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Post by ificanthaveyou on Apr 21, 2021 21:40:40 GMT -5
The concept of re-recording becomes even less interesting to me when it comes to her more recent material like Reputation. Essentially how much different could it sound/how much could she do to actually "improve" upon it when she likely went above and beyond to perfect it just a handful of years ago? A decade changes a lot, but the re-recording of Rep seems least interesting to me. However, I am excited about and hope we get as many unreleased songs with the newer albums as we did with Fearless. I am always ready for new (to me) material! Girl it’s not supposed to be an improvement. She’s taking her coin and control back. The investors who bought her originals are crying in the club rn. She wants to devalue their investment so much that she can buy it back eventually. And she’s making more money while bleeding them dry. She’s a fucking genius. People need to understand this is not about the fans. This is a business move that Taylor is incentivizing so that she doesn’t take advantage of her fan base. Giving us new material is her way of pleasing fans while also burying the originals (for now). I’m absolutely loving it so far. The new tracks from Fearless are on the same level as evermore tracks for me, and I’ve had them on repeat for weeks (even when I wasn’t a huge fan of the originals when they were released way back when). I’m also curious to know if Taylor can slip in new songs and call them “From the Vault”. Lol would we ever know? I mean, let’s say she wants to create some new music in the vein of Reputation and tack in onto that re-release... it isn’t a crime for her to do that. I’m excited that we might get some bangers from her.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 21, 2021 21:53:53 GMT -5
Girl it’s not supposed to be an improvement. Girl I was more or less using her own words in terms of these re-recordings. She said on Fearless for example, she went line by line, carefully listened to how she sang each and made improvements of the song where needed/where she could while still staying as true as possible. Contradictory statements for the win! I and every other regular in this thread *obviously* understand why she is and isn't doing this. Still, given she and her team are making these re-recordings "events" and are pushing them strongly to maximize chart performance, it certainly does quickly become about incentivizing to fans for maximum profit/the best commercial outcome (particularly as I am sure she would like to recoup some re-recording costs). So, yes, they've made it about the fans too. Meanwhile in other news I believe Evermore has recently passed 1 milli SPS in the US (YAAAAS):
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Apr 21, 2021 22:13:01 GMT -5
Girl it’s not supposed to be an improvement. Girl I was more or less using her own words in terms of these re-recordings. She said on Fearless for example, she went line by line, carefully listened to how she sang each and made improvements of the song where needed/where she could while still staying as true as possible. Contradictory statements for the win! I and every other regular in this thread *obviously* understand why she is and isn't doing this. Still, given she and her team are making these re-recordings "events" and are pushing them strongly to maximize chart performance, it certainly does quickly become about incentivizing to fans for maximum profit/the best commercial outcome (particularly as I am sure she would like to recoup some re-recording costs). So, yes, they've made it about the fans too. I’m sure Taylor wanted to paint a beautiful picture, but she is re-releasing to regain control, and as a byproduct her fans can enjoy her older music without listeners guilt. I mean, I haven’t listened to her originals for years now because I support the point she is trying to make here. The way Scott betrayed her after years of a successful collaboration, and the way he sold it to Scooter of all people. But Taylor is a marketing genius and tacked on the new tracks to make it fresh. It also keeps it from looking like a money grab. So yes, catering to the fans has been a fun byproduct of it, and another selling point for the re-releases. But would there be all these re-releases if she owned the masters? Probably not. Your original post reads like: “We’ll I’m not interested in the Reputation re-recordings because she’s not going to be able to improve on them since they are so recent.” And as we both agreed on, improving the originals isn’t the point of this. It may be an added bonus or a byproduct of the re-recordings (especially if you enjoy her adult voice more) but her going line by line trying to mimic every note and inflection is just proof changing/improving isn’t the intention here.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 21, 2021 22:31:15 GMT -5
Your original post reads like: “We’ll I’m not interested in the Reputation re-recordings because she’s not going to be able to improve on them since they are so recent.” And as we both agreed on, improving the originals isn’t the point of this. It may be an added bonus or a byproduct of the re-recordings (especially if you enjoy her adult voice more) but her going line by line trying to mimic every note and inflection is just proof changing/improving isn’t the intention here. Ok? lol Again, we all here know why she is and isn't re-recording. The byproduct of potential differences (like some I can hear here and there on Fearless) are the only things that make these re-recordings personally interesting to me, barring the unreleased tracks, and the chances of those differences being present in a more recent album are much lower as the production/her vocals/her general approach with the original material is far more recent). All I was saying with my passing comment. lol
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Post by wwr on Apr 22, 2021 0:40:42 GMT -5
Guys, these re-recordings are NOT a gift to her fans She's doing these for herself, mainly to prove a point and make some changes in how the industry works and how it treats artists (which i respect)
What she IS giving fans is some unreleased songs as an incentive to buy&stream HER versions (which is a very smart move)
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 22, 2021 0:44:54 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like some of y'all just don't understand that people can appreciate why she's rerecording but not appreciate the actual rerecordings themselves since there's literally nothing new to them outside of a subtle inflection change that stans are creaming themselves over for some weird reason.
Honestly, if my $0.00001 per stream goes to someone other than the millionaire businesswoman Taylor Swift, who is still going to get some fraction of that negligible amount because she's the songwriter already, I'm not losing sleep over it. But I do stand by the principal of the mater of a musician being able to own their masters or at the very least have a say in who owns them. This is an entirely possible stance to have and continuing to chant "she's not doing it to better the originals" over and over again isn't going to magically change anyone's opinions on enjoying the rerecordings from a listener's perspective.
