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Post by Groovy on Jun 17, 2021 12:39:22 GMT -5
Maroon 5 can keep on getting hits, but most people will never forgive them for blocking Gangnam Style and Lucid Dreams from #1. Old town road blocked more hits At least Old Town Road was good and most of the songs it blocked sucked. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 17, 2021 12:51:19 GMT -5
Maroon 5 can keep on getting hits, but most people will never forgive them for blocking Gangnam Style and Lucid Dreams from #1. Old town road blocked more hits #horsegang That's true. And why would M5 have to be forgiven of anything when it came to chart positions? It's not like Adam Levine and crew are so focused on chart position that they engage in blatant manipulation to force their songs to the top and silence more deserving songs and send their rabid soccer mom stans to engage in massbuying campaigns. |
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Post by lazer on Jun 17, 2021 12:59:42 GMT -5
Damn, I thought the new Lorde, Polo G, and Migos would at least give the charts more life. You think the new Polo G album will make people hyped up. What gives? Why are they not getting more streams as expected?
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 17, 2021 13:01:40 GMT -5
I’d be willing to bet that if the roles were reversed, and One More Night blocked Harlem Shake, and Gangnam Style cut into Thrift Shop’s run at #1, a lot of people would have been happy about that and said what a great job Billboard did in implementing streaming.
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 17, 2021 13:09:37 GMT -5
I can see Billboard getting more praise had they introduced streaming in a timely fashion, regardless of which specific songs did or did not benefit from it, the same way that Billboard is blamed for taking so long to respond to airplay only singles in the 1990s.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 17, 2021 13:11:55 GMT -5
I’d be willing to bet that if the roles were reversed, and One More Night blocked Harlem Shake, and Gangnam Style cut into Thrift Shop’s run at #1, a lot of people would have been happy about that and said what a great job Billboard did in implementing streaming. This is the most confusing semantics game ever |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 17, 2021 13:26:01 GMT -5
Do you remember this?
One More Night - hated
Gangnam Style - loved
When OMN blocked Gangnam Style, the GP was mad at Maroon 5 (for blocking it) and Billboard (for not implementing streaming earlier).
Harlem Shake - hated
Thrift Shop - loved
When Billboard finally implemented streaming, and Harlem Shake cut into Thrift Shop’s run, the GP was still mad. Some people even commented why couldn’t Billboard wait a few more weeks for the rule change.
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 17, 2021 13:31:50 GMT -5
There's always a song/artist that has to get screwed for Billboard to make changes. Catalog albums were allowed back on because Michael Jackson's 'Number Ones' got screwed. Whitney's posthumous singles were able to chart because, again, MJ got screwed. "Harlem Shake" hit number one because "Gangnam Style" got screwed. Bundles were removed because LOTS of people got screwed. If singles sales/mass buying are addressed in the immediate future it will be because "Good 4 U" was screwed out of multiple weeks at number one.
Airplay-only songs taking so long to be added in the 90s wasn't entirely Billboard's fault though. They said they wanted to implement the change sooner but it took forever to work out a formula agreement with the labels (who created the mess in the first place by withholding commercial singles).
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 17, 2021 13:33:10 GMT -5
Someone has to be a canary in the coal mine. It's when some song or album is being screwed that attention is drawn to rules being done wrong.
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Post by s9983 on Jun 17, 2021 13:47:46 GMT -5
Random question... If blackpink who seem to have the 2nd biggest fanbase out of kpop stars, released their new single next week with website sales, remixes AND instrumentals AND a radio deal AND top playlisting like BTS with a big video, do we think they'd be able to crack 300+ points? Seem to remember the selena gomez ice-cream collab hitting #13.
