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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 16:19:48 GMT -5
Anyways, in an attempt to get rid of the stench that’s plagued this page a little bit, I think Mickey/Brittney/Madeline will be a wonderful performance. Included black women in a show like this, regardless of how ~big of radio hits~ they lack, is necessary. Radio is sexist and racist, so if they aren’t going to amplify Mickey & her voice, then good on the CMA producers for opting to take matters into their own hands. And yes, including black women/not-just-white-people in every country music celebration is necessary, not “annoying.” Evolve. Country radio is racist? I hope nobody tells Darius Rucker, Jimmie Allen or Kane Brown this. Country radio is Sexist? Of course men dominate Country radio but it has never been 50/50. Country radio has definitely gotten better at playing more females and getting songs up the charts. Lainey Wilson, Gabby Barrett, Ingrid Andress, Carly Pearce, Kelsea Ballerini, Priscilla Block, Maren Morris, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, Maddie & Tae and more. We should have more females but radio is definitely better now than it was 5 years ago. Just because Country radio hasn’t played Mickey Guyton a bunch it doesn’t mean their racist or sexist.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 22, 2021 16:20:26 GMT -5
Anyways, in an attempt to get rid of the stench that’s plagued this page a little bit, I think Mickey/Brittney/Madeline will be a wonderful performance. Included black women in a show like this, regardless of how ~big of radio hits~ they lack, is necessary. Radio is sexist and racist, so if they aren’t going to amplify Mickey & her voice, then good on the CMA producers for opting to take matters into their own hands. And yes, including black women/not-just-white-people in every country music celebration is necessary, not “annoying.” Evolve. Sorry that my post is part of the stench as I did not intend for it to. I am super happy for Micky Guyton and that can not be understated as it is not annoying in any sense, I just keep on waiting for the shoe to drop and for one of these Mickey Guyton/*insert any black female performance in the future for an award show* to have a huge viral moment that really cements their spot in the genre and radio/general public can't just completely ignore 100% like Chris Stapleton in 2015 CMA's or Kacey Musgraves Grammy's 2019 performance. I do hope Mickey Guyton keeps performing but I do think there is some weight to her not performing next year since I don't know if she will be nominated next year since it feels like the interest isn't very high and female is gonna be super competitive next year and it is super easy to see Mickey Guyton being excluded. That and I know the CMA Awards tend to have only their nominated artists perform and A-listers which I think even you can agree Mickey Guyton is not an A-lister. which if Mickey Guyton isn't nominated next year I can see her not performing.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 22, 2021 16:30:39 GMT -5
Anyways, in an attempt to get rid of the stench that’s plagued this page a little bit, I think Mickey/Brittney/Madeline will be a wonderful performance. Included black women in a show like this, regardless of how ~big of radio hits~ they lack, is necessary. Radio is sexist and racist, so if they aren’t going to amplify Mickey & her voice, then good on the CMA producers for opting to take matters into their own hands. And yes, including black women/not-just-white-people in every country music celebration is necessary, not “annoying.” Evolve. Country radio is racist? I hope nobody tells Darius Rucker, Jimmie Allen or Kane Brown this. Country radio is Sexist? Of course men dominate Country radio but it has never been 50/50. Country radio has definitely gotten better at playing more females and getting songs up the charts. Lainey Wilson, Gabby Barrett, Ingrid Andress, Carly Pearce, Kelsea Ballerini, Priscilla Block, Maren Morris, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, Maddie & Tae and more. We should have more females but radio is definitely better now than it was 5 years ago. Just because Country radio hasn’t played Mickey Guyton a bunch it doesn’t mean their racist or sexist. Okay this take is not it For all 3 of the black men you listed there are right now on the radio chart there are 37 songs with one or multiple on the chart and of the 60 songs on the radio only 5 have minority men on them (Darius Rucker, Jimmie Allen, Kane Brown, Breland, and I think Nate Barnes is biracial I wanna say someone please correct me on this as I am not sure). So on the Top 60 chart almost 62% are by white men compared to only 8% of minority men and 0% of minority women. As for the women, right now on the radio chart there is 16 female songs 7 of which have male vocals in the song. So that is only like a little over 25% have a credited female vocalist. Is it better than what it was? Yes. But the fact of the matter is that country music still has a huge issue with both race and women since the majority of success still comes from white men, which good for them but it's annoying the success comes at the expense of other women and minorities. Country music still has a long way to go and the sooner country radio and industry can embrace more women and minorities the better imo.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 22, 2021 16:50:50 GMT -5
Minorities breaking through =/= no more racism.
