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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 20, 2024 19:12:05 GMT -5
To be fair - a lot of these are things fans say are eggs, and then nothing happens with. Not every single thing the woman does is an easter egg. She isn’t the Easter bunny lol. Which is why I clarified above I understand not everything fans think are eggs are eggs, and that's the issue. She's made the whole egging thing so convoluted with all the cryptic, far-in-advance clues that no one has a good grasp of what is and isn't eggs and what is or isn't coming. lol Which, it's like who cares, but I just don't like the idea that she and her team may be doing this purposely to keep fans relentlessly looking and engaged between releases with no actual payoff, but I suppose it's up to them if they participate. All in all I was merely saying I understand why some might be disappointed. And I respect your stance as well, even if we disagree, 100%! Thanks for being cordial in the discussion!
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Post by gbaby on Aug 21, 2024 9:27:04 GMT -5
And once again got a whole lot of nothing in London for all that egging she has been doing. A measly "Florida" performance and an appearance by a producer everyone's tired of her working with (that I pray she takes a break from for TS12). lol Rep and debut is definitely not coming until late next year. She's just egging people to keep their eyes on her constantly for no reason at this point. lol It is definitely gonna continue with that exaggerated, prolonged 2 tvs 1 year, then an album, 2 tvs 1 year, then an album pattern (stretching this re-release schedule out 5 whole years). lol 🙄 I don't know that that's more than conjecture. This is what I am confused about - what eggs has she dropped for rep TV? I never claimed she dropped eggs for Rep TV specifically, just that she has been egging throughout her tour and Travis egged for London. Her entire range of color block outfits on tour are eggs in themselves. The "piano malfunctions" recently are eggs. The two fingers up is an egg. We know she eggs in her Instagram posts and there are eggs there. I mean the list goes on and on and on, not for a "Reputation TV" announcement, but for a pending event/announcement in general. If you're a fan, I don't know how you wouldn't be privy to all these things. Btw: I know not everything a fan perceives to be an egg, is an egg, but that's my point. She has made egging in general all so convoluted with how cryptic it has gotten that no one knows what's going on. Lol This seems to cover it pretty succinctly, imo.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 21, 2024 12:33:26 GMT -5
I don't know that that's more than conjecture. Overwhelming "conjecture", being the prime criticism of TTPD in its critic reviews, as well as the overwhelming consensus from most casual and devoted fans after hearing Tortured Poets: most everyone was wanting a switch up of producers and sound. The universal sentiment was the two needed to take at the very least a break from one another, with others saying their creativity had run its course. And before we play a game of semantics, I'm aware it wasn't literally every single person saying this, but it absolutely was a very large, noteable, and vocal percentage. But if you don't think so let it be reported she's working yet again with him on TS12 and await the audible groans. lol
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Post by gbaby on Aug 22, 2024 11:11:53 GMT -5
I don't know that that's more than conjecture. Overwhelming "conjecture", being the prime criticism of TTPD in its critic reviews, as well as the overwhelming consensus from most casual and devoted fans after hearing Tortured Poets: most everyone was wanting a switch up of producers and sound. The universal sentiment was the two needed to take at the very least a break from one another, with others saying their creativity had run its course. And before we play a game of semantics, I'm aware it wasn't literally every single person saying this, but it absolutely was a very large, noteable, and vocal percentage. But if you don't think so let it be reported she's working yet again with him on TS12 and await the audible groans. lol Ah yes, as proven by the very few people who have bought or streamed the album. Sure, Jan.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Aug 22, 2024 11:17:07 GMT -5
Overwhelming "conjecture", being the prime criticism of TTPD in its critic reviews, as well as the overwhelming consensus from most casual and devoted fans after hearing Tortured Poets: most everyone was wanting a switch up of producers and sound. The universal sentiment was the two needed to take at the very least a break from one another, with others saying their creativity had run its course. And before we play a game of semantics, I'm aware it wasn't literally every single person saying this, but it absolutely was a very large, noteable, and vocal percentage. But if you don't think so let it be reported she's working yet again with him on TS12 and await the audible groans. lol Ah yes, as proven by the very few people who have bought or streamed the album. Sure, Jan. You realize that doesn't automatically mean people aren't ready for a different producer, right? Or is she supposed to run sales and streams into the ground before switching things up in your estimation? You have many fans like myself who love the album (it's actually my favorite Taylor album), yet still are wanting her to work with different producers and/or are tired of Jack's production and just wanting some variation. Like I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove referencing streams and stats as that in no way disproves people wanting variation in the producers she works with as there are about a million and one things contributing to both sales and streams. Buyers and streamers aside, if she is wanting her work to not take a critical nosedive she absolutely needs to switch things up with her next release, like it or not (and we know Taylor pays very close attention to criticism, especially criticisms from professional critics and deeply values her work's reception in that respect, so I fully expect her to do so, or at the very least hire Jack for fewer tracks).
