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Post by recordyear on Sept 13, 2021 23:45:27 GMT -5
Considering how weak and low hype level mainstream country album releases this year are. star-crossed related materials being nominated isn't out of equation.
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Post by daddy on Sept 13, 2021 23:54:56 GMT -5
She's not really marketing it as a country album though. While I don't think this is a full-on transition to Pop, it is definitely more of a pop-leaning record compared to her previous work. She even said herself that this album "has a sprinkle of Country"... Aside from that, I do think she'll end up nominated for Female Vocalist and Album of the Year (maybe Video of the Year). This is what I meant. I think she’ll get nominations in these categories, but my vote won’t be going towards her or this album for the country award shows this time around. I’ve had it on repeat and love the album, but I’d like to see the winners of country awards promoting country albums.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Sept 14, 2021 8:21:10 GMT -5
^^ And that is what star-crossed is. It is not even one iota away from such artists like Dustin Lynch and Thomas Rhett, hell even Walker Hayes. So long as UMG markets her as a country artist with a country album (and they have, this is still an MCA Nashville record and the album is listed as country on all streaming platforms), she will be deserving of her nominations/wins.
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Post by daddy on Sept 14, 2021 8:47:22 GMT -5
^^ And that is what star-crossed is. It is not even one iota away from such artists like Dustin Lynch and Thomas Rhett, hell even Walker Hayes. So long as UMG markets her as a country artist with a country album (and they have, this is still an MCA Nashville record and the album is listed as country on all streaming platforms), she will be deserving of her nominations/wins. Can you provide some examples of her being marketed as a country artist this era, aside from choosing to include the album in the country genre on streaming and sales platforms. Genuinely just curious as I have missed this promo/marketing and would love to catch up on it. I see “Justified” is going for pop ads today.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 14, 2021 10:43:28 GMT -5
Tough for me to align with country purism when there's A) nothing remotely pure about country nowadays, and B) we've seen countless examples of albums with equal-to or lesser-than amounts of "country" than what star-crossed possesses. But, w/e. Some of this genre's fans remain weirdly and selectively territorial.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Sept 14, 2021 10:50:58 GMT -5
^^ And that is what star-crossed is. It is not even one iota away from such artists like Dustin Lynch and Thomas Rhett, hell even Walker Hayes. So long as UMG markets her as a country artist with a country album (and they have, this is still an MCA Nashville record and the album is listed as country on all streaming platforms), she will be deserving of her nominations/wins. Can you provide some examples of her being marketed as a country artist this era, aside from choosing to include the album in the country genre on streaming and sales platforms. Genuinely just curious as I have missed this promo/marketing and would love to catch up on it. I see “Justified” is going for pop ads today. Good! At least there's a radio format that will bother to give a f**k about her! I really don't see why you need examples. She's a country artist still, and her album is exactly as country as Faith Hill's Cry. That 2002 album is also not one iota removed from what we hear from country music today. But when Kacey performs at this year's CMAs, you'll have your example. The purism in the country forum is sometimes a bit too overbearing.
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 14, 2021 11:01:21 GMT -5
I mean I at least appreciate people having a different view of Kacey Musgraves and not completely accepting as country even if I find it country enough myself and I will say both sides do have valid points and it is a lot more gray than black and white.
As for where I stand, I'll say the label does seem to be going more crossover appeal with Kacey Musgraves with her latest album and so far the only thing country about the promo is it being labelled country but that never holds a ton of weight for me because what is and isn't country is the most subjective thing out there dependent on the listeners. People will find Kacey's last album country and others won't but both sides of the argument imo are valid.
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Sept 14, 2021 11:14:38 GMT -5
The way I see it, Kacey Musgraves is just like Shania Twain--she's blurring the lines of country and pop and bringing it all together into the one subgenre of country pop that (ever since Shania) has become the go-to, and oftentimes winning, formula. And in the process of that, she's bringing the country genre to a larger audience. Trust, if she performs at the CMAs, she will bring her pop-leaning fans with her. They all tuned in to the CMAs and watched the entire thing just for her when she performed with Willie Nelson and was nominated for Golden Hour. I distinctly remember seeing the fandom tweet during the opening number about how a lot of the audience (aka artists in the industry) looked "wacky."