More women breaking through =/= no more sexism.
The only reason there’s any breakthrough at all is because of societal pressures - not because programmers and execs are all the sudden open minded. No one is saying that people are overtly racist simply because there’s inequity, but the inequity itself derives from internal biases we all have one way or another. Those biases still run along the lines of race and gender, especially in country music. Overwhelmingly, biases in country still heavily favor white men, and this is simply because the genre is dominated and mostly run by white men. Until that changes, which won’t be for a long time - if ever, there will always be distinguishable inequities that tie back to race and gender. The best way to combat this is to give exposure to those who don’t fit the “mold”, so suck it up buttercup. These shows and the genre as a whole will become more colorful, and if that’s “annoying”, imagine being as talented as any of these artists, but having to work ten times harder to achieve any success in the genre they love - that’s probably pretty annoying, too.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 22, 2021 17:00:19 GMT -5
Anyways, in an attempt to get rid of the stench that’s plagued this page a little bit, I think Mickey/Brittney/Madeline will be a wonderful performance. Included black women in a show like this, regardless of how ~big of radio hits~ they lack, is necessary. Radio is sexist and racist, so if they aren’t going to amplify Mickey & her voice, then good on the CMA producers for opting to take matters into their own hands. And yes, including black women/not-just-white-people in every country music celebration is necessary, not “annoying.” Evolve. Country radio is racist? I hope nobody tells Darius Rucker, Jimmie Allen or Kane Brown this. Country radio is Sexist? Of course men dominate Country radio but it has never been 50/50. Country radio has definitely gotten better at playing more females and getting songs up the charts. Lainey Wilson, Gabby Barrett, Ingrid Andress, Carly Pearce, Kelsea Ballerini, Priscilla Block, Maren Morris, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, Maddie & Tae and more. We should have more females but radio is definitely better now than it was 5 years ago. Just because Country radio hasn’t played Mickey Guyton a bunch it doesn’t mean their racist or sexist. The “I’m not racist, I have 3 black friends” argument is so…not a good one lmao. Try again dude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 17:07:47 GMT -5
Country radio is racist? I hope nobody tells Darius Rucker, Jimmie Allen or Kane Brown this. Country radio is Sexist? Of course men dominate Country radio but it has never been 50/50. Country radio has definitely gotten better at playing more females and getting songs up the charts. Lainey Wilson, Gabby Barrett, Ingrid Andress, Carly Pearce, Kelsea Ballerini, Priscilla Block, Maren Morris, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, Maddie & Tae and more. We should have more females but radio is definitely better now than it was 5 years ago. Just because Country radio hasn’t played Mickey Guyton a bunch it doesn’t mean their racist or sexist. The “I’m not racist, I have 3 black friends” argument is so…not a good one lmao. Try again dude. So I’m racist for pointing out that 3 African Americans are successful country music artists. Name 1 time in the history of country music have their been 3 black artist that have had multiple big hits ? You can’t. Progress is being made.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 22, 2021 17:31:35 GMT -5
The “I’m not racist, I have 3 black friends” argument is so…not a good one lmao. Try again dude. So I’m racist for pointing out that 3 African Americans are successful country music artists. Name 1 time in the history of country music have their been 3 black artist that have had multiple big hits ? You can’t. Progress is being made. Please actually read. I didn’t say you were racist. I said country radio was. I said “look at these 3 black people on radio, shut the fuck up you’re wrong” is invalid and not a compelling case. Break that into percentages now. 3 black dudes versus…the literal rest of radio, which is white. Some of y’all really need to open your fucking eyes. It’s a problem. Mickey not having a hit doesn’t mean she doesn’t belong on the CMA stage, and country radio adding Jimmie and Kane into the mix after Darius being the lone “consistent” person of color on the airwaves doesn’t mean they’re absolved of their very extreme shittiness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 18:08:53 GMT -5
