Billboard Hot 100: 07/31/2021

[jred]

Jul 20, 2021 11:27:02 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Remember a few weeks ago when J. Cole did weird formatting for all his songs titles and I said I can't wait for a mainstream act to drop a tracklist with titles that are symbols? Well here's the latest one from Coldplay


How tf is someone supposed to search for this ordinarily?

I’m fairly certain that each of those songs are interludes, considering none of them are longer than a minute except for Track #6, which is the previously-revealed “Human Heart”.

[TakeMe]

Jul 20, 2021 8:42:42 GMT -5 spiritboy said:

Post Malone will be more than fine. Some people wrote Ed off after Afterglow but look how well Bad Habits is doing. Of course some will claim a top 5 hit is underperformaning but for me it's a win. Post will do very well with the lead single of his next album in my opinion.

Does it being discounted since release have a part in why it’s doin well?

[kindofbiased]

Considering Pink was getting year end hits as recently as 2017 and 2019 (even though Walk Me Home barely scratched that list lmao) I’m not too surprised she’s getting another one this year

What’s a lot MORE surprising is that it’s a country duet that’s spent 30+ weeks below the top 50 and is just about to hit it now 😭

[jayhawk1117]

There should be enough time in between now and My Universes release for the Army to gain some more international funds. Easy 500 point debut 😪

[nathanalbright]

Jul 20, 2021 12:35:53 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Considering Pink was getting year end hits as recently as 2017 and 2019 (even though Walk Me Home barely scratched that list lmao) I’m not too surprised she’s getting another one this year

What’s a lot MORE surprising is that it’s a country duet that’s spent 30+ weeks below the top 50 and is just about to hit it now 😭

Yeah, that's true.  Pink has been a relatively consistent hitmaker, but I don't think anyone had country duet + more than thirty weeks on the chart + possible debut in the top 50 on week 32 in mind, much less with that 32nd week being necessary to clinch the YE spot.

[waluigionascooter]

Jul 20, 2021 12:35:53 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Considering Pink was getting year end hits as recently as 2017 and 2019 (even though Walk Me Home barely scratched that list lmao) I’m not too surprised she’s getting another one this year

What’s a lot MORE surprising is that it’s a country duet that’s spent 30+ weeks below the top 50 and is just about to hit it now 😭

Yeah I remember being shocked in 2019 that Katy Perry missed the YE list but somehow P!nk made it.

I guess someone had to fill the whole "former pop idol making adult alternative mom music" niche.

[phieaglesfan712]

I hate to sound like sour grapes, but the removal of UGC and the arbitrary recurrent rules has helped manufacture One Too Many’s run. If UGC were still counted, OTM would have never reached 20 weeks, and if the 50/20 rule was applied uniformly, it would not have gotten all those undeserved weeks. To me, those weeks are just as illegitimate as Dynamite’s last 5 weeks on the chart and Sucker/I Don’t Care’s weeks post-UGC removal rules. Also, I find it fishy how OTM got streaming gainer, when it was nowhere to be found on the AM chart. I mean, did it get the award because it jumped the most positions from like 2000 to 1500 on AM?

[85la]

When it comes down to it, the idea of a "lead single" is completely meaningless these days. Fully promoted radio singles are constantly being released from artists, sometimes several before an album release, often with no clarification or indication whether those songs will be on said album, with the release dates and sometimes the titles of the albums constantly changing as well. And sometimes even when singles are officially announced as being the lead off an upcomping album, artists/labels lie and play revisionist history with us if they underperform, saying things like "oh that wasn't actually the lead single, it was just a one-off to test the waters out."

The Ariana Focus-Moonlight situation is a clear example of this, as that single was fully marketed and promoted to be the lead single off of the intended soon to be released album "Moonlight," however the whole project was scrapped when Focus underperformed, and they went on with the revamped project "Dangerous Woman," pretending that Moonlight never happened. And just to prove I'm not an Ariana hater, this has also happened with Mariah Carey several times, such as with Triumphant, and also with Obsessed (though ironically with Obsessed, it far out-performed the new switchover "first single" I Want to Know What Love Is). This situation is happening with Drake now in real time, as Laugh Now Cry Later was announced as the lead single, but it's been so long, it's hard to say if it will make the album, and of course he's also released other singles since then.

