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Post by taylor on Oct 15, 2021 18:28:53 GMT -5
Manipulation takes every ounce of fun out of watching the charts, and it continues to feed into the newfound practice of handing out participation #1s to songs that haven’t done all that well compared to songs like IIDLY, which again, is one of the biggest hits of 2021 and is without a doubt the biggest hit both Jason and Carrie have had in years, especially Carrie. It deserves a multi-week run at #1 simply for reaching the upper echelons of the chart in literally less than three months after its release…while “My Boy” has been on radio for over a year, lmao. I mean, I have always found chart watching more exciting in the lower portions of the chart where it is a lot more unstable but that's just me. Also with how long IIDLY is gonna be pushed (early November) it looks to be a multi week #1 regardless of "My Boy" this week and regardless of how long it spends at #1 it is still a huge hit no matter what the radio label at #1 is. That’s not my point. Good for Elvie getting a #1, but if it had to be manipulated to #1, then was it really deserving of that distinction? If this were the 90s or even late 2000s, he would not have ever hit #1 with this song, and Jason/Carrie would’ve had the #1 this week as well as the next few weeks they are guaranteed to get at the top spot. The bigger hit would’ve won out this week, not waited to let the smaller hit have an honorable mention. I want chart runs like that to return, which is why I’m loving Walker Hayes’ chart run as well (as much as I personally can’t stand “Fancy Like”).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 18:32:06 GMT -5
Also what's the big deal if "My Boy" hits #1 even if it did take a bit more manipulation? Like given how long it is implied "If I Didn't Love You" is going to be pushed to the top it is going to hit #1 regardless of how this week shakes out, so I don't see a huge problem if Elvie Shane takes a week at #1 especially since it is entirely possible/likely Elvie Shane becomes a one hit wonder, while I do think both Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood are still gonna be scoring hits. Point is, "If I Didn't Love You" is going to hit #1 regardless why is it so bad for Broken Bow to want both their songs to be #1 hits and for radio to comply? Because if he didn’t earn it why should it be manipulated to get it for him. It’s like giving every kid a trophy instead of those that are the best that truly earned it.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 15, 2021 18:39:09 GMT -5
I mean, I have always found chart watching more exciting in the lower portions of the chart where it is a lot more unstable but that's just me. Also with how long IIDLY is gonna be pushed (early November) it looks to be a multi week #1 regardless of "My Boy" this week and regardless of how long it spends at #1 it is still a huge hit no matter what the radio label at #1 is. That’s not my point. Good for Elvie getting a #1, but if it had to be manipulated to #1, then was it really deserving of that distinction? If this were the 90s or even late 2000s, he would not have ever hit #1 with this song, and Jason/Carrie would’ve had the #1 this week as well as the next few weeks they are guaranteed to get at the top spot. The bigger hit would’ve won out this week, not waited to let the smaller hit have an honorable mention. I want chart runs like that to return, which is why I’m loving Walker Hayes’ chart run as well (as much as I personally can’t stand “Fancy Like”). I guess I don't mind it as much because I like "My Boy" much more than "If I Didn't Love You" so I am always gonna naturally root for the songs I like, and I have gotten so used to these large pushes to #1 that these large pushes no longer bug me as I have gotten so custom to it. Also I know better than to waste hope that these chart runs to ever return as a whole because to be blunt they won't. The way the charts are, are how they are always gonna be more than likely from here on out and I wish people would just accept that since there is nothing anyone here can do to change this stuff, besides complain and bitch about this and after a while you can only complain about the same stuff over and over again, and eventually it becomes a losing battle that isn't worth it. If you or anyone else think my stance on this is wrong or stupid that's fine (I am not saying you said it but I wouldn't be shocked if some people reading this thinks it) but I hope I have explained myself well.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 15, 2021 18:40:15 GMT -5
Also what's the big deal if "My Boy" hits #1 even if it did take a bit more manipulation? Like given how long it is implied "If I Didn't Love You" is going to be pushed to the top it is going to hit #1 regardless of how this week shakes out, so I don't see a huge problem if Elvie Shane takes a week at #1 especially since it is entirely possible/likely Elvie Shane becomes a one hit wonder, while I do think both Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood are still gonna be scoring hits. Point is, "If I Didn't Love You" is going to hit #1 regardless why is it so bad for Broken Bow to want both their songs to be #1 hits and for radio to comply? Because if he didn’t earn it why should it be manipulated to get it for him. It’s like giving every kid a trophy instead of those that are the best that truly earned it. I don't mind the whole trophy thing though and don't mind the extra push? Sorry for thinking that, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 18:44:21 GMT -5
Because if he didn’t earn it why should it be manipulated to get it for him. It’s like giving every kid a trophy instead of those that are the best that truly earned it. I don't mind the whole trophy thing though and don't mind the extra push? Sorry for thinking that, I guess. I understand where you’re coming from but if I’m Elvie I’d be against what they’re doing. If I couldn’t get there on my own then I don’t want it handed to me. That’s just my opinion thou.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 15, 2021 18:47:23 GMT -5
I don't mind the whole trophy thing though and don't mind the extra push? Sorry for thinking that, I guess. I understand where you’re coming from but if I’m Elvie I’d be against what they’re doing. If I couldn’t get there on my own then I don’t want it handed to me. That’s just my opinion thou. I wouldn't because 1. Who knows when the next time I am hitting #1, and 2. Why would anyone complain with getting a #1 as it is a nice little shining star for them. But I do understand where you are coming from just fyi.