So I’m racist for pointing out that 3 African Americans are successful country music artists. Name 1 time in the history of country music have their been 3 black artist that have had multiple big hits ? You can’t. Progress is being made. Please actually read. I didn’t say you were racist. I said country radio was. I said “look at these 3 black people on radio, shut the f**k up you’re wrong” is invalid and not a compelling case. Break that into percentages now. 3 black dudes versus…the literal rest of radio, which is white. Some of y’all really need to open your f**king eyes. It’s a problem. Mickey not having a hit doesn’t mean she doesn’t belong on the CMA stage, and country radio adding Jimmie and Kane into the mix after Darius being the lone “consistent” person of color on the airwaves doesn’t mean they’re absolved of their very extreme s**ttiness. Your argument then should be with the record labels for not signing artist of color. Radio is only gonna play artist signed period. I pointed out that we have 3 artist who are black who have consistently had hit songs on the radio over the last few years. You choose to ignore that because it doesn’t fit the agenda that “Country music is racist”. Mickey does not belong on the CMA stage if she isn’t deserving. She’s nominated this year so I have no issues with her performing…..But I’m not ok with anyone performing simply because of the color of their skin. That’s racist.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 22, 2021 18:14:00 GMT -5
Your argument then should be with the record labels for not signing artist of color. Radio is only gonna play artist signed period. You’re not wrong. I pointed out that we have 3 artist who are black who have consistently had hit songs on the radio over the last few years. You choose to ignore that because it doesn’t fit the agenda that “Country music is racist”. You’re not right. Once again, read and listen. Playing 3 black men on radio doesn’t mean country radio isn’t racist. How you continue to not understand that, I’ll never know, but it’s to the point where it’s on you to dig deeper. I clearly can’t/won’t convince you otherwise.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Oct 22, 2021 18:14:25 GMT -5
Please actually read. I didn’t say you were racist. I said country radio was. I said “look at these 3 black people on radio, shut the f**k up you’re wrong” is invalid and not a compelling case. Break that into percentages now. 3 black dudes versus…the literal rest of radio, which is white. Some of y’all really need to open your f**king eyes. It’s a problem. Mickey not having a hit doesn’t mean she doesn’t belong on the CMA stage, and country radio adding Jimmie and Kane into the mix after Darius being the lone “consistent” person of color on the airwaves doesn’t mean they’re absolved of their very extreme s**ttiness. Your argument then should be with the record labels for not signing artist of color. Radio is only gonna play artist signed period. I pointed out that we have 3 artist who are black who have consistently had hit songs on the radio over the last few years. You choose to ignore that because it doesn’t fit the agenda that “Country music is racist”. Mickey does not belong on the CMA stage if she isn’t deserving. She’s nominated this year so I have no issues with her performing…..But I’m not ok with anyone performing simply because of the color of their skin. That’s racist.Huh?! How is it racist to give Black people opportunities for success that they’ll never get otherwise? There’s a reason only five Black people total are signed to major country music labels…because of the pervasive lack of diversity and unfortunately ever-present racism in the industry. And whether or not somebody is nominated for a CMA should not be a determining factor in their eligibility to perform at the CMAs. That take makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 19:34:20 GMT -5
Your argument then should be with the record labels for not signing artist of color. Radio is only gonna play artist signed period. I pointed out that we have 3 artist who are black who have consistently had hit songs on the radio over the last few years. You choose to ignore that because it doesn’t fit the agenda that “Country music is racist”. Mickey does not belong on the CMA stage if she isn’t deserving. She’s nominated this year so I have no issues with her performing…..But I’m not ok with anyone performing simply because of the color of their skin. That’s racist.Huh?! How is it racist to give Black people opportunities for success that they’ll never get otherwise? There’s a reason only four Black people total are signed to major country music labels…because of the pervasive lack of diversity and unfortunately ever-present racism in the industry. And whether or not somebody is nominated for a CMA should not be a determining factor in their eligibility to perform at the CMAs. That take makes absolutely no sense to me. If a white artist that has had hit songs, huge concerts & sold a bunch of records is told they can’t perform on the CMA’s because we have to let someone who wasn’t successful perform because we want to be diverse. How is that not racist? You’re dictating who should perform not on merit but on skin color.
