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Post by wavey. on May 19, 2021 11:30:24 GMT -5
It's a odd situation. But the FACT that Dua/Baby got a new peak and is still charting, we should be celebrating that. This isn't the end all for Dua. She'll still have chances at #1 with future releases.
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Post by iwin on May 19, 2021 11:30:53 GMT -5
Genuine question for the Army, what are these donations for? As far as I can tell, mostly just to brag about being so charitable. Probably as a way of feeling better after wasting money on 36 copies of a song including multiple instrumental versions or something. Nah why would we need to brag about billboard joke100 i don't get it? |
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Post by annoymous1 on May 19, 2021 11:31:54 GMT -5
We did it! Good job we're past 48 pages π₯³π₯³
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Post by iwin on May 19, 2021 11:32:15 GMT -5
Iβm just happy that they cracked down on it, now can yβall stop buy multiple copies of a song? Like fr yβall are like some slaves to capitalism or something. Yes we should not care bout billboard anymore. People overvalue it too much |
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Post by iwin on May 19, 2021 11:32:35 GMT -5
We did it! Good job we're past 48 pages π₯³π₯³ What's the next goal? |
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Post by meg on May 19, 2021 11:33:34 GMT -5
Why so many of you are spying on Army accounts? Nothing better to do? What they do with their money is their business, as lomg as they not doing something illegal. It's the same as all the woke people always being mad that those money could be donated to charity and never having this energy for other fandoms.
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Post by goldrush on May 19, 2021 11:34:08 GMT -5
Is billboard not embarrassed? Also kind of crazy that LTDO is #10 on streaming and Billboard somehow thinks that itβs still the most popular song of the week. Itβs funny how theyβre trying to play this whole delay off and chalk it up to an audit. So shady and inconsistent.
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Post by annoymous1 on May 19, 2021 11:34:35 GMT -5
We did it! Good job we're past 48 pages π₯³π₯³ What's the next goal? that's a good question. Idk maybe 60 it's definitely possible atp. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 11:34:53 GMT -5
Genuine question for the Army, what are these donations for? They are for US/PR Armys who want to purchase Butter but can't afford to. The funds are raised and then given to individual US/PR Armys directly so they can buy the song. Many countries have their own funding projects to donate to individual Armys in their country to help them buy the song. Funds have to be applied for and only Armys in that country are eligible to receive funds. Each person is required to provide proof of actual purchase or they will be blacklisted from receiving funds in the future. Each purchase donated funds are used for is tracked meticulously. It's run pretty much like a bank. Great care is taken to NOT violate any billboard rules, as well. This is why accusations of using a VPN or people outside the US purchasing is ridiculous. Everything is done completely by the book. |
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Post by iwin on May 19, 2021 11:35:55 GMT -5
Is billboard not embarrassed? Also kind of crazy that LTDO is #10 on streaming and Billboard somehow thinks that itβs still the most popular song of the week. Itβs funny how theyβre trying to play this whole delay off and chalk it up to an audit. So shady and inconsistent. Its about consumption not popularity and apparently billboard think ltdo is more consumed than levitating. It's absurd |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on May 19, 2021 11:37:33 GMT -5
On another topic, I'm not surprised at Billie's "Your Power" underperforming. Sure, the soft acoustic production could lend itself well to radioplay, but its lyrics tackle a pretty dark topic. Hasn't stopped other songs, though, so we have to wait and see.
Personally, I hope it does well, since I find it such a beautiful composition and Billie's performance is impeccable. Might be my favorite single of hers yet (not counting the EP songs).
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 19, 2021 11:38:32 GMT -5
Is billboard not embarrassed? Also kind of crazy that LTDO is #10 on streaming and Billboard somehow thinks that itβs still the most popular song of the week. Itβs funny how theyβre trying to play this whole delay off and chalk it up to an audit. So shady and inconsistent. You do realize that streaming is not the only metric. Being #1 on radio and #2 in sales more than makes LTDO a worthy #1. Not to mention, LTDO has been the biggest and most consistent song over the last 4 weeks. LTDO is now a multi-week #1, and deservedly so. |
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Post by atg on May 19, 2021 11:40:33 GMT -5
We did not wait 50 whole pages just for Dua Lipa to peak at #2 again. She got robbed 3 times throughout this era. Future Nostalgia peaking at #3, DSN hitting #2 and now Levitating hitting the same position. I was even excited for DaBaby getting his 2nd #1 but I guess this is billboard. I think we should all migrate to rolling stone. Even though it didnβt hit #1 yet over there, at least it doesnβt lead us on and the charts actually update on timeβ¦ www.rollingstone.com/charts/songs/ |
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Post by tanooki on May 19, 2021 11:43:41 GMT -5
Sales should 100% be removed from the Hot 100 at this point. iTunes numbers are comparable to Pirate Bay numbers at this point lol.