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Post by Choco on Apr 22, 2021 9:53:37 GMT -5
I expect reputation and 1989 to sound the same and that's fine. The changes are not the point. And aside from improved vocals... they can be potentially detrimental, like how the subtle production changes on YBWM didn't really improve it.
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Post by Mayman on Apr 22, 2021 11:43:28 GMT -5
For me, I'm fine if they sound the exact same. I'm more than happy to switch out the original recordings for the re-recordings. I was planning on buying all of her albums on vinyl, but since the re-recordings are pretty similar and even improved, I am now going to purchase each re-recorded album whenever they're released.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 22, 2021 13:44:25 GMT -5
Yeah I feel like some of y'all just don't understand that people can appreciate why she's rerecording but not appreciate the actual rerecordings themselves since there's literally nothing new to them outside of a subtle inflection change that stans are creaming themselves over for some weird reason. Honestly, if my $0.00001 per stream goes to someone other than the millionaire businesswoman Taylor Swift, who is still going to get some fraction of that negligible amount because she's the songwriter already, I'm not losing sleep over it. But I do stand by the principal of the mater of a musician being able to own their masters or at the very least have a say in who owns them. This is an entirely possible stance to have and continuing to chant "she's not doing it to better the originals" over and over again isn't going to magically change anyone's opinions on enjoying the rerecordings from a listener's perspective. Agreed on all points. Yes!
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Post by schnetzka on Apr 22, 2021 13:47:22 GMT -5
I was apprehensive about the re-recordings at first because I was afraid it was going to change the magic and differ from the original. I'm glad she is sticking to the original 100% because that allows me to enjoy it in its entirety. All I know is by the end of the re-recordings, my entire library is going to be full of Taylor Swift songs. Moreso than everybody else if she's going to keep releasing 27 songs per album lol.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Apr 25, 2021 3:53:06 GMT -5
Reputation vault tracks are gonna slap, I can feel it. Right? I’m waiting for the Max Martin / Antonoff banger extras pls.
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Post by theflying on Apr 25, 2021 10:28:00 GMT -5
You Are In Love just clicked with me. How have I slept on that song this whole time.
Um, Wonderland, You Are In Love, and New Romantics are better than How You Get The Girl, This Love, and I Know Places.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 25, 2021 16:35:10 GMT -5
For me, I'm fine if they sound the exact same. I'm more than happy to switch out the original recordings for the re-recordings. I was planning on buying all of her albums on vinyl, but since the re-recordings are pretty similar and even improved, I am now going to purchase each re-recorded album whenever they're released. Thanks for giving me the idea to buy the re-recordings in vinyl form for the albums I already own on CD. Although, since she clearly got vocal lessons between Speak Now and Red, maybe I will buy Speak Now again on CD when she re-releases it, but yeah, I am not really interested in buying new versions of 1989 and Rep, but maybe I will get them on vinyl instead.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Apr 25, 2021 17:58:30 GMT -5
You Are In Love just clicked with me. How have I slept on that song this whole time. Um, Wonderland, You Are In Love, and New Romantics are better than How You Get The Girl, This Love, and I Know Places. Absolutely not, How You Get The Girl is Max Martin/Shellback gold.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 26, 2021 11:04:06 GMT -5
she's a swiftie in case you needed proof
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 26, 2021 13:06:33 GMT -5
LOL as if anyone needed that video to know Olivia is a Swiftie. The minute she dropped Driver's License, the world knew.
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Post by Au$tin on Apr 27, 2021 9:31:40 GMT -5
Um, Wonderland, You Are In Love, and New Romantics are better than How You Get The Girl, This Love, and I Know Places. I know we're all allowed to have opinions, but...
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 27, 2021 12:44:44 GMT -5
You Are In Love just clicked with me. How have I slept on that song this whole time. Um, Wonderland, You Are In Love, and New Romantics are better than How You Get The Girl, This Love, and I Know Places. Wow, I kinda agree...except I will not abide This Love slander.
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Post by theflying on Apr 27, 2021 17:38:44 GMT -5
I’m not slandering This Love. But, it’s far more plodding than You Are In Love. And YAIL is so much more well-written.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 27, 2021 18:14:56 GMT -5
The bridge of This Love tho...
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Post by HamedM1 💔 on Apr 27, 2021 18:22:40 GMT -5
This Love & You Are In Love are both gorgeous, though I prefer the former
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Post by justlurkingaround on Apr 28, 2021 6:03:47 GMT -5
Not here for "This Love" slander. "When you're young, you just run, but you come back to what you need" remains one of my favorite TS lyrics.
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Post by ethanhunt on Apr 28, 2021 11:55:53 GMT -5
i don't think you can remove "This Love" from the main tracklist of 1989 because i feel like it's a pretty pivotal point in the album that's very clearly about this on and off again relationship, whereas "YAIL" doesn't really fit into that narrative even if you could argue it's a better song
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Post by wwr on Apr 28, 2021 18:41:29 GMT -5
You Are in Love is my fave taylor song... not because of the lyrics, but that production! gosh! jack did THAT
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Post by NeRD on Apr 28, 2021 19:32:28 GMT -5
folklore is still perfect for me. Still as powerful as the first listen.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 29, 2021 0:52:57 GMT -5
Any chance Wildest Dream (TV) will resemble the superior single/video remix? That version was never commercially available or on streaming. That would definitely be a 'bonus' for 1989. It's a bit hard to tell with all the background noise on the trailer.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Apr 29, 2021 3:34:03 GMT -5
Any chance Wildest Dream (TV) will resemble the superior single/video remix? That version was never commercially available or on streaming. That would definitely be a 'bonus' for 1989. It's a bit hard to tell with all the background noise on the trailer. im like 99% sure that will be the version released. The audio isolated away from the trailer noises have the drums.
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