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Post by recordyear on Oct 22, 2021 20:25:01 GMT -5
There’s a reason only four Black people total are signed to major country music labels… Tiera is signed to Valory, but she is recently married so I guess her music career is on hold for a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 0:10:25 GMT -5
Your argument then should be with the record labels for not signing artist of color. Radio is only gonna play artist signed period. You’re not wrong. I pointed out that we have 3 artist who are black who have consistently had hit songs on the radio over the last few years. You choose to ignore that because it doesn’t fit the agenda that “Country music is racist”. You’re not right. Once again, read and listen. Playing 3 black men on radio doesn’t mean country radio isn’t racist. How you continue to not understand that, I’ll never know, but it’s to the point where it’s on you to dig deeper. I clearly can’t/won’t convince you otherwise. Please help me understand where I’m wrong I’m being genuine I swear. You claim country radio is racist and I presented facts to say otherwise. Can you give me an example of country radio being racist?
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 23, 2021 0:55:20 GMT -5
I wish the people who are this worked up about country music not playing every single black artist had the same energy for rap and hip-hop not playing other kinds of artists.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 23, 2021 1:05:59 GMT -5
You’re not wrong. You’re not right. Once again, read and listen. Playing 3 black men on radio doesn’t mean country radio isn’t racist. How you continue to not understand that, I’ll never know, but it’s to the point where it’s on you to dig deeper. I clearly can’t/won’t convince you otherwise. Please help me understand where I’m wrong I’m being genuine I swear. You claim country radio is racist and I presented facts to say otherwise. Can you give me an example of country radio being racist? But you presented no "facts" to support your claim because 3 black artists having any success when 95% of the genre is white does not spell the end of racism, any more than it did when slavery ended, or when black people finally got the right to vote, or when black people didn't have to drink from separate water fountains, etc. I'm sorry, but the bulk of the posting base here is smart enough to know there's nothing genuine about this argument you're presenting here, unless you're willing to admit that you're just dense instead, because it's one or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 1:14:48 GMT -5
Please help me understand where I’m wrong I’m being genuine I swear. You claim country radio is racist and I presented facts to say otherwise. Can you give me an example of country radio being racist? But you presented no "facts" to support your claim because 3 black artists having any success when 95% of the genre is white does not spell the end of racism, any more than it did when slavery ended, or when black people finally got the right to vote, or when black people didn't have to drink from separate water fountains, etc. I'm sorry, but the bulk of the posting base here is smart enough to know there's nothing genuine about this argument you're presenting here, unless you're willing to admit that you're just dense instead, because it's one or the other. So you can’t provide any evidence that “Country radio is racist” either.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 23, 2021 1:37:07 GMT -5
But you presented no "facts" to support your claim because 3 black artists having any success when 95% of the genre is white does not spell the end of racism, any more than it did when slavery ended, or when black people finally got the right to vote, or when black people didn't have to drink from separate water fountains, etc. I'm sorry, but the bulk of the posting base here is smart enough to know there's nothing genuine about this argument you're presenting here, unless you're willing to admit that you're just dense instead, because it's one or the other. So you can’t provide any evidence that “Country radio is racist” either. Lol, yeah I actually can but the burden isn't on me to hold your hand to find those resources, especially when they are BLATANTLY obvious and readily available on this wonderful invention called the Internet. The fact that this was your response confirms that you are knowingly being obtuse and were lying about being genuine in a prior post. But since you're evidently not good at research, here ya go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 1:55:05 GMT -5
So you can’t provide any evidence that “Country radio is racist” either. Lol, yeah I actually can but the burden isn't on me to hold your hand to find those resources, especially when they are BLATANTLY obvious and readily available on this wonderful invention called the Internet. The fact that this was your response confirms that you are knowingly being obtuse and were lying about being genuine in a prior post. But since you're evidently not good at research, here ya go. You wrote all that but couldn’t just tell me what’s racist about country radio? Gotta love the ppl that scream racism and then can’t back it up. Country radio isn’t racist…Sexist yes…Racist no.
