. Now, the left doesnβt announce that its agenda is to thoroughly secularize American and
European societies. Instead, they offer the inclusiveness argument: that βMerry Christmasβ or βChristmas partyβ or βChristmas vacationβ is not βinclusive.β
This inclusiveness argument plays on Americansβ highly developed sense of decency. But the argument is preposterous: Who, exactly, is being excluded when one wishes someone βMerry Christmas?β Non-Christians?
Iβm a non-Christian. Iβm a Jew. Christmas is not a religious holy day for me. But Iβm an American, and Christmas is a national holiday in my country. It is, therefore, my holiday β though not my holy day β as much as it is for my fellow Americans who are Christian. Thatβs why itβs not surprising that it was an American Jew, Irving Berlin, who wrote βWhite Christmas,β one of Americaβs most popular Christmas songs. In fact, according to a Jewish musician writing in the New York Times, βAlmost all the most popular Christmas songs were written by Jews.β Apparently all these American Jews felt quite included by Christmas!
By not wishing me a Merry Christmas, you are not being inclusive. You are excluding me from one of my nationβs national holidays.
But even if Christmas were not a national holiday, I would want pilots to wish their passengers βMerry Christmas,β companies to have Christmas parties, and schools to continue to have Christmas vacations. Just because I donβt personally celebrate Christmas, why would I want to drop the word βChristmasβ when the holiday is celebrated by 90 percent of my fellow Americans?
It borders on the misanthropic, not to mention the mean-spirited, to want to deny nearly all of your fellow citizens the joy of having Christmas parties or being wished a βMerry Christmas.β The vast majority of Americans who celebrate Christmas, and who treat non-Christians so well, deserve better.
So, please say βMerry Christmasβ and βChristmas partyβ and βChristmas vacation.β If you donβt, youβre not βinclusive.β Youβre hurtful.
Iβm Dennis Prager.
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Post by gatlin77 on Jan 13, 2021 23:16:44 GMT -5
It probably matters to the artists who will lose their billboard records over it. They'll get over it. Well, you're not wrong. At day's end, none of this matters. Can you provide an example of an artist who will lose their record? It just seems like nitpicking for the sake of creating an argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 0:38:19 GMT -5
Well, you're not wrong. At day's end, none of this matters. Can you provide an example of an artist who will lose their record? It just seems like nitpicking for the sake of creating an argument. It doesn't matter to them That people get cancelled because it's just a bunch of old people losing out to them. Now if the word games wrote off some records by other acts they stan or other Stan groups, it would be a holy war. We've seen it many times in these hot 100 threads. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jan 14, 2021 2:04:56 GMT -5
Is y'all done yet or....
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Jan 14, 2021 5:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by Groovy on Jan 14, 2021 8:58:36 GMT -5
I think they are, literally arguing over the smallest thing, if chart historians want "accurate" records then tell them to do it themselves and stop relying on someone else, if artists are feeling some type of way over this record tell them to suck it up and move on with their lives. Y'all just arguing about nothing, it's not that serious at all. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 14, 2021 9:00:52 GMT -5
While that is a valid point, if you search up "Olivia Rodrigo debut single," "drivers license" is what comes up first. Every news publication talking about the records the song has broken has referred to it as her debut single. Wasn't it you who stubbornly stuck to calling "Bang!" a rock song because of Billboard? In this article cited below, Billboard itself calls it her "official debut single." www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9510236/olivia-rodrigo-drivers-license-hit-song-2021/Have a nice dey! Edit: I just realized Gary said it first. My bad. Official debut single - drivers license, debut single - all I want, for marketing purposes look for the next song to be called the ultimate debut single. i remember back in 2012 I took an mba level course at the local university. It was paid for so why not take it. Anyway I recall the very first thing the professor who was the dean of the business faculty said, even before her name, "anyone that passes in a paper that quotes either google or Wikipedia as a source gets an F in this course.". And yet the post you quote uses Billboard as a reference... |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 14, 2021 10:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by monkeydluffy on Jan 14, 2021 13:09:33 GMT -5
