Billboard Hot 100: 06/26/2021

[algo]

neither dynamite nor butter debuted anywhere near the amount of points hello debuted with. i really doubt bts could compete with adele for a #1 debut

[phieaglesfan712]

Remember, Katy Perry was a hit machine from 2008-early 2014, scoring #1 hits from I Kissed a Girl to Dark Horse. In the 7 years since Dark Horse, Katy only has one successful hit (Chained to the Rhythm). Just because Adele (or for that matter, Rihanna) was a hit machine in the past, this does not guarantee any future #1's or even success. Katy was 29 when Dark Horse topped the chart (and 32 when she had her most recent successful hit CTTR), Rihanna was 28 when Work topped the chart (and 29 when Wild Thoughts just missed out on the top spot), and Adele was 27 when Hello topped the chart (and 28 when Send My Love scraped the Top 10). Adele and Rihanna are 33 now. I'm not saying they can't get any more #1 hits, but the window of opportunity will only continue to close the longer they stay inactive and the deeper they get into their 30s.

[whales10268]

Jun 12, 2021 12:01:43 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Per Merriam-Webster:

Definition of battery
1a: the act of beating someone or something with successive blows : the act of battering (see BATTER entry 1 sense 1)
b.law : an offensive touching or use of force on a person without the person's consent

Seems like a good reason to arrest someone no?

[s9983]

Jun 12, 2021 13:06:31 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Jun 12, 2021 12:53:23 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Nobody is 100% guaranteed to debut #1.

Except BTS

EDIT: What Limited Edition said

BTS could drop 5 remixes with their new song and all sorts of fraudulent methods to go with it but it still would not compare. Hello had almost 1k points in the first day with SALES ALONE. Dont get it twisted. Adele doesn't need mass buying fraudulence to go #1 with full confidence. 

[Gary]

Buying songs from a website. Not fraudulent. We all should just deal with it.



Adele may be past her prime. No guarantee she will return to the top with her mysterious next release. Too much time has passed.

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 12, 2021 14:24:31 GMT -5 s9983 said:

Jun 12, 2021 13:06:31 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Except BTS

EDIT: What Limited Edition said

BTS could drop 5 remixes with their new song and all sorts of fraudulent methods to go with it but it still would not compare. Hello had almost 1k points in the first day with SALES ALONE. Dont get it twisted. Adele doesn't need mass buying fraudulence to go #1 with full confidence. 

Didn't Hello pull like 1M in digital sales in it's first week? Well, digital sales have sunk into the depths of hell since then. Hello was released almost 6 years ago. She isn't doing half of what Hello did in digital sales in it's first week with her next single. Hell, she probably don't even do a quarter of that. Streams will be more and Pop radio will eat up her next single but that's about it.

I can see her next single debuting at #1 just off the hype alone but it's debut won't be nearly as massive as Hello's debut was, that's for sure.

[chartfreak]

Some of you need to get over this whole fraud thing.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

I'm surprised to see Kelsea Ballerini managing to get a song at #75 on Spotify. I don't think "hole in the bottle" even charted in the top 200. This is looking promising for her prospects of getting a crossover hit. 🤞

[s9983]

Jun 12, 2021 14:51:52 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jun 12, 2021 14:24:31 GMT -5 s9983 said:

BTS could drop 5 remixes with their new song and all sorts of fraudulent methods to go with it but it still would not compare. Hello had almost 1k points in the first day with SALES ALONE. Dont get it twisted. Adele doesn't need mass buying fraudulence to go #1 with full confidence. 

Didn't Hello pull like 1M in digital sales in it's first week? Well, digital sales have sunk into the depths of hell since then. Hello was released almost 6 years ago. She isn't doing half of what Hello did in digital sales in it's first week with her next single. Hell, she probably don't even do a quarter of that. Streams will be more and Pop radio will eat up her next single but that's about it.

I can see her next single debuting at #1 just off the hype alone but it's debut won't be nearly as massive as Hello's debut was, that's for sure.

Your right, but the point is that whatever main metric that was big at the time, she absolutely demolished standards. She will do the same with streaming. Not to mention there's no way she's not doing at least 100k pure off itunes. She's still very easily debuting with 1k points. No one is matching her or coming close, yea primarily from the hype but still

[s9983]

Jun 12, 2021 14:50:01 GMT -5 Gary said:

Buying songs from a website. Not fraudulent. We all should just deal with it.



Adele may be past her prime. No guarantee she will return to the top with her mysterious next release. Too much time has passed.

It's fraudulent when tens of thousands of international fans are sending money to fans in America to buy 50 versions of the same song. Because that's exactly the situation. That's not an accurate representation of music consumption and that's what the hot 100 stands for. The entire purpose of 4 sales of a song on a website makes absolutely no sense because why would a single person need 4 copies of a song? And then 4 copies of the other 5 remixes and instrumental? Not rocket science. 

[jaffery]

I see Adele very easily doing 8m streams in the US alone with her comeback single first day. Lack of pure sales will increase her streaming, and Spotify is bigger than ever right now. People underestimating are gonna be in for a shock. I think she can do at least 300k in pure sales as well first week

[meg]

Jun 12, 2021 16:16:51 GMT -5 s9983 said:

Jun 12, 2021 14:50:01 GMT -5 Gary said:

Buying songs from a website. Not fraudulent. We all should just deal with it.