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 23, 2021 2:07:40 GMT -5
I was just looking at the last weeks top 40 countdown and 4 songs were by black people. 4 out of 40 is 10% and the population of US is about 12-13% African American. Looks pretty good to me. What am I missing? Not all that 12-13 percent enjoy country music probably closer to 4 percent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 3:25:06 GMT -5
None of these articles which btw are all opinionated ones addresses country radio. These all talk about the Nashville country scene / industry. You can’t make a claim like “Country radio is racist” but then ignore the fact that more Black Country artist are being played on the radio then at anytime in history. Do I want to see more women and minorities get a chance? Absolutely and we are progressing in that direction every year.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Oct 23, 2021 8:52:30 GMT -5
None of these articles which btw are all opinionated ones addresses country radio. These all talk about the Nashville country scene / industry. You can’t make a claim like “Country radio is racist” but then ignore the fact that more Black Country artist are being played on the radio then at anytime in history. Do I want to see more women and minorities get a chance? Absolutely and we are progressing in that direction every year. I highly suggest going listen to Rissi Palmer’s radio show, her interview with Leah Turner, Star De Azlan and Crystal Shawanda were in particular very enlightening as they were all signed to major labels and they talk about the racism they had to deal with when they were trying to get their careers started. Yes there are more minorities being played now compared to before, doesn’t mean the issues they have to deal with are gone. It’s not about being played it’s about how they’re treated behind the scenes. We’ll never know if Mickey never took off based on her music alone, but we definitely know whatever little bit she did get she had to deal with a ton of racist bullshit to get even that. Just go actually listen to the artists who have tried to break in and you’ll get a better grasp of what needs to change.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 23, 2021 9:03:11 GMT -5
I've never seen Stapleton live and never will, but I've seen performances from him on live TV in addition to his studio tracks and I cannot imagine him on the levels of Luke Combs, Carrie Underwood, or even Eric Church (who I also am not a fan of) in terms of being an 'Entertainer of the Year.' I have seen Carrie Underwood live 3 times and there is NO way that Stapleton could give her a run for her money in that regard. That said, I know the award goes beyond purely just touring so I know that Stapleton is at least in contention because of how big of a sales/streaming draw he is for the genre. Stapleton doesn't put on 'a show,' but he's incredible vocally and it's enough. I saw him live right as he was hitting big (1-2 months after the CMAs performance with Timberlake), and it was one of the best shows I've been to just because of his vocals (and Morgane). I am not saying he does or doesn't deserve EOTY, just saying for some of us great singing is enough to make a killer show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 9:05:14 GMT -5
None of these articles which btw are all opinionated ones addresses country radio. These all talk about the Nashville country scene / industry. You can’t make a claim like “Country radio is racist” but then ignore the fact that more Black Country artist are being played on the radio then at anytime in history. Do I want to see more women and minorities get a chance? Absolutely and we are progressing in that direction every year. I highly suggest going listen to Rissi Palmer’s radio show, her interview with Leah Turner, Star De Azlan and Crystal Shawanda were in particular very enlightening as they were all signed to major labels and they talk about the racism they had to deal with when they were trying to get their careers started. Yes there are more minorities being played now compared to before, doesn’t mean the issues they have to deal with are gone. It’s not about being played it’s about how they’re treated behind the scenes. We’ll never know if Mickey never took off based on her music alone, but we definitely know whatever little bit she did get she had to deal with a ton of racist bulls**t to get even that. Just go actually listen to the artists who have tried to break in and you’ll get a better grasp of what needs to change. Thank you. I never knew they were signed to labels. I will listen to her radio show.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 23, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -5