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Post by zdm1998 on Oct 16, 2021 4:55:46 GMT -5
I think what rubbed me the wrong way with this push is that IIDLY shouldn’t have been touched at all. If My Boy could out gain it enough this week on its own to get it to the penthouse then that’s fair game.
When you start tweeking the system and removing spins from songs that have never lost spins or had low daily updates, that’s when I don’t like it. Because truth be told My Boy wouldn’t have made it to #1 this week if they left IIDLY alone. There are tons of songs that got blocked from #1 due to bad timing. Sometimes that’s just what it is. Yeah Boy by Kelsea Ballerini comes to mind when it was blocked by Body Like A Backroad; and she was much more established at the time than Elvie.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2021 7:46:47 GMT -5
I think what rubbed me the wrong way with this push is that IIDLY shouldn’t have been touched at all. If My Boy could out gain it enough this week on its own to get it to the penthouse then that’s fair game. When you start tweeking the system and removing spins from songs that have never lost spins or had low daily updates, that’s when I don’t like it. Because truth be told My Boy wouldn’t have made it to #1 this week if they left IIDLY alone. There are tons of songs that got blocked from #1 due to bad timing. Sometimes that’s just what it is. Yeah Boy by Kelsea Ballerini comes to mind when it was blocked by Body Like A Backroad; and she was much more established at the time this Elvie. You hit the nail on the head with all of this. There's even been times in the past where the hit song that was deliberately slowed down so a less powerful single could pass it up for the #1, wound up later losing its own chance at being a #1 hit when they tried to put promotional effort back into it. That definitely won't happen here at least, but it's still annoying to see.
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Post by someguy on Oct 16, 2021 7:50:12 GMT -5
I think what rubbed me the wrong way with this push is that IIDLY shouldn’t have been touched at all. If My Boy could out gain it enough this week on its own to get it to the penthouse then that’s fair game. When you start tweeking the system and removing spins from songs that have never lost spins or had low daily updates, that’s when I don’t like it. Because truth be told My Boy wouldn’t have made it to #1 this week if they left IIDLY alone. There are tons of songs that got blocked from #1 due to bad timing. Sometimes that’s just what it is. Yeah Boy by Kelsea Ballerini comes to mind when it was blocked by Body Like A Backroad; and she was much more established at the time this Elvie. You hit the nail on the head with all of this. There's even been times in the past where the hit song that was deliberately slowed down so a less powerful single could pass it up for the #1, wound up later losing its own chance at being a #1 hit when they tried to put promotional effort back into it. That definitely won't happen here at least, but it's still annoying to see. So annoying to see. Like it or not, "If I Didn't Love You" and "Fancy Like" are both mammoth hits. They should both be able to enjoy their time at #1 without another song sliding in because of airplay decisions.
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Post by bdrm87 on Oct 16, 2021 13:38:32 GMT -5
LMAO some of y’all are so dramatic. Poor Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood, having to wait a whole extra week for their song to hit #1. I hope their careers can recover from this 🙄
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 16, 2021 14:07:45 GMT -5
It's the dramatics that annoy me (I know haha ironic coming from me with earlier in this thread), the fact that people care this much about chart integrity or whatever when it is such a mundane thing to give a fuck about, and also people here get annoyed that Broken Bow is acting self interested and wants both of their songs to be #1 hits, and as if anyone here was in Broken Bow's shoes they would probably do the exact same thing because news flash businesses are gonna want as many #1s as possible.
