Billboard Hot 100: 06/26/2021

[phieaglesfan712]

Jun 11, 2021 9:43:10 GMT -5 Groovy said:

^New number 1 for July 10th confirmed.

Keep in mind, Ed hasn’t had a #1 hit since Perfect (and that was nearly 4 years ago), let alone a #1 debut since SoY (4.5 years ago). Let’s pump the breaks on declaring a new #1.

[Groovy]

Jun 11, 2021 9:51:11 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jun 11, 2021 9:43:10 GMT -5 Groovy said:

^New number 1 for July 10th confirmed.

Keep in mind, Ed hasn’t had a #1 hit since Perfect (and that was nearly 4 years ago), let alone a #1 debut since SoY (4.5 years ago). Let’s pump the breaks on declaring a new #1.

Let’s not forget that I Don’t Care was a huge number 2 debut behind a huge number 1 so I don’t think it’s a stretch to think it can happen.

[Juan Carlos]

Jun 11, 2021 9:43:10 GMT -5 Groovy said:

New number 1 for July 10th confirmed.

I'm not saying that there's a possibility of this to happen, but could you tell me why this should be discussed in advance here [Hot 100: 06/26 thread] when it's not relevant to this tracking period and the song isn't even out yet?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

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[algo]

Jun 11, 2021 10:02:57 GMT -5 Juan Carlos said:

Jun 11, 2021 9:43:10 GMT -5 Groovy said:

New number 1 for July 10th confirmed.

I'm not saying that there's a possibility of this to happen, but could you tell me why this should be discussed in advance here [Hot 100: 06/26 thread] when it's not relevant to this tracking period and the song isn't even out yet?

if we're being real, the song's announcement has nothing to do with this week's chart either. nykanyon was simply commenting on the announcement saying it'll probably debut #1, i don't think it's that deep

[Groovy]

Jun 11, 2021 10:02:57 GMT -5 Juan Carlos said:

Jun 11, 2021 9:43:10 GMT -5 Groovy said:

New number 1 for July 10th confirmed.

I'm not saying that there's a possibility of this to happen, but could you tell me why this should be discussed in advance here [Hot 100: 06/26 thread] when it's not relevant to this tracking period and the song isn't even out yet?

Who cares? We do it all the time, it’s not a big deal.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

so by that logic, Adele won't debut at #1, since her last #1 was in 2015/16

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

There's nothing wrong sharing upcoming releases here, especially from artists who are likely to impact the charts. It was announced during this week, and outside of the artist threads, we would have nowhere else to share them.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jun 11, 2021 10:12:40 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

so by that logic, Adele won't debut at #1, since her last #1 was in 2015/16

Well, a lot has changed since her last #1 or even her last release. Adele isn't 28 anymore. While a #1 debut is possible, it's not a forgone conclusion, especially being in her 30s and 5 years removed from her most recent #1/release.

[imbondz]

I’m 97.4% positive whatever Adele releases first will debut at #1.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^If anything, she'll have the "pent up" demand factor in her favor.

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 11, 2021 10:18:57 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

There's nothing wrong sharing upcoming releases here, especially from artists who are likely to impact the charts. It was announced during this week, and outside of the artist threads, we would have nowhere else to share them.

This. Plus I've seen this done in the years since before I even signed up for this forum. We post single/album announcements, especially from artists who can impact the charts, in these threads ALL THE TIME.

If today, Adele/Rihanna/Beyoncè announced an album dropping in July, would anyone seriously think it wouldn't get discussed in the latest Hot 100 thread? Like...

About a month ago, we were having full blown discussions about a BTS single that hadn't even dropped yet. I don't get the sudden need to police that. It would be extremely limiting if the only things we could talk about in these Hot 100 threads were songs/albums relating to that specific chart week.

[phieaglesfan712]

We don’t even know if Adele releases this year. What if Adele’s next release is at 43 after a 15-year hiatus? Is it a forgone conclusion she will get a #1?

[whales10268]

Beyoncé in the same sentence as Adele and Rihanna as if she hasn’t foregone commercial success a decade ago.

[Mayman]

Jun 11, 2021 10:34:40 GMT -5 whales10268 said:

Beyoncé in the same sentence as Adele and Rihanna as if she hasn’t foregone commercial success a decade ago.

Oh really? Didn't she just have a #1 single last year? If that's not commercial success, then what is?

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 11, 2021 10:40:15 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Jun 11, 2021 10:34:40 GMT -5 whales10268 said:

Beyoncé in the same sentence as Adele and Rihanna as if she hasn’t foregone commercial success a decade ago.

Oh really? Didn't she just have a #1 single last year? If that's not commercial success, then what is?

When last did she score a solo/lead artist hit? That's probably what that person is referring to.

[phieaglesfan712]

To be fair, though, Beyoncé kind of rode Megan’s coattails to that #1.

[iHype.]