Adele may be past her prime. No guarantee she will return to the top with her mysterious next release. Too much time has passed.

It's fraudulent when tens of thousands of international fans are sending money to fans in America to buy 50 versions of the same song. Because that's exactly the situation. That's not an accurate representation of music consumption and that's what the hot 100 stands for. The entire purpose of 4 sales of a song on a website makes absolutely no sense because why would a single person need 4 copies of a song? And then 4 copies of the other 5 remixes and instrumental? Not rocket science. 

My god you really need to chill and let this go. Thread not even about BTS, discussion about Adele and if she will end everyone or not but for some reason yet again it comes back to them and sales. You keep whining the same thing over amd over and billboard keep doesn't give a f*ck.

[Gary]

What is being described is not fraud. The people wasting money on fifty copies of the same song know exactly what they are doing. There is nothing criminal about it and is all perfectly legal

[lazer]

It may be legal but it’s hindering the integrity of the charts. Probably the charts in the early 20s is as bad as it was in the 90s.

[Groovy]

Can we please not bring this up again, we’ve been beating this dead horse for over a month now no need to talk about it again.

[fridayteenage]

the median #1 seller, vs. the biggest #1 seller, by year:
37k, dynamite 265k (x7.2)
42k, me 193k (x4.6)
54k, perfect 163k (x3.0)
107k, look 353k (x3.3)
138k, feeling 379k (x2.7)
233k, hello 1112k (x4.8)

so far for 2021
24k, butter 243k (x10.1)

Maximum intensity in a minimal-sales environment. Though it faded on itunes quickly.

[SPRΞΞ]

Jun 12, 2021 15:13:07 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Some of you need to get over this whole fraud thing.

especially when it comes from fans of Taylor Swift. And we all know how she likes to get her #1's.

[pancakes]

If it is fraud, who is being defrauded by it? The fans of the #2 artist?

[meg]

To all of you fraud obsessed 

[fridayteenage]

Jun 12, 2021 17:54:25 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Jun 12, 2021 15:13:07 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Some of you need to get over this whole fraud thing.

especially when it comes from fans of Taylor Swift. And we all know how she likes to get her #1's.

queen of having seven 4-week #1 albums, America loves to get Her there!

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

On the weekly US YouTube Music Video chart, Yonaguni debuted at #1, Snowflakes at #2, How It Feels at #4, Welcome to the Internet #6 and Love Again at #19. Among those not debuting Good 4 U is at #3, Lost Cause at #5 and combining the two videos for Butter, it would have been #7.

[atg]

Jun 12, 2021 7:42:50 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Culture III is easily the best of the three Cultures but too bad it probably won’t have the same success as the other two.

You could blame Culture II and the solo albums from each of the members for that. The bar was probably written so low even back then when the only song that made any year end list was Offset’s “Clout” and that featured Cardi B so yeah.

[rideordie]

Y’all can twist it any way you want but the tactics bts stans used to manipulate their songs to no.1 is fraudulent. It’s not an accurate representation of the hot 100 consumption

[Gary]

So we charge billboard with a crime because there are too many BTS fans out there buying up the music.

My advice. If you have an issue with it. Do your part and don’t buy the music yourself.

[jthentic]

Culture 3 overtook HOF as top album on AppleM

[kingvavis]

Jun 12, 2021 20:34:32 GMT -5 Gary said:

So we charge billboard with a crime because there are too many BTS fans out there buying up the music.

My advice. If you have an issue with it. Do your part and don’t buy the music yourself.

I agree it isn't fraudulent, but if we have a issue with Billboard, we should criticize it rather than be complacent

[violentdreams]

Jun 12, 2021 20:39:12 GMT -5 jthentic said:

Culture 3 overtook HOF as top album on AppleM

As it should tbh. Polo G makes the most boring music ever, HOF only solidifies that.

[lazer]

Jun 12, 2021 20:43:16 GMT -5 kingvavis said:

Jun 12, 2021 20:34:32 GMT -5 Gary said:

So we charge billboard with a crime because there are too many BTS fans out there buying up the music.

My advice. If you have an issue with it. Do your part and don’t buy the music yourself.

I agree it isn't fraudulent, but if we have a issue with Billboard, we should criticize it rather than be complacent

This.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean the current chart system is in good shape. We have every right to criticize the Billboard's complacency of allowing sales to overpower streaming. Especially when it comes to organized mass-buying.

[gikem]

I hate to say it for the thousandth time, but the problem here is still Billboard, not the fans. Fans are free to buy a song as much as they'd like without repercussions, because technically speaking, there's nothing fraudulent about buying music. The problem is that Billboard is running on a skewed formula that has never understood how to correctly interpret sales (a problem that goes back decades), and refuses to change said system because it's making them boatloads of money whenever certain massive acts release new music and their fanbases run up the sales margin to place high.

Hope this statement helps, because I'm not gonna repeat it again when the topic of chart manipulation comes up on a weekly Hot 100 thread.

[Gary]

Sales should count for what it is.

Buy a song. Costs a dollar. Stream for free. I would say a person spending the dollar is more vested in the song than someone who randomly streams it

Like it or not. Sales are still a measurement of popularity.