Also it's hard to feel bad for Jason Aldean or this song when as a person he is a complete POS that is horrible on all levels imo, and the song itself will hit number one regardless. Country radio has been doing this stuff for a long amount of time now, and no amount of bitching, whining, or complaining here is gonna change anything especially since most country music fans don't give a crap about the charts and probably don't care about any of this. So I am shocked people still to this day here still complain about this. Do I think their are probably undeserving #1s that I wished got swapped out? Yes. But the label/artist, etc. Did enough to get it to #1 and ultimately earned the #1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 14:08:47 GMT -5
LMAO some of y’all are so dramatic. Poor Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood, having to wait a whole extra week for their song to hit #1. I hope their careers can recover from this 🙄 That’s not the point. If Elvie couldn’t get “My Boy” to #1 then he doesn’t deserve it. I don’t understand how that is so hard for ppl to get. Why should Jason & Carrie have to slow their song down to let a less popular song stay ahead? In a NASCAR race is a driver gonna slow down and let a rookie pass him to win the race because the veteran driver has already won a bunch of races before him. Nope
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Post by .indulgecountry on Oct 16, 2021 14:25:44 GMT -5
The irony of the most dramatic comments coming from the ones who are rooting for Elvie to hit #1 being the ones complaining about the dramatics. "My Boy" is a solid song and a pretty deserving hit, but the manipulation has its levels and this one is particularly egregious. I don't see how there's anything even remotely wrong about calling it out.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2021 14:47:49 GMT -5
LMAO some of y’all are so dramatic. Poor Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood, having to wait a whole extra week for their song to hit #1. I hope their careers can recover from this 🙄 That’s not the point. If Elvie couldn’t get “My Boy” to #1 then he doesn’t deserve it. I don’t understand how that is so hard for ppl to get. Why should Jason & Carrie have to slow their song down to let a less popular song stay ahead? In a NASCAR race is a driver gonna slow down and let a rookie pass him to win the race because the veteran driver has already won a bunch of races before him. Nope I agree with your sentiment, but this analogy doesn't work. If, "IIDLY," slowed down to let, "My Boy," pass and then not reach #1 themselves your analogy would work. That isn't the case here.
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Post by taylor on Oct 16, 2021 15:12:47 GMT -5
LMAO some of y’all are so dramatic. Poor Jason Aldean and Carrie Underwood, having to wait a whole extra week for their song to hit #1. I hope their careers can recover from this 🙄 That’s not the point. If Elvie couldn’t get “My Boy” to #1 then he doesn’t deserve it. I don’t understand how that is so hard for ppl to get. Why should Jason & Carrie have to slow their song down to let a less popular song stay ahead? In a NASCAR race is a driver gonna slow down and let a rookie pass him to win the race because the veteran driver has already won a bunch of races before him. Nope You hit the nail right in the middle of the head. "My Boy" is a great song, but if it wasn't gonna hit #1 without this manipulation, then it simply didn't deserve it, regardless of whether or not Elvie and Jason are both on Broken Bow. .indulgecountry also pointed out about times in the past where a pair of songs did this same thing, and then the bigger hit wound up losing its chance at #1 altogether, when THAT was the song that deserved the #1. And that's what this is about. Regardless of Jason's character (and I think his character is a steaming pile of dog s**t, mind you), this song has been a mammoth beast on the charts no matter what angle you view it from and deserved the #1 this week. I don't care about whether or not it's getting the #1 next week anyways, I care about calling out particularly egregious chart manipulation, and there is nothing wrong whatsoever with doing that.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2021 15:19:15 GMT -5
That’s not the point. If Elvie couldn’t get “My Boy” to #1 then he doesn’t deserve it. I don’t understand how that is so hard for ppl to get. Why should Jason & Carrie have to slow their song down to let a less popular song stay ahead? In a NASCAR race is a driver gonna slow down and let a rookie pass him to win the race because the veteran driver has already won a bunch of races before him. Nope You hit the nail right in the middle of the head. "My Boy" is a great song, but if it wasn't gonna hit #1 without this manipulation, then it simply didn't deserve it, regardless of whether or not Elvie and Jason are both on Broken Bow. .indulgecountry also pointed out about times in the past where a pair of songs did this same thing, and then the bigger hit wound up losing its chance at #1 altogether, when THAT was the song that deserved the #1. And that's what this is about. Regardless of Jason's character (and I think his character is a steaming pile of dog s**t, mind you), this song has been a mammoth beast on the charts no matter what angle you view it from and deserved the #1 this week. I don't care about whether or not it's getting the #1 next week anyways, I care about calling out particularly egregious chart manipulation, and there is nothing wrong whatsoever with doing that. I agree with you 100%. I think the thing is (at least how I am seeing it) is this is how 75% of the songs reach #1 right now. So while I agree with you, it's VERY annoying and doesn't seem genuine, "My Boy," joins a ridiculously long list of songs that only got to #1 because of chart manipulation. With that said, it can't be a Carrie thread without people freaking out about the charts so everyone should carry on for traditional purposes!