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Aug 22, 2024 12:09:57 GMT -5
TTPD is my favourite album, and I adore her work with Dessner, but it would be nice to see her branch out next one.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Aug 22, 2024 13:53:54 GMT -5
I think people are likely setting themselves up to be disappointed if they think she’s going in a different direction with production. She clearly has an amazing relationship and partnership with Jack and Aaron. That, plus the record-breaking success. I just don’t see her willing to change things up because of a few groans about wanting a different producer. Personally, I hope she sticks with them. I think folklore, midnights, and TTPD are her best work and these two deserve a lot of credit for that. Sign me up for more of the same!
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 22, 2024 15:24:21 GMT -5
I think people are likely setting themselves up to be disappointed if they think she’s going in a different direction with production. She clearly has an amazing relationship and partnership with Jack and Aaron. That, plus the record-breaking success. I just don’t see her willing to change things up because of a few groans about wanting a different producer. Personally, I hope she sticks with them. I think folklore, midnights, and TTPD are her best work and these two deserve a lot of credit for that. Sign me up for more of the same! But here is the thing, its not a few people groaning.... a lot of the fan base in these threads have expressed their want for something different next time, with most saying something more dance related. That doesn't mean the fan base didn't love the last few albums (obviously, as you stated, they are wild successes), but it doesn't mean Taylor can't keep evolving her sound either (one of the points of the Era's tour is how much she can change). Additionally, she can totally rock with the same team. While I will say Aaron maybe is a bit one-note in his vibe, there is a place for that on any album. Jack has a massive production discography that is often overlooked, and his star power is actually rising still, so I think there is a 0% chance he is going anywhere. He can push Taylor's sound in a ton of directions though. A few of the songs hes produced that people overlook: - fun. (We Are Young, Some Nights, Carry On) - Sara Bareilles (Brave) - Taylor 1989 (Out of the Woods, I Wish You Would, You Are In Love) - Zayn / Taylor (I Don't Wanna Live Forever) - Taylor Reputation (LWYMMD, Getaway Car, Dress, This Is Why ... Nice Things, Call it What You Want, New Years Day) - Sabrina Carpenter (Please, Please, Please) And he has produced the last 3 Lana Del Ray albums, last 2 Lorde albums, the last Florence & The Machine album (hence why Lana and Florence were likely included in the last projects), as well as worked with other artists in recent years like Pink, Troye Sivan, Sia, Kendrick Lamar, Olivia Rodrigo, Carly Rae Jespen, etc. I am just saying this -- if she wants to use the same team, bring in Jack as the lead producer, use Aaron for support on the slower songs, and then use some other very popular producers for some key songs like: - Dan Nigro (Chapelle Roan and Olivia Rodrigo albums) - Ian Kirkpatrick (lots of Dua Lipa, Olivia Rodrigo, Britney Spears) - Stuart Price (Dua Lipa, Killers, Kylie Minogue) - SG Lewis (rising star power here) - I would love to see some rising female DJ's and producers here as well
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Post by Choco on Aug 22, 2024 17:54:10 GMT -5
I think putting the blame on Jack entirely is misguided. He has produced a variety of songs in multiple genres, and some of the best tracks of Taylor's discography. Also, a lot of people had to approve and hear the 31 songs we got this year before release and they agreed it was a good project (or just salivated at the money a new album that long by Taylor at her most undefeatable would make). I don't need her to straight up ditch Jack, they just need to move on a new direction with fresher sounds. Tbh if she ditches Jack she might as well ditch Dessner too because we already have four albums where he has a significant presence, and while his stuff on TTPD was better than Jack's, I wouldn't rank it above any of the previous bodies of work he did for folkmore and Midnights. (Also I just realized Dessner didn't get the Grammy for Midnights for some reason... was the standard version the one they submitted? damn)
I'm not even mad at the idea of another fantasy album a la folklore where a lot of it isn't actually about Taylor's life, because a lot of TTPD felt like the Marvel Cinematic Universe where there's no longer an easy entry point for newcomers - a lot of lore is needed to fully appreciate the meaning of the songs.
I hope we do get the two TVs before any new music. I'm ready for that era to be done.