Mickey desperately needs a hit song if she wants to continue getting performance slots on the awards shows. After this year she can’t be nominated again for new artist and without getting some type of hit song I don’t see her beating out any of the other females for a nomination of FVOTY. Carrie, Miranda, Carly, Gabby, Maren, Ashley, Ingrid & Kelsea. The category is stacked right now unlike in years past. This. I definitely do love see Mickey Guyton perform and am happy for her but she needs a hit or some type of sticking momentum and she needs it fast, as her album released earlier barely debuted on the Country Albums chart, nothing besides "Remember Her Name" has much of a streaming prescence. I constantly feel like with these award show performances that UMG is hoping for Mickey Guyton to have her 'Chris Stapleton' moment back on the 2015 CMA Award show where the performance is show stopping on so many levels and gets almost all the buzz and it just never happens as anytime Mickey Guyton performs it never fully sticks. Also I don't see Mickey getting into female anytime soon as all the names you listed not to mention if they keep getting radio traction I can see artists like Lainey Wilson, Tenille Arts, and Priscilla Block entering the convo for FVOTY before Mickey Guyton. Unfortunately the racist country audience is likely intentionally resisting her as they resent people trying to make her happen, of course not even getting the irony at play.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 23, 2021 9:25:38 GMT -5
The “I’m not racist, I have 3 black friends” argument is so…not a good one lmao. Try again dude. So I’m racist for pointing out that 3 African Americans are successful country music artists. Name 1 time in the history of country music have their been 3 black artist that have had multiple big hits ? You can’t. Progress is being made. Some small measure of "progress" doesn't mean racism no longer exists. Would you also try to contend that racism in the U.S. stopped when slavery was outlawed because that was some level of progress? Huh?! How is it racist to give Black people opportunities for success that they’ll never get otherwise? There’s a reason only four Black people total are signed to major country music labels…because of the pervasive lack of diversity and unfortunately ever-present racism in the industry. And whether or not somebody is nominated for a CMA should not be a determining factor in their eligibility to perform at the CMAs. That take makes absolutely no sense to me. If a white artist that has had hit songs, huge concerts & sold a bunch of records is told they can’t perform on the CMA’s because we have to let someone who wasn’t successful perform because we want to be diverse. How is that not racist? You’re dictating who should perform not on merit but on skin color. Have you ever actually read the definition of "racism" and researched what it really means in a cultural sense? What you describe there is not 'racism.' I wish the people who are this worked up about country music not playing every single black artist had the same energy for rap and hip-hop not playing other kinds of artists. Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and Beastie Boys are all white and had rap hits, so since that's 3 I guess I just proved this issue doesn't exist.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Oct 23, 2021 9:41:29 GMT -5
None of these articles which btw are all opinionated ones addresses country radio. These all talk about the Nashville country scene / industry. You can’t make a claim like “Country radio is racist” but then ignore the fact that more Black Country artist are being played on the radio then at anytime in history. Do I want to see more women and minorities get a chance? Absolutely and we are progressing in that direction every year. This is like claiming America doesn't still have a problem with racism because we elected a black president. Just because some progress has been made, does not mean that the entire issue has gone away. There are still many systems in place that bar further progress for black artists. I will say that country radio is not solely to blame for the racism in the country music industry - you're right that labels need to sign more artists, but that should also include award shows giving platforms to promote more black artists (I know you're not the one who originally had an issue with that), as well as placements on Apple Music and Spotify playlists, opportunities to perform on late night and morning talk shows, invitations into the writers room to collaborate with them, etc., etc., etc. I don't think anyone here is only saying that country radio is racist, but just because country radio has 3 black artists who somewhat consistently get radio hits does not prove that country radio isn't racist. In fact, one could argue the idea that became popularized in the past couple years that it's not enough to be non-racist, one has to be actively anti-racist, which country radio as a whole certainly isn't. Country radio doesn't have to play songs only promoted by major players in Nashville. They don't have to only play songs that are testing/selling well. Would it be that hard to have a program dedicated to promoting diversity in country music? There are things radio could do to help the lack of diversity in country music that isn't being done. If you don't want to label that as "racism", fine, but what cannot be argued is that country radio is doing enough to promote diversity and inclusion. I was just looking at the last weeks top 40 countdown and 4 songs were by black people. 