Well, you're not wrong. At day's end, none of this matters. Can you provide an example of an artist who will lose their record? It just seems like nitpicking for the sake of creating an argument. It doesn't matter to them That people get cancelled because it's just a bunch of old people losing out to them. Now if the word games wrote off some records by other acts they stan or other Stan groups, it would be a holy war. We've seen it many times in these hot 100 threads.LOL This TROLL joins December 2020 and acts like they've been here for years |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 15:49:45 GMT -5
It doesn't matter to them That people get cancelled because it's just a bunch of old people losing out to them. Now if the word games wrote off some records by other acts they stan or other Stan groups, it would be a holy war. We've seen it many times in these hot 100 threads.LOL This TROLL joins December 2020 and acts like they've been here for years It's a public forum that thousands of guests read daily, some for years or decades. Getting an account is like pulling teeth around here. Most don't bother. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 15:51:26 GMT -5
Official debut single - drivers license, debut single - all I want, for marketing purposes look for the next song to be called the ultimate debut single. i remember back in 2012 I took an mba level course at the local university. It was paid for so why not take it. Anyway I recall the very first thing the professor who was the dean of the business faculty said, even before her name, "anyone that passes in a paper that quotes either google or Wikipedia as a source gets an F in this course.". And yet the post you quote uses Billboard as a reference... And that same article points out clearly she has also already charted, better contact Merrick Webster to change the definition of the word debut. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 14, 2021 15:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 16:00:07 GMT -5
Coming Soon!
The Official Major Label Over Four Minutes Debut Remix. The artist starts their Official career at #1!
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Post by annoymous1 on Jan 14, 2021 16:33:37 GMT -5
Crazy
Oh, oh
[Verse 1]
Baby, I'm so into you
You got that something, what can I do?
Baby, you spin me around, oh
The earth is moving, but I can't feel the ground
Every time you look at me
My heart is jumping, it's easy to see
Loving you means so much more
More than anything I ever felt before
[Chorus]
You drive me crazy, I just can't sleep
I'm so excited, I'm in too deep
Whoa, crazy, but it feels alright
Baby, thinking of you keeps me up all night
Oh, oh
[Verse 2]
Tell me you're so into me
That I'm the only one you will see
Tell me I'm not in the blue, oh
That I'm not wasting my feelings on you
Loving you means so much more
More than anything I ever felt before
[Chorus]
You drive me crazy, I just can't sleep
I'm so excited, I'm in too deep
Whoa, crazy, but it feels alright
Baby, thinking of you keeps me up all night
[Bridge]
Crazy, I just can't sleep
I'm so excited, I'm in too deep
Crazy, but it feels alright
Every day and every night
[Chorus]
You drive me crazy (You drive me crazy, baby)
I'm so excited, I'm in too deep
Whoa, crazy (You make me feel alright)
Baby, thinking of you keeps me up all night
[Outro]
You drive me crazy (You drive me crazy, baby)
Yeah, yeah
Whoa, crazy, but it feels alright
Baby, thinking of you keeps me up all night
Baby, thinking of you keeps me up all night
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Post by GP on Jan 14, 2021 16:34:58 GMT -5
yikes
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Jan 14, 2021 18:42:54 GMT -5
And yet the post you quote uses Billboard as a reference... And that same article points out clearly she has also already charted, Β better contact Merrick Webster to change the definition of the word debut. you canβt contact Merrick Webster because it doesnβt exist Also shut up |
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Post by iggyamo on Jan 14, 2021 20:46:16 GMT -5
And that same article points out clearly she has also already charted, Β better contact Merrick Webster to change the definition of the word debut. you canβt contact Merrick Webster because it doesnβt exist Also shut up Maybe he meant Merritt Wever, outsold all your favs in the hit Christmas weekend opening movie - Welcome to Marwen. |
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