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Post by bat1990 on Aug 27, 2024 7:55:02 GMT -5
I'm starting to think people are correct who said
2021: Two TVs 2022: new album 10 2023: Two TVs 2024: new album 11 2025: Two TVs 2026: new album 12
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 27, 2024 9:54:47 GMT -5
I'm starting to think people are correct who said 2021: Two TVs 2022: new album 10 2023: Two TVs 2024: new album 11 2025: Two TVs 2026: new album 12 Yeah, if there isn’t an announcement in the next week or two, to capitalize on holiday sales period, I imagine we are waiting until Spring
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Post by thezatch on Sept 6, 2024 6:22:07 GMT -5
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 6, 2024 6:59:45 GMT -5
She can continue to work with Aaron and Jack without sounding all the same. Such as Hits Different
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 6, 2024 7:07:04 GMT -5
Aaron Dessner’s work with Taylor is still something I enjoy, that cannot be said for Antonoff and his stale bread production on TTPD. As much as I have enjoyed what Taylor has brought to me musically and lyrically from 2020 (folklore) onwards, I think I am ready for another pivot from her.
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Post by austin on Sept 6, 2024 11:36:23 GMT -5
She can continue to work with Aaron and Jack without sounding all the same. Such as Hits Different Honestly so much of what Aaron has done with her sounds fresh and different from each other. She can work with Aaron until the end of time. The Jack criticism...I do think is valid. It's all been the same sound the last two albums.
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 6, 2024 13:05:39 GMT -5
She can continue to work with Aaron and Jack without sounding all the same. Such as Hits Different Honestly so much of what Aaron has done with her sounds fresh and different from each other. She can work with Aaron until the end of time. The Jack criticism...I do think is valid. It's all been the same sound the last two albums. Agreed re: Aaron. She can work with him for the rest of her life for all I care. They make magic together
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Sept 6, 2024 14:43:09 GMT -5
The Jack thing is as much (if not more) Taylor than it is him. He isn't a one trick pony. Listen to Melodrama, Norman Fucking Rockwell. He did Please Please Please. She's clearly asking for something and he's delivering, it's the partnership that's stale.
Edit: OK I saw people have already said this with more details than me so... +1!
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Post by schnetzka on Sept 6, 2024 14:58:42 GMT -5
I will say with Aaron, for the most part, he produces Taylor's songs that are more ballad-oriented. So, if she were to deviant to different producers, I would want her to find one that will produce more up tempo songs.
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Post by eyeofthestorm on Sept 6, 2024 15:50:02 GMT -5
Yeah the contemporary christian hallmark movie about a coffee shop production needs to go.
Taylor needs to bring back EDM
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 6, 2024 21:31:18 GMT -5
Hmmm, I love Aaron and Jack, but I personally want a complete switch up next era. Let's clear the forest, take off the dusty folk-pop, and hit the sands with Max Martin in tow. I want 1989 (not production-wise), but in terms of an album full of massively catchy hooks that's filled with upbeat, fun, well-written, and revitalizing pure pop songs! With her being so head-over-heels for Travis I feel like I'm not asking for too much!
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 7, 2024 6:13:22 GMT -5
Let’s let the artist make her art. I think art is best done that way - without an attempt at pandering to fan expectations. And I’m sure her next effort will be no exception to this as Taylor has a great track record for that. I also think people just set themselves up to be disappointed when they have all of these expectations. I try to go in with no expectation other than to hear what the artist wanted to deliver. It makes it a lot easier to enjoy the majority of things IMO.
Basically, if Taylor wants a reset, let’s go, no one does it like she does. But also, if Taylor wants another round with Jack and Aaron (far more likely than any of you seem to be admitting) then also let’s fucking go, because no one does it like they do! I don’t think she’s turned in a disappointing project yet and I highly doubt she’s about to start.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 7, 2024 9:34:44 GMT -5
Basically, if Taylor wants a reset, let’s go, no one does it like she does. But also, if Taylor wants another round with Jack and Aaron (far more likely than any of you seem to be admitting) then also let’s fucking go, because no one does it like they do! I don’t think she’s turned in a disappointing project yet and I highly doubt she’s about to start. Oh lord....another Jack and Aaron production? Because the past 3-7 albums respectively aren't enough? lol I've always been receptive of Taylor and her varying stylistic choices, but the result of yet another Jack (to a lesser degree Aaron) production isn't going to mean anything good for her career and Taylor's far too invested in commercial performance and numbers to be making such decisions. The main criticism of TTPD from critics and general fans alike were they want something different from her in the production department, as the music is becoming stale, monotonous, and formulaic. Given Taylor is an artist who absolutely heeds public and critical criticism, I have no qualms about personally desiring a switch up, because given her history, that's likely exactly what she's going to do. I loved TTPD, it's my favorite Taylor album, but I'd be lying after a slew of heavier, moody albums, if I wasn't ready for something much lighter and poppier. I think something fun and fresh from Taylor would honestly be well-received by everyone, where more Jack and Aaron would have people rolling their eyes and exclaiming "all her music sounds the same these days!". Now if she doesn't care about commercial performance or the way her album is recieved all of a sudden then by all means, bring on Jack and Aaron quatre. lol This all goes without saying an artist's art is their own and they're free to do whatever they wish, obviously, but we can absolutely still have our own personal desires and wishes for their output and creative directions.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Sept 7, 2024 10:24:16 GMT -5
