Billboard Hot 100: 06/26/2021

[Au$tin]

Jun 13, 2021 21:15:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

I've always found the fact AC/UAC have current charts kinda odd and dumb.

80% of the playlists on those stations are recurrent songs/classics. What's the point of a chart that does not track most of the music actually played on the format?

Because despite that fact, labels still actively promote material to these formats, and the labels want to see how those active songs are doing compared to each other.

[oliviafan101]

Anyways, Billboard attempts to appeal to the worst of the worst. It attempts to appeal to the MAGA cult, garbage ARMYs like Popcentaur, and obsessive stans who spend their entire life savings just to see an artist who doesn’t give 2 s**ts about them succeed. Yet, they fuck over normal chart watchers and people who are interested in the Hot 100 but don’t manipulate it for “personal” gain.

[oliviafan101]

Also another question, did the TOTC discord server get taken down or deleted?

[Enigma.]

Jun 14, 2021 1:41:52 GMT -5 oliviafan101 said:

Anyways, Billboard attempts to appeal to the worst of the worst. It attempts to appeal to the MAGA cult.

I have missed this... I only visit the site once or twice a week though

[oliviafan101]

Jun 14, 2021 2:12:45 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Jun 14, 2021 1:41:52 GMT -5 oliviafan101 said:

Anyways, Billboard attempts to appeal to the worst of the worst. It attempts to appeal to the MAGA cult.

I have missed this... I only visit the site once or twice a week though

You see, Billboard tends to kinda overrate songs made by artists like Tom MacDonald and Morgan Wallen by overrating sales so much. Any loopholes that Billboard does not stop are pro-MAGA artists loopholes and pro-stan loopholes (like website sales and mass buying on iTunes).

[Enigma.]

Ok I see... But I mean the new Van Morrison album is the most paranoid alt-right album to exist for GP this year and even Pitchfork reviewed it (giving 5.4) so where the line goes, I don't know.

[lurker2]

Jun 14, 2021 2:42:54 GMT -5 oliviafan101 said:

Jun 14, 2021 2:12:45 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I have missed this... I only visit the site once or twice a week though

You see, Billboard tends to kinda overrate songs made by artists like Tom MacDonald and Morgan Wallen by overrating sales so much. Any loopholes that Billboard does not stop are pro-MAGA artists loopholes and pro-stan loopholes (like website sales and mass buying on iTunes).

Was Wallen particuarly sales heavy? Or has that just been since we found out he was racist, and that crowd came then? Cause I know 7 Summers and the Dangerous tracks at least started out well on streaming.

Anyway, just to defend Billboard on this one - a few Tom McDonald tracks slipping in is mostly harmless, and if nothing else gives us easy Worst List fodder. God, what a worthless artist.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

I wouldn't say it's Billboard's fault so much as it is the nature of the entertainment business as a whole that scumbags, racists, and especially grifters and """centrists""" are still able to find success and have a sustainable audience

[¤ Matthea ¤]

Jun 13, 2021 19:32:20 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

To be honest, the only reason why I follow the Billboard chart is because Blinding Lights is nearing a record. If/when BL falls off, I will probably lose interest in chart following, unless another meaningful record becomes within striking distance.

That being said, the Rolling Stone chart does not take radio into consideration, and that is a huge problem. Radio is the metric that has been around the longest, and in my opinion, is still the most reliable metric. They need to at least incorporate radio, even if it is a very small percentage, into their chart formula.

Most charts around the world don't take radio airplay into consideration. Billboard is the outlier here, not every other chart company.

[ZERO]

Jun 14, 2021 3:33:10 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Was Wallen particuarly sales heavy? Or has that just been since we found out he was racist, and that crowd came then? Cause I know 7 Summers and the Dangerous tracks at least started out well on streaming.

Country artists always have good sales support and Wallen was no exception, however he did see a noticeable sales boost after "the incident" - a boost so hard that it made his previous album "If I Know Me" reach a new peak at #10 on the BB200 after 124 weeks of charting (Feb. 20th, 2021 chart)

[ZERO]

Speaking of Country and HAC, seems like those songs crossing over to that format/Pop might be less and less of a rarity.

"GOOD TIME" and "Just the Way" both were sent a few months ago, and despite the former doing practically nothing, the latter is still receiving active promotion.

And now, seemingly flying under the radar, "The Good Ones" was sent to the format too. It was projected to go recurrent this week, but it might just be exempted now.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

pov is top 3 on pop radio: above MONTERO, Kiss Me More, AITO, Best Friend, deja vu, good 4 u, telepatia, and Butter. It's #485 on Apple Music btw.

Radio is reliable my ass

[Enigma.]

Ariana has recently become the most radio reliant pop star in the biz (Maroon 5 and perhaps Bieber and Bruno aside). That's what happens when one's been almost 10 years in the spotlight - streams are gonna be down no matter what you do.

