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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 2, 2021 10:04:10 GMT -5
jeng- correct. Pop Songs is simply Mainstream Top 40 airplay, like Adult Pop Songs is airplay from the Adult Top 40 format, and other arplay-only charts are based on play from such formats. There is no chart ranking pop tracks, consisting of airplay, sales and streaming info. The now-defunct Pop 100 chart would have been one to combine all metrics (that chart existed before streaming entered the picture).
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 2, 2021 10:06:17 GMT -5
^Yeah. Basically Pop (Billboard) = Top 40 (radio stations)
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 2, 2021 10:08:18 GMT -5
On another note, it doesn't seem that the song Lil Wayne released did anything on the charts. I don't think many people are even aware of it.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Feb 2, 2021 10:11:12 GMT -5
In other news, no Drake in the top 20 for the first time in what feels like a while. The last chart I recall that didn’t have Drake in the top 20 was the week of June 15, 2019, just before No Guidance and Money in the Grave came out. (Correct me if I’m wrong on that.) actually, January 2, 2021, LNCL was #25 (because of Xmas, but still...) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 11:02:20 GMT -5
The Pop Songs chart doesn't include all airplay, right? But Country Songs, R&B Songs, etc include all measures and are just a ranking of those songs Billboard labels those genres? Why the difference? It's like the reverse of the Grammys where they have no Pop Song category. There is not really a difference as much as there is a whole category of charts 'missing'. Country, R&B, and Hip-Hop, but also Rock & Alternative, Dance/Electronic, Christian, and even Jazz to an extent all have charts that only include airplay from genre-specific stations, just like pop has. But they also have charts that are just like the Hot 100/BB 200 (and component charts) but filtered by Billboard's genre labels. The Pop section omits the latter charts, even though a 'Hot Pop Songs' or 'Pop Streaming Songs' would not seem that odd with all the other genres appearing on the general charts. Yet instead of adding charts for 'pop', early last year Billboard stopped compling 'pop digital song sales' as part of the larger chart compilation purge, and currently they do compile a top 50 'top pop albums' but do not publish it in full. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 2, 2021 11:06:55 GMT -5
We need to stop acting like the Recording Academy owes any artist anything. They really don't. The Weeknd shouldn't have been snubbed but he's not the first artist to get f**ked over by the committee and he won't be the last. At least, they didn't even nominate him for anything. That was a blatant "we don't want you here." Imagine he planned and executed a crazy performance only for him to lose all the awards he was nominated for? Artists who the Grammys have done that to just off the top of my head? Rihanna: 0/8 wins while in attendance Jay Z: 0/8 wins while in attendance Mariah Carey: 0/6 wins while in attendance He'll eventually get over it. It's not like he doesn't already have 3 Grammys to his name. This isn't a normal snub. The Weeknd was asked to plan a performance and the Recording Academy gave him the finger at the last minute, simply due to the Super Bowl performance at the same month. Now they delayed the Grammys. Lmao Not to play devil's advocate because I have no love for the Grammys, but the original date for this year's show wasn't going to interfere with the Weeknd's Super Bowl halftime performance, which is a part of the reason why the Weeknd was so surprised, I imagine. They knew when the next halftime performance was and they were working with the Weeknd with that in mind. My guess is that by some freak of nature occurrence, he simply didn't get any nominations. Many nominations this year were odd. Why is Beyoncè getting the most nominations with no new album or singles out? Any other year, Jhené Aiko and HAIM wouldn't even get nominations, yet alone Album of the Year nominations and the nominations for Best Rap Album would never look the way it does because the rap albums that actually dominated commercially and culturally were completely snubbed. I know it's easier for the Weeknd and his fans to believe there was some dark conspiracy involved in him not getting nominated but I personally don't believe that. He just got f**ked this year. It happens. Go back in Grammys history and see some of the snubs and it'll leave you very infuriated with how out of touch they've always been and will always be. I've never rated the award itself and I'll never rate it because some of the most impactful and iconic artists who I love (Fela Anikulapo Kuti, Bob Marley and Nas) have never won the award and it's never been a deciding factor in their legacy and influence on music. |
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Post by spiritboy on Feb 2, 2021 11:20:10 GMT -5
The producers of Grammy Awards don't want their performers to perform anywhere else, especially so close to the date of the ceremony. In the past, artist who performed at the AMAs weren't allowed to perform at Grammys but they've gone soft on it recently i guess.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 2, 2021 11:34:29 GMT -5
The producers of Grammy Awards don't want their performers to perform anywhere else, especially so close to the date of the ceremony. In the past, artist who performed at the AMAs weren't allowed to perform at Grammys but they've gone soft on it recently i guess. Well ever since 2003, AMAs switched from January to a November telecast. It wouldn’t really make sense to get mad at an artist for performing at an award show nearly 3 months apart. |
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Post by Choco on Feb 2, 2021 11:52:43 GMT -5
I just can't see any unbiased argument against "Blinding Lights" not popping up on a single category.
The awards shouldn't be about politics over performances on other shows.