Bottom line, we simply don't know what the first or any singles off an album will be until after that album has actually been released. Because of that, in many cases it's fully fair to judge the standing of an artist's career based on every fully-promoted radio single they release.

[nathanalbright]

One could think of the Camila Cabello situation on her first album where "Crying In The Club" was supposed to be a lead single but got dropped when it didn't do well. It is certainly fair to judge an artist by fully promoted singles, but then there is a question on how fully promoted those songs are.

[rimetm]

Jul 20, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I hate to sound like sour grapes, but the removal of UGC and the arbitrary recurrent rules has helped manufacture One Too Many’s run. If UGC were still counted, OTM would have never reached 20 weeks, and if the 50/20 rule was applied uniformly, it would not have gotten all those undeserved weeks. To me, those weeks are just as illegitimate as Dynamite’s last 5 weeks on the chart and Sucker/I Don’t Care’s weeks post-UGC removal rules. Also, I find it fishy how OTM got streaming gainer, when it was nowhere to be found on the AM chart. I mean, did it get the award because it jumped the most positions from like 2000 to 1500 on AM?

Buddy, have you not been looking at the Rolling Stone chart? One Too Many may have been buoyed by radio gains for the past few weeks, but this week in particular it had gains across the board. It getting Streaming Gainer was valid, the award is based on the raw gain of streams, not positions. As to your trite "removal of UGC manufactured runs like One Too Many", I already countered your points about recurrency in that failed thread you tried to start, stop trying to present your timeline as the truth when it's willfull ignorance now.

[GW]

Jul 20, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I hate to sound like sour grapes, but the removal of UGC and the arbitrary recurrent rules has helped manufacture One Too Many’s run. If UGC were still counted, OTM would have never reached 20 weeks, and if the 50/20 rule was applied uniformly, it would not have gotten all those undeserved weeks. To me, those weeks are just as illegitimate as Dynamite’s last 5 weeks on the chart and Sucker/I Don’t Care’s weeks post-UGC removal rules. Also, I find it fishy how OTM got streaming gainer, when it was nowhere to be found on the AM chart. I mean, did it get the award because it jumped the most positions from like 2000 to 1500 on AM?

Arbitrary?  The recurrent rule exception, when it comes to actively-promoted songs that are still gaining at their core format, is nothing new and has applied to many instances over the years/decades.  Arbitrary is defined as random or on a whim, and this exception to the overall rule is neither random or on a whim.  It's logical, systematic, and in place for a reason. Recurrency is intended for songs that have already peaked, not songs that are slow to build and peak.  The scenario for why it exists is playing out right before our eyes with OTM, yet you're still out here acting like it makes no sense, repeatedly, every chance you get.  What's not clicking?

Bringing up UGC, again, because you think it strengthens your obnoxious narrative about OTM, is so tired. I have nothing but secondhand embarrassment for you at this point.  Probably just you begging for the attention I'm giving you right now. Congrats, sis.

By saying it's "fishy", are you suggesting that Billboard is compromised, and is accepting bribes to award a song by Keith Urban and Pink (of all acts) a greatest gainer?  Then again, you're the guy who thinks Billboard not releasing their charts right away on Friday or Saturday is "shady."  

*sigh*  

[Groovy]

Jul 20, 2021 13:01:41 GMT -5 waluigionascooter said:

Jul 20, 2021 12:35:53 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Considering Pink was getting year end hits as recently as 2017 and 2019 (even though Walk Me Home barely scratched that list lmao) I’m not too surprised she’s getting another one this year

What’s a lot MORE surprising is that it’s a country duet that’s spent 30+ weeks below the top 50 and is just about to hit it now 😭

Yeah I remember being shocked in 2019 that Katy Perry missed the YE list but somehow P!nk made it.

I guess someone had to fill the whole "former pop idol making adult alternative mom music" niche.

Uhh?

[degen]

Jul 20, 2021 13:16:36 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

One could think of the Camila Cabello situation on her first album where "Crying In The Club" was supposed to be a lead single but got dropped when it didn't do well. It is certainly fair to judge an artist by fully promoted singles, but then there is a question on how fully promoted those songs are.