Time to SHAKE THINGS UP mrs. Grande, learn from Gaga, don't go to the safe airplay route even though Scooter wants you to


Spotify update:

Olivia has 5 out of top ten still, SLAY

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Jun 14, 2021 7:18:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ariana has recently become the most radio reliant pop star in the biz (Maroon 5 and perhaps Bieber and Bruno aside). That's what happens when one's been almost 10 years in the spotlight - streams are gonna be down no matter what you do.

The problem here is that "pov" currently has egregious playlisting on streaming services. "34+35" is her only song on Today's Top Hits (at the very bottom of the playlist), radio demographics probably aren't overlapping with streaming ones, and the fact the song doesn't have a music video yet is also detrimental for a late single.

Now, of course, radio is also at fault here for pushing the song so hard despite the discrepancy between metrics, especially over actual streaming giants. However, I just wanted to highlight the messy situation behind "pov" 's streaming performance, and how it shouldn't be used as argument that Ariana is a radio reliant pop star.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 14, 2021 7:18:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ariana has recently become the most radio reliant pop star in the biz (Maroon 5 and perhaps Bieber and Bruno aside). That's what happens when one's been almost 10 years in the spotlight - streams are gonna be down no matter what you do.

Except she usually gets good streaming. She broke streaming records with thank u, next and got an album bomb for that and positions. Both positions and 34+35 were Top 50 on Spotify when they peaked on airplay, and just recently, her remix of Save Your Tears have eclipsed the original. And she's only 27, so it's not a matter of age

[Gary]

Age and "time in the spotlight" -- not necessarily the same thing

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 14, 2021 8:08:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Age and "time in the spotlight" -- not necessarily the same thing

Justin Bieber has been in the spotlight longer than Ariana by a few years and Peaches is still Top 20 on Spotify.

[algo]

Jun 14, 2021 8:13:49 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jun 14, 2021 8:08:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Age and "time in the spotlight" -- not necessarily the same thing

Justin Bieber has been in the spotlight longer than Ariana by a few years and Peaches is still Top 20 on Spotify.

worth noting that male artists' careers are without a doubt allowed to last longer, no matter how old they get. the music industry is always looking for the new young women in music and leave those as young as their 30s in the dust, yet men will be mass promoted until they die of old age 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 14, 2021 8:27:56 GMT -5 algo said:

Jun 14, 2021 8:13:49 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Justin Bieber has been in the spotlight longer than Ariana by a few years and Peaches is still Top 20 on Spotify.

worth noting that male artists' careers are without a doubt allowed to last longer, no matter how old they get. the music industry is always looking for the new young women in music and leave those as young as their 30s in the dust, yet men will be mass promoted until they die of old age 

I get that men don't suffer ageism as much as women do but again: she is 27 and the thing that started this debate was that pov is getting pathetic number of streams despite being a radio powerhouse and despite Ariana's hits also getting good streams. So her age is not an excuse nor is her longevity, it's simply radio choosing the song from a familiar artist over songs who are doing better but aren't as safe.

This isn't surprising I know, but I still get to complain and callout this bs.

[Gary]

Jun 14, 2021 8:13:49 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jun 14, 2021 8:08:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

Age and "time in the spotlight" -- not necessarily the same thing

Justin Bieber has been in the spotlight longer than Ariana by a few years and Peaches is still Top 20 on Spotify.

The end of the road is obviously different for every artist but what I meant was that a 27 year old with 10 years in the spotlight may only be 27 but still has had 10 years in the public eye as a major hitmaker.

The 10 years thing can be a factor too

[Enigma.]

Don't get me wrong, Ariana isn't doing badly in streams, but considering who runs her team she might be in danger of starting to do airplay-driven hits while having the bombastic popstar in her.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 14, 2021 8:38:43 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jun 14, 2021 8:13:49 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Justin Bieber has been in the spotlight longer than Ariana by a few years and Peaches is still Top 20 on Spotify.

The end of the road is obviously different for every artist but what I meant was that a 27 year old with 10 years in the spotlight may only be 27 but still has had 10 years in the public eye as a major hitmaker.

The 10 years thing can be a factor too

She hasn't even been in the spotlight for 10 years though. She debuted in 2013

[Groovy]

Jun 14, 2021 8:48:27 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Jun 14, 2021 8:38:43 GMT -5 Gary said:

The end of the road is obviously different for every artist but what I meant was that a 27 year old with 10 years in the spotlight may only be 27 but still has had 10 years in the public eye as a major hitmaker.