To be fair to the Grammys, the entire nominations list was crap. I'm kind of rooting for my girl Dua by default, but to be honest I don't really care much (and won't be watching aside from whatever performances catch some social media hype the day after).
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 2, 2021 12:09:23 GMT -5
I just can't see any unbiased argument against "Blinding Lights" not popping up on a single category. The awards shouldn't be about politics over performances on other shows. Absolutely! And don't forget that "Blinding Lights" perfectly fits the profile of a Grammy-winning song, with its retro influences and just being a very safe choice. I mean, the last time a Year-End #1 was completely snubbed was Ke$ha's "Tik Tok", and you could make an argument it was a bit out-there for the Academy at the time, but there was no such excuse for "Blinding Lights". There were definitely politics/personal issues involved, probably the most blatant instance I've ever witnessed, and just highlights how unprofessional the committee can be. |
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Post by iHype. on Feb 2, 2021 12:16:13 GMT -5
“Blinding Lights” is like the worst snub ever in terms of songs. It might be #1 on the all time charts....
There’s not really any way they can come back from/justify a snub that bad.
GRAMMYs have always been more miss than hit though. They really don’t have any type of clue about pop culture despite being the people behind the scenes. It’s about time people moved on lol.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Feb 2, 2021 12:55:15 GMT -5
“Blinding Lights” is like the worst snub ever in terms of songs. It might be #1 on the all time charts.... There’s not really any way they can come back from/justify a snub that bad. GRAMMYs have always been more miss than hit though. They really don’t have any type of clue about pop culture despite being the people behind the scenes. It’s about time people moved on lol. They could correct the wrong nominating BL/SYT for record of the year and After Hours for Album of the Year for next year's show... Better late than never. |
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Feb 2, 2021 13:22:32 GMT -5
^ we have a whole Grammy thread that we could take this discussion to
Also, why didn’t Savage Love go recurrent? 31 weeks, no gain in performance, #51?
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Post by nathanalbright on Feb 2, 2021 13:24:06 GMT -5
SpotemGottem sounds like name of a Pokemon with weak stats Trap Rappers, gotta catch 'em all. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Feb 2, 2021 16:59:19 GMT -5
Morgan Wallen’s bomb still chart ‘blocking.’ How many other artists have had at least 5 songs from the primary album release 3 weeks after dropping?
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Post by musicspy on Feb 2, 2021 17:26:06 GMT -5
Morgan Wallen’s bomb still chart ‘blocking.’ How many other artists have had at least 5 songs from the primary album release 3 weeks after dropping? I wanted to point that out too, forgot... what a stable album bomb!! |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Feb 2, 2021 17:58:30 GMT -5
Some of y'all - "The Grammys suck, (Artist here) was snubbed! f**k the grammys!" Etc.
Also y'all - Watches the grammys and complains about snubs the next year :/
I ain't defending the snub but for people that hate the grammys and their problems, some of y'all sure do talk about em alot
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 2, 2021 17:59:57 GMT -5
Yeah guys!! Stop talking about stuff!!
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Post by lazer on Feb 2, 2021 18:14:52 GMT -5
Off topic but Silento got charged for murder.
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Post by sirskimask on Feb 3, 2021 18:44:37 GMT -5
Billboard seems very strict with enforcing the 25/52 rule, but somewhat loose with its enforcement of the 50/20. They dropped Blinding Lights Christmas week for dropping slightly below 25 (even though it would have been Top 10 that week without the Christmas songs). Here, we have a week when nothing special happens, and they keep Savage Love below 50. I can understand if there was a massive album drop and they kept a song that fell to 51 because of it, but this week is just about as normal as you can get. Sunflower and Circles were robbed of several weeks because of this yet Savage fucking Love gets to survive, smh |
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Post by Choco on Feb 3, 2021 20:13:34 GMT -5
Yeah does anyone have any idea why Savage Love is still charting?
This song is showing the worst tendencies of Billboard not really enforcing their rules equally for all songs (they added BTS credit for the clicks and now they didn't send it to recurrency).
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Post by strongerq on Feb 4, 2021 7:44:12 GMT -5
Yeah does anyone have any idea why Savage Love is still charting? This song is showing the worst tendencies of Billboard not really enforcing their rules equally for all songs (they added BTS credit for the clicks and now they didn't send it to recurrency). Rime explained it. That's happened before, the reason is because when they announce the chart, they lock down what's eligible, but sometimes some imprecision/error in the data leads to a correction that moves stuff a position or two (you may notice this on occasion when they announce positions on Twitter on Monday, but they're one off for a range on published chart on Tuesday). Icona Pop's "I Love It" and Macklemore & Ryan Lewis' "White Walls" are notable examples of surviving declining recurrents from the past, both of which likewise were at #51 on their final week. It's not an intentional save. |
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Post by sirskimask on Feb 4, 2021 15:58:43 GMT -5
Well in that case let's just hope it doesn't magically gain next week and stay on the charts longer than it should've just because of error in Billboard's data.
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