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Post by Choco on Jun 17, 2021 13:54:30 GMT -5
Random question... If blackpink who seem to have the 2nd biggest fanbase out of kpop stars, released their new single next week with website sales, remixes AND instrumentals AND a radio deal AND top playlisting like BTS with a big video, do we think they'd be able to crack 300+ points? Seem to remember the selena gomez ice-cream collab hitting #13. Nah. Ice Cream got a lot of push and failed to hit 10 even with a big name feature. I can't see them just jumping to #1 so soon. |
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Post by gikem on Jun 17, 2021 14:14:21 GMT -5
There's always a song/artist that has to get screwed for Billboard to make changes. Catalog albums were allowed back on because Michael Jackson's 'Number Ones' got screwed. Whitney's posthumous singles were able to chart because, again, MJ got screwed. "Harlem Shake" hit number one because "Gangnam Style" got screwed. Bundles were removed because LOTS of people got screwed. If singles sales/mass buying are addressed in the immediate future it will be because "Good 4 U" was screwed out of multiple weeks at number one. I feel like Army or some other legitimate fanbase would have to mass-buy a song to #1 while the song that gets blocked never makes it to #1 at all in order for that to happen. Yes, WAP and Good 4 U were screwed out of multiple more weeks at #1, but both songs also debuted at #1 less than a month before BTS, so it’s not like they never got there. |
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Post by s9983 on Jun 17, 2021 15:39:12 GMT -5
Random question... If blackpink who seem to have the 2nd biggest fanbase out of kpop stars, released their new single next week with website sales, remixes AND instrumentals AND a radio deal AND top playlisting like BTS with a big video, do we think they'd be able to crack 300+ points? Seem to remember the selena gomez ice-cream collab hitting #13. Nah. Ice Cream got a lot of push and failed to hit 10 even with a big name feature. I can't see them just jumping to #1 so soon. True but boy with luv by bts had halsey and ONLU hit #8... Ice cream also didn't have any website sales and we all know how international fans donate for big fanbases. |
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Post by iamsorare on Jun 17, 2021 16:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 17, 2021 16:24:18 GMT -5
As much as I don’t want it to happen, AITO will probably finish above SYT. AITO has a 3rd version on iTunes this week, while SYT continues to bleed on the metrics, especially radio.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jun 17, 2021 18:01:53 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven
Madonna - Into the Groove
No Doubt - Don't Speak
All say 'hi' to quibbles about #2 blocks, 'lost' extra weeks at #1, etc.
Obviously, the labels chose not to release a H100-approved single in all three cases, but didn't. For ITG, the 12" didn't count on H100, but did for the Black Singles chart.
I thought I heard 'U Can't Touch This' was only released as 12"-single, which were then permitted to chart after the ITG omission. But it only reached #8, which still seems low consider the album's success.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 17, 2021 18:18:15 GMT -5
Yes, UCTT was only released as a 12-inch single.
ITG did not chart because it was the B-side of the Angel 12-inch single.
Angel got the chart points. Angel/ITG got the RIAA certification.
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Post by Choco on Jun 17, 2021 19:02:23 GMT -5
Nah. Ice Cream got a lot of push and failed to hit 10 even with a big name feature. I can't see them just jumping to #1 so soon. True but boy with luv by bts had halsey and ONLU hit #8... Ice cream also didn't have any website sales and we all know how international fans donate for big fanbases. Yes but they hit #4 with "ON" afterwards (with Sia). They didn't just jump to #1 from #8, or the #11 peak of "IDOL", or that other song that I can't remember that went top 10. It took a few tries. I do think I read somewhere that "ON" not hitting #1 was the last straw for the label and they comissioned "Dynamite" on that writing camp mostly because they really wanted the safest bet possible for #1. I don't know if BLACKPINK even cares tbh, but if they do they still have a lot of work to do imo to even come close to #1. And there's a big gap after BLACKPINK until you get the third biggest K-Pop act in the US, so other than BTS I don't see it happening soon-ish for any of the other groups currently chugging along. |
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Post by renfield75 on Jun 17, 2021 19:13:04 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven Madonna - Into the Groove No Doubt - Don't Speak All say 'hi' to quibbles about #2 blocks, 'lost' extra weeks at #1, etc. Obviously, the labels chose not to release a H100-approved single in all three cases, but didn't. For ITG, the 12" didn't count on H100, but did for the Black Singles chart. I thought I heard 'U Can't Touch This' was only released as 12"-single, which were then permitted to chart after the ITG omission. But it only reached #8, which still seems low consider the album's success. Yes, U Can't Touch This was only released commercially as a 12" single and thus only reached #18 on the Hot 100 Sales chart. It went to #2 on the Airplay chart. And sales were slightly belated, an early example of the single suppression tactic that became commonplace later in the 90s. That's why UCTT entered the Hot 100 at a lofty #27, a rarity in those days (especially for an act's first chart single). |
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Post by divasummer on Jun 17, 2021 19:15:47 GMT -5
Diana Ross has a NEW SINGLE out!!! It's been like 15 years! Obviously won't do anything on Hot 100 but worth noting You are beyond correct. It is worth streaming or buying "The Boss" Is Back! Miss Diana Ross! |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 17, 2021 20:07:22 GMT -5
As a member of The Supremes and as a solo artist, Diana Ross had a total of 18 #1 hits. This is the 2nd most by a female musician, behind only Mariah Carey's 19 #1 hits. This fall will mark the 40th anniversary of her final (and longest running) #1 hit. Endless Love (a duet with Lionel Richie) spent 6 weeks at #1 in the fall of 1981 (can't wait to see this one in the Flashbacks).