Same can be said about Cardi B with “WAP” and Up!” except they both hit #1 and we still don’t have the album or album title that supposedly carries the 2 #1s on it.

[campbellssoup]

Jul 20, 2021 14:19:35 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Jul 20, 2021 13:01:41 GMT -5 waluigionascooter said:

Yeah I remember being shocked in 2019 that Katy Perry missed the YE list but somehow P!nk made it.

I guess someone had to fill the whole "former pop idol making adult alternative mom music" niche.

Uhh?

They were talking about Never Really Over

[joshtheking]

Jul 20, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I hate to sound like sour grapes, but the removal of UGC and the arbitrary recurrent rules has helped manufacture One Too Many’s run. If UGC were still counted, OTM would have never reached 20 weeks, and if the 50/20 rule was applied uniformly, it would not have gotten all those undeserved weeks. To me, those weeks are just as illegitimate as Dynamite’s last 5 weeks on the chart and Sucker/I Don’t Care’s weeks post-UGC removal rules. Also, I find it fishy how OTM got streaming gainer, when it was nowhere to be found on the AM chart. I mean, did it get the award because it jumped the most positions from like 2000 to 1500 on AM?

[Limited Edition]

Has Levitating performed better in streaming than Blinding Lights? The song is still top 5 on streaming after 28 weeks in the top 10

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 20, 2021 14:14:03 GMT -5 GW said:

Jul 20, 2021 13:09:53 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I hate to sound like sour grapes, but the removal of UGC and the arbitrary recurrent rules has helped manufacture One Too Many’s run. If UGC were still counted, OTM would have never reached 20 weeks, and if the 50/20 rule was applied uniformly, it would not have gotten all those undeserved weeks. To me, those weeks are just as illegitimate as Dynamite’s last 5 weeks on the chart and Sucker/I Don’t Care’s weeks post-UGC removal rules. Also, I find it fishy how OTM got streaming gainer, when it was nowhere to be found on the AM chart. I mean, did it get the award because it jumped the most positions from like 2000 to 1500 on AM?

By saying it's "fishy", are you suggesting that Billboard is compromised, and is accepting bribes to award a song by Keith Urban and Pink (of all acts) a greatest gainer?  Then again, you're the guy who thinks Billboard not releasing their charts right away on Friday or Saturday is "shady."  

*sigh*  

Billboard has been compromised since January 2020, when they removed UGC but kept website sales. The fact that they have allowed BTS stans to manipulate the rules for this long should tell you something. I trust the ARIA and UK charts more than the Hot 100. They release on Friday, and never seem to have the fiascos we have here with the US Hot 100.

[GW]

Jul 20, 2021 15:44:15 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 20, 2021 14:14:03 GMT -5 GW said:

By saying it's "fishy", are you suggesting that Billboard is compromised, and is accepting bribes to award a song by Keith Urban and Pink (of all acts) a greatest gainer?  Then again, you're the guy who thinks Billboard not releasing their charts right away on Friday or Saturday is "shady."  

*sigh*  

Billboard has been compromised since January 2020, when they removed UGC but kept website sales. The fact that they have allowed BTS stans to manipulate the rules for this long should tell you something. I trust the ARIA and UK charts more than the Hot 100. They release on Friday, and never seem to have the fiascos we have here with the US Hot 100.

Cool - so there's no reason for you to be in this thread anymore if it's compromised.   And Blinding Lights' chart run is all part of a compromised chart.  Got it.  See ya never.

[kcdawg13]

Here's my theory for next week, I think the ARMY saw the pathetic drop from Butter last week and will likely split the difference between both tracks so they can soften Butter's fall, this split will cause PTD to fall from #1 and give Olivia the edge.

It's that or they have no shame and will let Butter crumble like it never existed in favor of keeping PTD #1.

[chartfreak]

Jul 20, 2021 16:32:07 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Here's my theory for next week, I think the ARMY saw the pathetic drop from Butter last week and will likely split the difference between both tracks so they can soften Butter's fall, this split will cause PTD to fall from #1 and give Olivia the edge.

It's that or they have no shame and will let Butter crumble like it never existed in favor of keeping PTD #1.

Or they do everything they can to bring Butter back to #1, since less sales would be needed compared to PTD, and they let PTD plummet.