Totally agree, I think it could go two ways though. Taylor is so heavily invested in commercial success that she could opt for 'if it ain't broke' vs trying something new. Think that would be a mistake in the mid-long term. The Eras halo effect will disappear soon enough. I do think she's too surrounded by her past/current work and collaborators right now to jump into something NEW new though and I get why she went to Jack/Aaron for TTPD. Diminishing returns imo, but I get it. She also needs to get past the re-recordings. I'm pretty over this stage of her career. I am however interested to see what she does once Eras and the re-recordings are done. She'll have nothing in front of her.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 7, 2024 12:01:00 GMT -5
TTPD is shaping up to be her most successful project ever. LOL @ diminishing returns. The facts don’t align with that. From a personal preference perspective, I’m team if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. But as I said earlier, I’ll go into whatever she decides to give us next optimistic.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 7, 2024 12:51:27 GMT -5
TTPD is shaping up to be her most successful project ever. LOL @ diminishing returns. Well technically it you stack the single performances and overall album sales of Midnights to TTPD it is in fact diminished returns. Maybe not by much (album sales wise), but it's still there. Speaking strictly singles, Midnights was faaaaaar more successful.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 7, 2024 13:12:11 GMT -5
TTPD is shaping up to be her most successful project ever. LOL @ diminishing returns. Well technically it you stack the single performances and overall album sales of Midnights to TTPD it is in fact diminished returns. Maybe not by much (album sales wise), but it's still there. Speaking strictly singles, Midnights was faaaaaar more successful. But why would we talk in terms of strictly singles? She’s an album artist. I think it’s nothing short of incredible what TTPD has accomplished. And call me crazy, but I’d take another 30 track emo slog in a heartbeat.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Sept 7, 2024 13:39:12 GMT -5
TTPD is shaping up to be her most successful project ever. LOL @ diminishing returns. The facts don’t align with that. From a personal preference perspective, I’m team if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. But as I said earlier, I’ll go into whatever she decides to give us next optimistic. You've made the assumption I meant sales, which as you say would be factually incorrect. In terms of quality and creativity, I stand by it.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 7, 2024 13:52:13 GMT -5
Well technically it you stack the single performances and overall album sales of Midnights to TTPD it is in fact diminished returns. Maybe not by much (album sales wise), but it's still there. Speaking strictly singles, Midnights was faaaaaar more successful. But why would we talk in terms of strictly singles? She’s an album artist. I think it’s nothing short of incredible what TTPD has accomplished. And call me crazy, but I’d take another 30 track emo slog in a heartbeat. I wasn't speaking strictly singles as I referenced album sales in with that as well, which I was merely making note of since you laugh-reacted the poster saying it had deminishing returns. Regardless, deminished returns simply means it hasn't sold as much as her previous. That's all. I never claimed TTPD's sales were bad or even not excellent, they're just less comparatively. Personally, I have acknowledged its near 6x platinum performance as extraordinary many times on this forum.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 7, 2024 13:58:52 GMT -5
But why would we talk in terms of strictly singles? She’s an album artist. I think it’s nothing short of incredible what TTPD has accomplished. And call me crazy, but I’d take another 30 track emo slog in a heartbeat. I wasn't speaking strictly singles as I referenced album sales in with that as well, which I was merely making note of since you laugh-reacted the poster saying it had deminishing returns. Regardless, deminished returns simply means it hasn't sold as much as her previous. That's all. I never claimed TTPD's sales were bad or even not excellent, they're just less comparatively. Personally, I have acknowledged its near 6x platinum performance as extraordinary many times on this forum. But you literally said “strictly singles” so that’s what I was basing my response off of. Also, are we pretending that TTPD isn’t going to outsell Midnights? Seems like a foregone conclusion. I actually personally prefer the Midnights album (it’s my #1) but I just don’t think it was fair to categorize TTPD as diminishing returns in any way.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 7, 2024 14:08:03 GMT -5
But you literally said “strictly singles” so that’s what I was basing my response off of. Really? lol Well yes, if that was the *only* thing I said in the post or all you paid attention to I could understand that, but it was an add-on to my initial statement about both sales and single performance. Because first of all, selling another million copies isn't going to happen overnight and is pretty far off and we're dealing in the moment, not future hypotheticals. Whether you think it's fair or not is inconsequential, because as of this moment it has factually delivered diminished returns compared to Midnights. Now maybe in terms of album sales when and if it passes or matches Midnights we can rediscuss. Bit of a moot point regardless as the original poster who initiated this whole debate was referring to the quality of the album, not its performance so... that's subjective in nature.
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