Bringing the country genre to the attention of a crossover audience will never be a bad thing (Morgan Wallen and CU's Twitter moment notwithstanding); sometimes new fans of country artists are brought in that way. Kelsea Ballerini does this to an extent as well, with her comparisons to Taylor Swift (both vocally and lyrically) causing a lot of Taylor's pop fans to become Kelsea fans.
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Post by daddy on Sept 14, 2021 12:50:40 GMT -5
Can you provide some examples of her being marketed as a country artist this era, aside from choosing to include the album in the country genre on streaming and sales platforms. Genuinely just curious as I have missed this promo/marketing and would love to catch up on it. I see “Justified” is going for pop ads today. Good! At least there's a radio format that will bother to give a f**k about her! I really don't see why you need examples. She's a country artist still, and her album is exactly as country as Faith Hill's Cry. That 2002 album is also not one iota removed from what we hear from country music today. But when Kacey performs at this year's CMAs, you'll have your example. The purism in the country forum is sometimes a bit too overbearing. “As long as UMG markets her as a country artist…she will be deserving of her nominations/wins.” As this was part of your justification for any nominations/wins, I simply asked for examples of that marketing as I was curious. That’s all. I see you listed the CMA awards, and I’ll look forward to seeing her perform there if nominated. Regarding your “purism” remark, some of my favourite country artists are Kacey, Carrie, and Sam. I have no issues with artists exploring sounds and other genre influences. I actually prefer it and prefer Kacey’s last two albums to her first two. To me, and I acknowledge it’s just my opinion, it’s a bit unfair to artists that promote within the genre for artists whose primary focus seems to be a different audience, to be nominated over them. Do I care that much? No. Is Kacey’s music better than most other options. 100%. I just think this way and it would apply to anyone in her shoes. It’s just my opinion and I’ll vote accordingly. I respect your different view.
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Post by countrymancarriefan on Sept 27, 2021 18:15:53 GMT -5
Final round voting starts Thursday right?! (Pssst vote Carrie for Entertainer! Lol) but really #CU4EOTY… also Reba and Darius were announced Oct. 5th last year I believe. So we should be getting a host or hosts announcement in the next week or two hopefully!
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Post by countrymancarriefan on Sept 30, 2021 16:22:58 GMT -5
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Post by christianlarson9 on Sept 30, 2021 16:43:46 GMT -5
Agreed. There is literally no point in the nomination if he can't even accept the award (in the case he wins).
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 30, 2021 16:50:58 GMT -5
Swap out Dangerous and put My Savior in its place.
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Post by stanches2318 on Sept 30, 2021 17:04:40 GMT -5
He shouldn’t be banned? He did his suspension so he should be able to attend the award show. The CMAs are being very stupid with this decision.
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Post by 14887fan on Sept 30, 2021 18:18:41 GMT -5
That is 100% going to tempt any remaining voters who haven’t sent in their votes to check his name on the ballot, which sucks.
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Post by daddy on Sept 30, 2021 23:01:10 GMT -5
Swap out Dangerous and put My Savior in its place. It’s the Christian thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 14:11:17 GMT -5
Why was he allowed to be nominated if he wasn’t going to be allowed to attend?
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Post by christianlarson9 on Oct 1, 2021 14:19:16 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I think his music was eligible for nominations in song/album categories because of the other people involved with them (songwriters & producers).
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Post by liza on Oct 1, 2021 16:17:24 GMT -5
He shouldn’t be banned? He did his suspension so he should be able to attend the award show. The CMAs are being very stupid with this decision. What does that mean - he did his suspension? The CMAs didn't suspend him. He has faced nothing from the CMAs except losing a few noms. This is the logical next step for them.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 1, 2021 23:40:21 GMT -5
It does feel kinda weird to nominate him (even if it were only for his "work" rather than him as a person) and then decide, later on down the road, to say he's uninvited from the show. Like, at this point it just seems odd to make this decision now when nothing new has really come up to be like 'yeah, disqualifying him wasn't *quite* enough.'