Jun 11, 2021 10:12:40 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

so by that logic, Adele won't debut at #1, since her last #1 was in 2015/16

I mean, honestly... she has been gone *so* long I wouldn't say a #1 debut is guaranteed for her either.

I take it the person was saying when it's been years since someone's dominance you can never just assume they will have the continued dominance they previously had, which is true. Adele has only had 2 smash eras herself, it's not like she has even smashed 15 different times and has some impeccable track record of always being huge.

[Mayman]

Jun 11, 2021 10:41:28 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jun 11, 2021 10:40:15 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Oh really? Didn't she just have a #1 single last year? If that's not commercial success, then what is?

When last did she score a solo/lead artist hit? That's probably what that person is referring to.

"Formation" and "Sorry" were hits and were big moments for her. Not everything has to be a #1 to be considered a hit. Her last album was the best selling album of the year it was released. I doubt "Savage" would have gone #1 without her. She's definitely commercial successful, as all of this has happened within the last five years, not over a decade ago.

[Groovy]

More like the other way around, it would’ve never got to 1 without Beyonce and she has had commercial success, I don’t think she should be written because she hasn’t had many singles do good commercially, Beyonce and Lemonade were both huge albums at the time of their releases.

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 11, 2021 10:42:20 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

To be fair, though, Beyoncé kind of rode Megan’s coattails to that #1.

Her last 3 hits have had her riding the coattails of an already popping song:

Mi Gente.
Perfect.
Savage.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

We're less than 24 hours into this week and this thread has already been derailed

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 11, 2021 10:45:41 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Jun 11, 2021 10:41:28 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

When last did she score a solo/lead artist hit? That's probably what that person is referring to.

"Formation" and "Sorry" were hits and were big moments for her. Not everything has to be a #1 to be considered a hit. Her last album was the best selling album of the year it was released. I doubt "Savage" would have gone #1 without her. She's definitely commercial successful, as all of this has happened within the last five years, not over a decade ago.

But again, that was 5 years ago. None of the lead artist singles she's released since then have done as well and yes, while she added to the songs she's hopped on, they were already hits before she got on them so all she did was grant that hit-status to her name as well. It's like Nicki on Say So or Ariana on Save Your Tears. Yes, their appearances on those songs took them to #1 but they were already hits before that.

It may seem unfair but until she drops another solo album that does well commercially, I don't see a problem with people assigning an asterisk to her commercial success with remixes of already established hits over the last 4 years.

[Mayman]

I don't think anyone should expect random Lion King or Black Is King singles to become massive singles. As you say all the time about Drake and his side projects, let's wait until her album is out before determining how successful she is right now. A lot of people were saying the same song about The Weeknd before his After Hours era started and look how that turned out.

I'm done with this conversation because this isn't even remotely related to this week's Hot 100.

[rainygirl]

Culture III way exceeded my expectations

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 11, 2021 10:56:58 GMT -5 Mayman said:

I don't think anyone should expect random Lion King or Black Is King singles to become massive singles. As you say all the time about Drake and his side projects, let's wait until her album is out before determining how successful she is right now. A lot of people were saying the same song about The Weeknd before his After Hours era started and look how that turned out.

I'm done with this conversation because this isn't even remotely related to this week's Hot 100.

This and my last paragraph are basically saying the same thing. I believe she'll do well with her next album era but until then, yes, I believe it's very okay to not see her as a commercial force when the only songs she's been on since 2016 that have done well are remixes to already-established hits that she's hopped on.

[phieaglesfan712]

The difference is that Abel was still scoring big hits, like IFIC and even a #1 with Starboy, in between The Hills and After Hours.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

The "BEYONCE" and "Lemonade" eras were undeniable cultural moments, and they only didn't produce as many hits as they should due to the focus on the album over singles (+ Tidal for "Lemonade"). Also, I agree with Mayman that it's silly to expect huge commercial success from side projects like movie soundtracks. Just think of Ariana Grande with "Don't Call Me Angel", coming right after the huge success of "thank u, next". I won't mince words, the whole project was a flop, and some thought her momentum was dwindling, until 2020 came around. Post Malone's current features are flopping into oblivion (some undeservedly so - RIP "Wolves"), but it would be foolish to predict an underperformance when he focuses on his upcoming project. 

Just to end this discussion, we'll only have an idea of Beyoncé's prospects of chart success once she starts the rollout for B7. In an ageist industry, it's hard to predict how she'll perform, and it will ultimately depend on how GP-friendly the material is and how well it resonates with them.

Edit: I agree "Perfect" 's success wasn't due to her at all, but "Mi Gente" (in the US) and especially "Savage" wouldn't have been as huge without her. 

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Jun 11, 2021 11:07:52 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

The difference is that Abel was still scoring big hits, like IFIC and even a #1 with Starboy, in between The Hills and After Hours.

I think what they were referring to was 2018-mid 2019, not the Starboy era

[Groovy]

I don’t know how this conversation went from Ed Sheeran to Adele to Beyonce to The Weeknd.