[rimetm]

According to the Army Connect Twitter, the main one that organizes goals and tracks D2C order counts, the goal that the buyers have been pushing for is getting Butter back to #1 and Permission to Dance to remain in the top 10.

[kindofbiased]

So what you guys are saying is no matter what happens between Butter and Permission To Dance next week it’ll be hilarious

[chartfreak]

Well at least the back and forth is more entertaining, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else snuck into the #1 position.

[phieaglesfan712]

I would gloat so hard if BTS stans screwed this up and let both Butter and PTD capitulate outside of the Top 10, and it allowed BL to sneak in a long awaited 58th week in the Top 10.

[nathanalbright]

At the least we can hope that the switching back and forth between which song to promote might confuse some of the less well-educated privates and allow a legitimate #1 to slip through the fraudulent sales.

[kindofbiased]

That same ARMY account that’s trying to get Butter back to #1 just announced that this could be their last week accepting funds bc of their schedules. The fact that that could have a very noticeable effect on the charts is SO funny to me

[nathanalbright]

tfw when deep pocketed foreign accounts don't know if it is worthwhile to prop up songs to be #1 in the USA

[kcdawg13]

Jul 20, 2021 17:09:13 GMT -5 rimetm said:

According to the Army Connect Twitter, the main one that organizes goals and tracks D2C order counts, the goal that the buyers have been pushing for is getting Butter back to #1 and Permission to Dance to remain in the top 10.

That would be the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of the Hot 100, we've seen old #1 albums get bundles and shoot back up to #1 on the Billboard 200, like Bon Jovi in 2018. But we've never seen something like that happen on the Hot 100, if Butter goes 1-7-1 it would be pretty funny and would showcase how broken the whole chart is right now.

Songs like Circles and Mood have gone 1-5-1 but that's because of Christmas tracks clogging up the charts, Butter going back to #1 after stumbling outta the Top 5 with no album bombs/Holiday songs to kick it down would be embarrassing.

But again, ARMY's have no shame so whatever.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 20, 2021 20:55:12 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Jul 20, 2021 17:09:13 GMT -5 rimetm said:

According to the Army Connect Twitter, the main one that organizes goals and tracks D2C order counts, the goal that the buyers have been pushing for is getting Butter back to #1 and Permission to Dance to remain in the top 10.

That would be the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of the Hot 100, we've seen old #1 albums get bundles and shoot back up to #1 on the Billboard 200, like Bon Jovi in 2018. But we've never seen something like that happen on the Hot 100, if Butter goes 1-7-1 it would be pretty funny and would showcase how broken the whole chart is right now.

Songs like Circles and Mood have gone 1-5-1 but that's because of Christmas tracks clogging up the charts, Butter going back to #1 after stumbling outta the Top 5 with no album bombs/Holiday songs to kick it down would be embarrassing.

But again, ARMY's have no shame so whatever.

And even then, Circles and Mood had several weeks gap between falling from 1 to outside the Top 5 then back to 1. No song has ever gone from 1 to outside the Top 5 back to 1 directly. I’m not so sure if there’s even a song with a 3-week run of 1-3-1 or 1-4-1.

[kcdawg13]

Jul 20, 2021 21:03:44 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 20, 2021 20:55:12 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

That would be the funniest thing to ever happen in the history of the Hot 100, we've seen old #1 albums get bundles and shoot back up to #1 on the Billboard 200, like Bon Jovi in 2018. But we've never seen something like that happen on the Hot 100, if Butter goes 1-7-1 it would be pretty funny and would showcase how broken the whole chart is right now.

Songs like Circles and Mood have gone 1-5-1 but that's because of Christmas tracks clogging up the charts, Butter going back to #1 after stumbling outta the Top 5 with no album bombs/Holiday songs to kick it down would be embarrassing.

But again, ARMY's have no shame so whatever.

And even then, Circles and Mood had several weeks gap between falling from 1 to outside the Top 5 then back to 1. No song has ever gone from 1 to outside the Top 5 back to 1 directly. I’m not so sure if there’s even a song with a 3-week run of 1-3-1 or 1-4-1.

I'm not sure but even right now having Butter's chart run stacked up against Olivia's is hilarious.

Butter: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-7-
good 4 u: 1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-

Without BTS we would be dealing with a 10+ week #1 single