4 out of 40 is 10% and the population of US is about 12-13% African American. Looks pretty good to me. What am I missing? Not all that 12-13 percent enjoy country music probably closer to 4 percent. Another point to be made is that racism does not solely apply to the black community. 17% of the US is of Hispanic heritage, 7% are Asian Americans, and over 5% of the US is made up of Native Americans. Where is the representation of these identities on country radio? But also, equality is not what we as a society need to be aiming for - equity is. There are indisputable disadvantages that certain groups of people face in this world because a piece of their identity and one could argue that not giving those disadvantaged groups an equal chance to succeed when they have more barriers in their way could be discriminatory or at the very least, not valuing those disadvantaged groups. If anyone is unsure of the difference between equality (what's being argued above) and equity (what is more fair to disadvantaged identities), this popular image below is a great visual indicator. And since we want to talk about statistics, here's a great article from the Tennesseean about some actual research studies and data collection about racism in country music. Takeaways include: *BIPOC artist representation — including airplay, CMA and ACM Awards nominations, record deals and charting singles — makes up less than 4% of the commercial country music industry, according to the study. *BIPOC artists received a 2.3% share of country radio airplay in the last 19 years. Nearly 96% of that share went to BIPOC men, with women receiving less than 3%. *Only 19% of songs released by BIPOC artists received enough spins to peak in the top 50 of airplay charts. Zero songs by Black women reached the top 20 on country radio charts. *Country radio played 11,484 songs from 2002-2020. Roughly 1% of those songs — or a total of 133 — were by Black artists. *2.3% of ACM Awards and 1.6% of CMA Awards nominees between 2000 and 2019 were people of color. Country radio and the country music industry as a whole are not doing enough for black country artists, or other artists of color, or LGBTQ+ artists. Period.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 23, 2021 9:42:16 GMT -5
Lol, yeah I actually can but the burden isn't on me to hold your hand to find those resources, especially when they are BLATANTLY obvious and readily available on this wonderful invention called the Internet. The fact that this was your response confirms that you are knowingly being obtuse and were lying about being genuine in a prior post. But since you're evidently not good at research, here ya go. You wrote all that but couldn’t just tell me what’s racist about country radio? Gotta love the ppl that scream racism and then can’t back it up. Country radio isn’t racist…Sexist yes…Racist no. I provided a literal link showing you how to use Google because it's not my job to use Google for you, where you can find answers (like the ones posted by tim and Kanenrá:ke, and also zaclord 🌈 who posted while I was typing). Also, I just wanna point out that your flawed logic suggests racism in country radio is false because 3-4 black people have had success in the genre in the past 5 years. So, then, by using your own logic, how is country radio sexist? There are even more than 3-4 women who have had success in the same time frame, so if anything that would indicate country radio isn't sexist. Yet here you are admitting it openly as if it's just an accepted fact (it is, but the holes in your logic cannot be ignored). Straight white men who wanna complain that racism is over once black people get the tiniest slivers of progress are the literal worst.
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gardyfan
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Post by gardyfan on Oct 23, 2021 10:10:01 GMT -5
It's sad that some people just ignore facts and deny the truth even when presented with information that proves he industry still needs a lot of work.
Always fun when posters decided to ruin the browsing experience on this board.
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mnvikings
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Post by mnvikings on Oct 23, 2021 10:14:10 GMT -5
If using examples like vanilla ice and beastie boys, people who came out over 31 years ago tells me that country music is far more inclusive and accepting than hip-hop music nowadays.
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