The 10 years thing can be a factor too

She hasn't even been in the spotlight for 10 years though. She debuted in 2013

He’s talking about Biebs.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

I don't get how Ariana's age or ageism in the industry is relevant in this discussion, especially when radio is usually the main culprit (look at Taylor's performance post-"Lover"), and that's the only metric "pov" is excelling right now.

As dremolus said, it's foolish to think Ariana's streaming power is decreasing. She's been nearly ten years in the spotlight, true, but she only reached A-list status in late 2018, with many younger fans barely acknowledging her pre-"Dangerous Woman" work. Trust me, she's still very much beloved among younger demographics.

Now, why is "pov" doing so poorly? As I previously explained, poor playlisting is probably the main factor, alongside poor timing from Ariana's team (pushed as single once viral momentum was gone, no music video, no live performances, etc...). That's it, really. Just shows her A-list power that radio has no issue pushing her latest release to the top 10 despite no streaming presence.

[rainygirl]

Jun 14, 2021 1:41:52 GMT -5 oliviafan101 said:

Anyways, Billboard attempts to appeal to the worst of the worst. It attempts to appeal to the MAGA cult, garbage ARMYs like Popcentaur, and obsessive stans who spend their entire life savings just to see an artist who doesn’t give 2 s**ts about them succeed. Yet, they f**k over normal chart watchers and people who are interested in the Hot 100 but don’t manipulate it for “personal” gain.

wow I wasn’t ready for this !!! LOVE your comment 🙌👍

[rainygirl]

Jun 14, 2021 6:18:38 GMT -5 ZERO said:

Jun 14, 2021 3:33:10 GMT -5 lurker2 said:

Was Wallen particuarly sales heavy? Or has that just been since we found out he was racist, and that crowd came then? Cause I know 7 Summers and the Dangerous tracks at least started out well on streaming.

Country artists always have good sales support and Wallen was no exception, however he did see a noticeable sales boost after "the incident" - a boost so hard that it made his previous album "If I Know Me" reach a new peak at #10 on the BB200 after 124 weeks of charting (Feb. 20th, 2021 chart)

kinda like how Chik Fil-A got a boost .

[rainygirl]

Jun 14, 2021 8:55:09 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

I don't get how Ariana's age or ageism in the industry is relevant in this discussion, especially when radio is usually the main culprit (look at Taylor's performance post-"Lover"), and that's the only metric "pov" is excelling right now.

As dremolus said, it's foolish to think Ariana's streaming power is decreasing. She's been nearly ten years in the spotlight, true, but she only reached A-list status in late 2018, with many younger fans barely acknowledging her pre-"Dangerous Woman" work. Trust me, she's still very much beloved among younger demographics.

Now, why is "pov" doing so poorly? As I previously explained, poor playlisting is probably the main factor, alongside poor timing from Ariana's team (pushed as single once viral momentum was gone, no music video, no live performances, etc...). That's it, really. Just shows her A-list power that radio has no issue pushing her latest release to the top 10 despite no streaming presence.

I don’t love or hate Ariana but I will say that I’m having Ariana fatigue… same as DaBaby fatigue and all these artists that need to take a year off 😂. There is such a thing as over exposure

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Another one that needed to take a break about a year ago is Justin Bieber.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Jun 14, 2021 9:21:31 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Another one that needed to take a break about a year ago is Justin Bieber.

To be fair, it was ultimately a clever move for Bieber to release another album so soon, which helped to redeem his image thanks to tunes like "Peaches" and "Hold On". It was pure damage control, sure, but taking a break after the tepid reception of "Changes" and "Stuck With U" wouldn't have been good for his career.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Jun 14, 2021 7:18:34 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Ariana has recently become the most radio reliant pop star in the biz (Maroon 5 and perhaps Bieber and Bruno aside). That's what happens when one's been almost 10 years in the spotlight - streams are gonna be down no matter what you do.

Time to SHAKE THINGS UP mrs. Grande, learn from Gaga, don't go to the safe airplay route even though Scooter wants you to

Streaming Songs Chart

positions

1 - 1 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 10 - 23 - 38 - 50 - 18 - 10 - 22 - 21 - 28 - 32 - 30 - 33 - 33 - 41 - 48
without Xmas    4  -  8 - 17 - 10 -  9

34+35

2 - 12 - 9 - 12 - 15 - 22 - 37 - 48 - 15 - 8 - 15 - 2 - 3 - 8 - 11 - 5 - 6 - 11 - 23 - 27 - 35 - 42 - 43
without Xmas   6  - 7  - 16 -  9 -  7

both songs have more than 300 million streams in the US.

this is typical Ariana's run on streaming chart, the only difference is that the radio decided to play her more, and not to let her go after 5 weeks in the top 10. 
pov is a different story tho.

also, she was the most streamed female artist of the last decade in the US (14 billion) and I know we are talking about the US only, but she's also the most streamed female of all time with 90+ billion streams.