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Post by Gary on May 19, 2021 11:46:09 GMT -5
So I stepped away for a couple hours - 9 more pages in 2 hours
Gunning for the record it looks like
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 19, 2021 11:47:50 GMT -5
Genuine question for the Army, what are these donations for? They are for US/PR Armys who want to purchase Butter but can't afford to. The funds are raised and then given to individual US/PR Armys directly so they can buy the song. Many countries have their own funding projects to donate to individual Armys in their country to help them buy the song. Funds have to be applied for and only Armys in that country are eligible to receive funds. Each person is required to provide proof of actual purchase or they will be blacklisted from receiving funds in the future. Each purchase donated funds are used for is tracked meticulously. It's run pretty much like a bank. Great care is taken to NOT violate any billboard rules, as well. This is why accusations of using a VPN or people outside the US purchasing is ridiculous. Everything is done completely by the book. Okay, but do you actually believe? For people who βcanβt afford toβ? Not like they canβt go to YouTube to stream for free. Just seems a bit far fetched and a cloak for reality. π€·ββοΈ |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on May 19, 2021 11:50:27 GMT -5
Sales should 100% be removed from the Hot 100 at this point. iTunes numbers are comparable to Pirate Bay numbers at this point lol. I think even if sales were 100% removed, LTDO would still be #1 on the chart this week. |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 19, 2021 11:51:56 GMT -5
If buying a song and each of its remixes 4x a week every week using money raised through organized efforts by an international fanbase isnβt scamming the US chart (despite being an allowable loophole), Iβm not sure how using a VPN is any worse. I don't get why loopholes are suddenly becoming "the rule" and are now acceptable "guidelines". The Hot 100 shouldn't be a stan playground to see how many copies one can buy within the guidelines, it's supposed to represent the most popular music in the US. Astroturfing songs onto the chart doesn't represent popularity. A lot of other f*ckery has happened in the past with the Hot 100 and other Billboard charts but nobody back then said "This should be acceptable because it's within the rules". Manipulation can also involve loopholes. Nobody is supposed to know that four copies is the maximum amount of copies that one can purchase, but that info was leaked and now fans are manipulating the chart through that loophole. Literally what is so difficult about this to some of the people in this thread? I agree with the general point, but I don't agree loopholes are 'suddenly' the rule. Stans have always found loopholes and taken advantage. |
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Post by gikem on May 19, 2021 11:52:33 GMT -5
On another topic, I'm not surprised at Billie's "Your Power" underperforming. Sure, the soft acoustic production could lend itself well to radioplay, but its lyrics tackle a pretty dark topic. Hasn't stopped other songs, though, so we have to wait and see. Personally, I hope it does well, since I find it such a beautiful composition and Billie's performance is impeccable. Might be my favorite single of hers yet (not counting the EP songs). Frankly, going into this week, I thought Your Power would take a MUCH steeper fall, as in almost-out-of-the-top-40 steep like with My Future. I'm impressed it only fell to #29. Hope it stabilizes regardless of the album bombs to come. |
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Post by iwin on May 19, 2021 11:52:48 GMT -5
Sales should 100% be removed from the Hot 100 at this point. iTunes numbers are comparable to Pirate Bay numbers at this point lol. I think even if sales were 100% removed, LTDO would still be #1 on the chart this week. Definitely since ltdo had less sales than levitating so levitating will lose more |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 19, 2021 11:53:18 GMT -5
Sales should 100% be removed from the Hot 100 at this point. iTunes numbers are comparable to Pirate Bay numbers at this point lol. I think even if sales were 100% removed, LTDO would still be #1 on the chart this week. Wouldn't Peaches have the lead then? If they remove sales, they'd have to change the formula to favor streaming |
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Post by thabb on May 19, 2021 11:54:03 GMT -5
I don't get why loopholes are suddenly becoming "the rule" and are now acceptable "guidelines". The Hot 100 shouldn't be a stan playground to see how many copies one can buy within the guidelines, it's supposed to represent the most popular music in the US. Astroturfing songs onto the chart doesn't represent popularity. A lot of other f*ckery has happened in the past with the Hot 100 and other Billboard charts but nobody back then said "This should be acceptable because it's within the rules". Manipulation can also involve loopholes. Nobody is supposed to know that four copies is the maximum amount of copies that one can purchase, but that info was leaked and now fans are manipulating the chart through that loophole. Literally what is so difficult about this to some of the people in this thread? I agree with the general point, but I don't agree loopholes are 'suddenly' the rule. Stans have always found loopholes and taken advantage. When I say "suddenly becoming 'the rule'" I mean stans thinking that it is the rule of the chart to turn it into a stan playground. But I definitely agree with you nonetheless. |
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Post by Zach on May 19, 2021 11:54:08 GMT -5
The word "robbed" has to be the most most abused word in the Chart Discussion section (and on stan Twitter).