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Post by liza on Oct 2, 2021 22:03:25 GMT -5
It does feel kinda weird to nominate him (even if it were only for his "work" rather than him as a person) and then decide, later on down the road, to say he's uninvited from the show. Like, at this point it just seems odd to make this decision now when nothing new has really come up to be like 'yeah, disqualifying him wasn't *quite* enough.' They didn't uninvite him. He was never invited. And they only nominated him for some awards "so as to not limit the opportunity for credited collaborators." This is their first opportunity to make a statement about his actions. If they gave him a pass, they would look bad. And I think they firmly believe they need to make a statement with these actions.
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Post by stanches2318 on Oct 2, 2021 23:56:51 GMT -5
I disagree. I think the CMAs and everybody should move on and let it be. I could only imagine how everybody would react if it was Maren, Kelsea or Miranda who did the same exact think as Wallen. I bet it would’ve been swept under the rug cus it would’ve been said by a female. Nobody would care as much as they do right now.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Oct 3, 2021 0:56:20 GMT -5
I disagree. I think the CMAs and everybody should move on and let it be. I could only imagine how everybody would react if it was Maren, Kelsea or Miranda who did the same exact think as Wallen. I bet it would’ve been swept under the rug cus it would’ve been said by a female. Nobody would care as much as they do right now. You cannot be serious. Women already have an extremely difficult time breaking into the Country music industry so what makes you think whatever they do or say would be swept under the rug? I am willing to bet you that they'd be eviscerated way worse than Wallen was ever did. Dixie Chicks never recovered from denouncing President Bush. Radio still has not been willing to play them in the last few years. Meanwhile, within months, Morgan is already being played on the radio again...
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Oct 3, 2021 13:45:44 GMT -5
It does feel kinda weird to nominate him (even if it were only for his "work" rather than him as a person) and then decide, later on down the road, to say he's uninvited from the show. Like, at this point it just seems odd to make this decision now when nothing new has really come up to be like 'yeah, disqualifying him wasn't *quite* enough.' They didn't uninvite him. He was never invited. And they only nominated him for some awards "so as to not limit the opportunity for credited collaborators." This is their first opportunity to make a statement about his actions. If they gave him a pass, they would look bad. And I think they firmly believe they need to make a statement with these actions. Agree with this, he wasn't ever really invited, they said he wasn't eligible and I believe if his album wins they would only give the awards to the others credited. CMA is meant to represent all country artists interests and if they let him attend or show support to him they'd be acting against some of the others they're meant to represent. On the other hand they do have to show support to the producers and other personnel on the album so that's why the album was eligible. If he had a single that wasn't written by him be nominated for song of the year it probably would've also been eligible since they could give it to the songwriters and not him.
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Post by countrymancarriefan on Oct 3, 2021 14:24:54 GMT -5
There are a lot of imperfections within the genre. This is not news. The number of conversations that need to be had in order to have concrete change in many parts of Country Music is a big one. There have to be growing pains and at some point the industry can’t turn a blind eye anymore. That is what is happening with the Morgan Wallen situation. Maybe if we see real signs of growth, and real proof of follow through on promises made, the story will be different in 2022 and 2023 as far as that that goes. Until that time these are the steps that need to be taken. I understand the nomination as far as the collaborators are concerned. That’s about it.
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Post by countrymancarriefan on Oct 3, 2021 17:18:40 GMT -5
Also really hoping we get a hosting announcement this week!! Promos should start airing full throttle soon since the show is Nov. 10.
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Post by countrymancarriefan on Oct 4, 2021 20:12:24 GMT -5
The stats don’t lie!!! #CU4EOTY
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Post by christianlarson9 on Oct 4, 2021 20:22:43 GMT -5
I was surprised to see Ryan Hurd have his FYC placed as high as it was. I'm curious if Sony is pushing hard for "Chasing After You" in the Musical Event/Music Video categories.
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Post by zdm1998 on Oct 5, 2021 7:38:16 GMT -5
Manifesting Carly takes home FVOTY and Carrie takes home EOTY.
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Post by stanches2318 on Oct 5, 2021 8:14:54 GMT -5
Manifesting Carly takes home FVOTY and Carrie takes home EOTY. I’m hoping for Carrie to win EOTY, Gabby to win her 4, Carly to win AOTY, Kelsea to win Video.
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