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jun 17, 2021 20:17:09 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven Madonna - Into the Groove No Doubt - Don't Speak All say 'hi' to quibbles about #2 blocks, 'lost' extra weeks at #1, etc. Obviously, the labels chose not to release a H100-approved single in all three cases, but didn't. For ITG, the 12" didn't count on H100, but did for the Black Singles chart. I thought I heard 'U Can't Touch This' was only released as 12"-single, which were then permitted to chart after the ITG omission. But it only reached #8, which still seems low consider the album's success. Yes, U Can't Touch This was only released commercially as a 12" single and thus only reached #18 on the Hot 100 Sales chart. It went to #2 on the Airplay chart. And sales were slightly belated, an early example of the single suppression tactic that became commonplace later in the 90s. That's why UCTT entered the Hot 100 at a lofty #27, a rarity in those days (especially for an act's first chart single). What are some other 80s singles that were just released as 12-inch singles? Wasn't there a Salt 'n Pepa single? |
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Post by bbdenney94 on Jun 17, 2021 20:22:46 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven Madonna - Into the Groove No Doubt - Don't Speak. Does anyone have a strong opinion on whether or not to count Hot 100 Airplay hits as technical Hot 100 hits during the 90s? My hot take is that yes, absolutely they should count. |
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Post by gikem on Jun 17, 2021 20:38:29 GMT -5
Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven Madonna - Into the Groove No Doubt - Don't Speak. Does anyone have a strong opinion on whether or not to count Hot 100 Airplay hits as technical Hot 100 hits during the 90s? My hot take is that yes, absolutely they should count. While I don't think those airplay-only hits are absolutely everything like some people claim - hip-hop, R&B, and Europop were just as huge back then, they just did a better job promoting their singles to do well on the Hot 100 - I definitely agree with you here. If I were to make a year-end best and/or worst list for a certain year of the mid-late '90s, I'd include songs that didn't chart on the Hot 100 but did make the top 50 of Canada's RPM Year-End for that year. Generally, those songs pretty much align with what would have been huge airplay-only hits in the US at the time. Only thing is that would ultimately exclude most country songs altogether, which did chart with only airplay in Canada, but generally not super-well. Meanwhile, in the US, outside of songs like You're Still The One that crossed over to Pop and Hot AC in a big way, country songs rarely if ever charted at all in the '90s, which really sucks for what is said to be one of the genre's most successful periods that I really wish I knew more about. |
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Post by s9983 on Jun 17, 2021 20:41:29 GMT -5
True but boy with luv by bts had halsey and ONLU hit #8... Ice cream also didn't have any website sales and we all know how international fans donate for big fanbases. Yes but they hit #4 with "ON" afterwards (with Sia). They didn't just jump to #1 from #8, or the #11 peak of "IDOL", or that other song that I can't remember that went top 10. It took a few tries. I do think I read somewhere that "ON" not hitting #1 was the last straw for the label and they comissioned "Dynamite" on that writing camp mostly because they really wanted the safest bet possible for #1. I don't know if BLACKPINK even cares tbh, but if they do they still have a lot of work to do imo to even come close to #1. And there's a big gap after BLACKPINK until you get the third biggest K-Pop act in the US, so other than BTS I don't see it happening soon-ish for any of the other groups currently chugging along. Good points. Blackpinks fandom seems to be around half the size of BTS's, or a little less. Considering BTS was able to do 220k+ sales just from the website, im sure BP would be able to do 50-70k just from the website if they're given all the same resources. But yea, maybe top 5, #1 if it's weak charts. Their streaming numbers aren't far off from BTS |
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Post by jthentic on Jun 17, 2021 23:05:11 GMT -5
Intl hit Heat Waves finally gonna hit top 20. Deserved.
Also fk radio & karens for M5's ridiculous continued success
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 18, 2021 0:12:07 GMT -5
Intl hit Heat Waves finally gonna hit top 20. Deserved. Also fk radio & karens for M5's ridiculous continued success Soccer moms need music too. |
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Post by rimetm on Jun 18, 2021 0:22:41 GMT -5
So, looks like early predictions were off the mark on the #1 race. Butter appears to have sold upwards of 100k via D2C, while the predictions that have Good 4 U ahead had Butter under 90k including main outlets.
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Jun 18, 2021 0:32:54 GMT -5
^ smh
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jun 18, 2021 1:58:53 GMT -5
Intl hit Heat Waves finally gonna hit top 20. Deserved. Also fk radio & karens for M5's ridiculous continued success A generation ago, Elton John & Rod Stewart were getting major Pop hits FAR, FAR, FAR beyond their prime. EJ even held a consecutive number of years hitting the Top 40 record. Even when he FLOPPED (and he did), he still managed to slip in a hit. Rod Stewart also rarely missed a year during most of that same period. Of course, none of their 1970s female contemporaries even came close to that kind of longevity. Some things never change. |
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