Billboard Hot 100: 07/31/2021

[wjr15]

Jul 27, 2021 9:29:54 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 27, 2021 9:02:51 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

Butter’s chart run is as organic as square watermelon.

And even if its week at #1 was somewhat dubious, at least Watermelon Sugar had longevity and the rest of its run was legitimate. Can’t say that about the last 5 weeks of Dynamite or anything after the first 3 weeks of Butter.

Gurl…that was a simile, not a misspelling.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_watermelon

I would never subject King Harry to that comparison.

[firefox]

What do you think of the comment I found on the video above?

"Do you think it was a huge mistake letting @chartdata introduce stan Twitter to the Billboard Hot 100?"

[nathanalbright]

Yes, the answer is yes. Perhaps it is inevitable that someone did it, but it is lamentable nonetheless.

[otaviohmg]

[Choco]

Before Twitter existed we had Bieber, Jonas Brothers and Taylor Swift getting one week wonders with album tracks all the time. I remember one JB song going #11-out. Loopholes to fake chart-popularity have always existed.

I like @chartdata regardless of how people misuse the information.

[nathanalbright]

This is true, but say what you will, at least there were tens to hundreds of thousands of actual fans involved with all of those artists.

[jayhawk1117]

Jul 27, 2021 10:03:07 GMT -5 firefox said:

What do you think of the comment I found on the video above?

"Do you think it was a huge mistake letting @chartdata introduce stan Twitter to the Billboard Hot 100?"

I don't see how the answer is anything either than yes lmao. Yeah the chart has been abused before but at least those songs going "3-16-57-88-Out" felt organic. Now it just feels like a group of 12k people collab on a way to get their fave to number one with the least resistance and twitter accounts giving realistic point breakdowns just makes it easier to abuse.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

BTS army or no, we need to drop this whole “feels organic” idea that keeps coming up. The success of a song can legitimately be short lived.

[nathanalbright]

When I look at it, feels organic reflects the actual level of interest for a song among the general public not being propped up by others.

[phieaglesfan712]

Jul 27, 2021 10:31:43 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

Jul 27, 2021 10:03:07 GMT -5 firefox said:

What do you think of the comment I found on the video above?

"Do you think it was a huge mistake letting @chartdata introduce stan Twitter to the Billboard Hot 100?"

I don't see how the answer is anything either than yes lmao. Yeah the chart has been abused before but at least those songs going "3-16-57-88-Out" felt organic. Now it just feels like a group of 12k people collab on a way to get their fave to number one with the least resistance and twitter accounts giving realistic point breakdowns just makes it easier to abuse.

I think the demarcation line is the removal of UGC. Before it, the songs that did that type of run felt somewhat legitimate because when UGC counted, it was harder to manipulate the chart with sales. Now, without that buffer, it is much easier to manipulate the charts with sales, and such songs don’t feel like as legitimate to me, and I t is not just BTS. You’ve got songs by Travis Scott, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, and several others as well.

[jayhawk1117]

Jul 27, 2021 11:07:19 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

Jul 27, 2021 10:31:43 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

I don't see how the answer is anything either than yes lmao. Yeah the chart has been abused before but at least those songs going "3-16-57-88-Out" felt organic. Now it just feels like a group of 12k people collab on a way to get their fave to number one with the least resistance and twitter accounts giving realistic point breakdowns just makes it easier to abuse.

I think the demarcation line is the removal of UGC. Before it, the songs that did that type of run felt somewhat legitimate because when UGC counted, it was harder to manipulate the chart with sales. Now, without that buffer, it is much easier to manipulate the charts with sales, and such songs don’t feel like as legitimate to me, and I t is not just BTS. You’ve got songs by Travis Scott, Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, and several others as well.

oh absolutely. But at least those songs USUALLY don't block clearly bigger songs from number one entirely, Good 4 U has realistically been the biggest song in the country for 10 weeks but ya know 24 copies, 60 dollars a month is good enough for Billboard

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 27, 2021 10:37:30 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

When I look at it, feels organic reflects the actual level of interest for a song among the general public not being propped up by others.

As it should be. Sometimes I feel like there’s to much focus on the actual chart runs of songs without looking at anything underneath.

I also want to mention that as much as we hate on army for propping up Butter, they are obviously part of the people whose streams and purchases should be included as part of the Hot 100. Obviously the issue is that they believe their voices are more important than everyone else, hence their desire to buy 72 copies of a song each week over and over. I’m sure we all know that but I think it needs to be said occasionally anyway as a reminder.

[nathanalbright]

It's quite amazing how the conversation about this week's charts didn't really last long after the charts were revealed. I suppose we've said most of what can be said about a few of these songs over and over again.

[iHype.]

ChartData didn't really start/influence the whole chart-inflating from stans, they just post charts *after* the consumption has been done. They did probably fuel the obsession with charts among artists I feel though. So many artists never reposted their accomplishments on charts til recent years, and I also think many probably feel so much pressure knowing such a big amount of public is gonna see how their charting does when its tweeted out.

All the tactics from artists like Taylor/Weeknd/Nicki/Travis/etc that started the last few years and never happened prior are because I feel like because they have gotten so roped into seeing their numbers be publicly discussed by others. 

TOTC moreso was really the tipping point in helping stans figure out exactly *how* to boost/inflate charting themselves, but I think that was also gonna happen eventually regardless.

[otaviohmg]

bye thread