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Post by ontopofthis on May 19, 2021 11:58:55 GMT -5
The word "robbed" has to be the most most abused word in the Chart Discussion section (and on stan Twitter). Seriously, it is hilarious how you have Europeans Tweeting and posting about buying multiple versions of a song to game an AMERICAN chart and then being in an outrage when they ignore those purchases |
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Post by iwin on May 19, 2021 12:00:07 GMT -5
The word "robbed" has to be the most most abused word in the Chart Discussion section (and on stan Twitter). No it's the word payola |
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Post by Gary on May 19, 2021 12:00:34 GMT -5
Artist 100 - top 10 as of yesterday
TW LW 2W WOC TITLE PEAK
1 7 7 158 Dua Lipa 1
2 2 3 305 The Weeknd 1
3 5 4 325 Justin Bieber 1
4 6 6 219 Luke Combs 1
5 3 12 142 Billie Eilish 1
6 4 2 52 Moneybagg Yo 2
7 8 8 327 Ariana Grande 1
8 - - 27 Weezer 8
9 9 5 359 Drake 1
10 10 10 157 Lil Baby 1
Updated version
TW LW 2W WOC TITLE PEAK
1 7 7 158 Dua Lipa 1
2 8 8 327 Ariana Grande 1
3 2 3 305 The Weeknd 1
4 5 4 325 Justin Bieber 1
5 6 6 219 Luke Combs 1
6 3 12 142 Billie Eilish 1
7 4 2 52 Moneybagg Yo 2
8 - - 27 Weezer 8
9 9 5 359 Drake 1
10 10 10 157 Lil Baby 1
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Post by meg on May 19, 2021 12:01:40 GMT -5
They are for US/PR Armys who want to purchase Butter but can't afford to. The funds are raised and then given to individual US/PR Armys directly so they can buy the song. Many countries have their own funding projects to donate to individual Armys in their country to help them buy the song. Funds have to be applied for and only Armys in that country are eligible to receive funds. Each person is required to provide proof of actual purchase or they will be blacklisted from receiving funds in the future. Each purchase donated funds are used for is tracked meticulously. It's run pretty much like a bank. Great care is taken to NOT violate any billboard rules, as well. This is why accusations of using a VPN or people outside the US purchasing is ridiculous. Everything is done completely by the book. Okay, but do you actually believe? For people who βcanβt afford toβ? Not like they canβt go to YouTube to stream for free. Just seems a bit far fetched and a cloak for reality. π€·ββοΈ See this is what you all don't understand. The thing is, army wants to support BTS like that. They don't want to stream for free. Even when they release free mixtape, people are screaming that they want physical form. Did you foget how many albums the sell every time? Like 3-4M is a norm now. Before every comeback they are getting premium accounts. Like I right now have premium spotify, premium apple and premium youtube. |
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Post by kiddo1994 on May 19, 2021 12:02:12 GMT -5
Sales/Streams and Airplay became so vulnerable for Chart Manipulation because BB is combining Remixes into one cumulative sales for the parent song or whatever version doing better.. let alone considering 10remixes that can be bought up to 4times per credit card for each remix.. that's like 40copies to be counted for a song from one credit card or something..
also, i have issues with combining orig version and remix.
in addition, US Radio is also very corrupt.. but imagine deleting airplay and sales for H100, it's kinda boring with streams only, NO?
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Post by Groovy on May 19, 2021 12:07:51 GMT -5
The June 5th thread is gonna be one for the books.
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Post by iggyamo on May 19, 2021 12:09:04 GMT -5
Honest question, how would BB even begin to track this and eliminate those sales? Regardless of how PATHETIC it is, those are still legit sales in the US. If this does boil down to VPN sales, they absolutely should not count. And any "well other fans game the system!" excuse doesn't fly. Especially since they're two distinct scenarios. There was too much noise on social media about this for them to ignore it. So the audit is totally justified and I'm sure BB is going to be scrutinizing this much closer going forward. If fans buy through VPN wouldnβt the money still go into the US market? What is the difference between someone using VPN and someone flying to LA from Europe and buying Future Nostalgia at Walmart? It would go to the US market, but it can be detected as using a VPN, but if someone were to travel to the US and buy a copy at a Walmart, it would be undetectable, some things are impossible to go around. Although I doubt ARMY would mass buy plane tickets to the US to buy more copies of Butter in the US. |
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