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Post by meuirmao on Oct 16, 2021 16:00:07 GMT -5
I don't care about whether or not it's getting the #1 next week anyways, I care about calling out particularly egregious chart manipulation, and there is nothing wrong whatsoever with doing that. Please, we all know why you're getting involved. If Carrie wasn't featured on this song you wouldn't say anything about the bigger song deserving #1 this week, you'd be celebrating 'my boy' potentially blocking this instead. The truth is Carrie hasn't had a #1 hit in many many years and may not get another chance at getting a multi week #1. That's the only reason you are getting up in arms.
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Post by taylor on Oct 16, 2021 16:19:28 GMT -5
I don't care about whether or not it's getting the #1 next week anyways, I care about calling out particularly egregious chart manipulation, and there is nothing wrong whatsoever with doing that. Please, we all know why you're getting involved. If Carrie wasn't featured on this song you wouldn't say anything about the bigger song deserving #1 this week, you'd be celebrating 'my boy' potentially blocking this instead. The truth is Carrie hasn't had a #1 hit in many many years and may not get another chance at getting a multi week #1. That's the only reason you are getting up in arms. And who the f**k are you to assume things about me? I actually do like a select few of Jason's songs ("Blame It On You" has actually grown to be a favorite from him for instance), and I don't care who was put on it, or if he had even done it solo--if it's the bigger hit, it's the bigger hit, and this would've been a favorite of mine regardless. Carrie is not on Walker Hayes' "Fancy Like" and I hate that song and everything I've ever heard from him, yet I'm not complaining about the fact that it's an equally massive hit and will have multiple weeks at #1 and block several songs from the top spot likely--in fact, I welcome it, for literally every reason I have outlined in this thread.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 16, 2021 17:09:27 GMT -5
The truth is Carrie hasn't had a #1 hit in many many years and may not get another chance at getting a multi week #1. Yikes @ this delusion.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 16, 2021 17:45:37 GMT -5
The truth is Carrie hasn't had a #1 hit in many many years and may not get another chance at getting a multi week #1. Yikes @ this delusion. I mean is it delusional? Carrie Underwood is now 38 years old which is pretty old for a female artist in country music unfortunately, and her last album Cry Pretty showed she was not invincible from missing out on the Top 5/10 and that album era took a solid chunk out of her radio stock. If she tries to do a Cry Pretty 2.0 sound wise I have to think her radio stock and chances of hitting #1 will continue to go down. Now if she goes like how Miranda Lambert did with Wildcard sound wise then Carrie Underwood will be fine, but dependent on the lead single and sophomore single of her next studio album I can see it going either way dependent on the sound.
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Post by meuirmao on Oct 16, 2021 18:02:02 GMT -5
And who the f**k are you to assume things about me? I actually do like a select few of Jason's songs ("Blame It On You" has actually grown to be a favorite from him for instance), and I don't care who was put on it, or if he had even done it solo--if it's the bigger hit, it's the bigger hit, and this would've been a favorite of mine regardless. Carrie is not on Walker Hayes' "Fancy Like" and I hate that song and everything I've ever heard from him, yet I'm not complaining about the fact that it's an equally massive hit and will have multiple weeks at #1 and block several songs from the top spot likely--in fact, I welcome it, for literally every reason I have outlined in this thread. Wow, totally unnecessary. I said if Carrie wasn't featured on this song you wouldnt care about it being blocked or it's weeks at #1 being reduced. And I stand by it. And that's ok, it's who you stan. And you want her to be as successful as she can be. But the point Im making is very clear, let's not kid ourselves bringing in 'fancy like', the unavoidable TikTok and applebees-possibly-biggest country hit of the year as a way to prove you stand for everyone. I hope I'm wrong but she hasn't had a #1 hit on her own in like 5 years, let alone a multi week #1. And she ain't getting any younger, ask country radio what they think about that.
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Post by chanman on Oct 16, 2021 18:25:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry I'm late to this song. Not much of country music listener but this is a fantastic song to showcase both artistes.
I actually think this year the genre is growing on me abit. Hey.. ya'll may think the Walker Hayes song is trash...but I can vibe to it, thumbs up from me to this dude
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 16, 2021 18:30:23 GMT -5
:looks left, looks right: Did… “Southbound” not go #1? Was that not…a solo hit? And was that not…*does some mental math*…2 years ago? Didn’t realize 2 years = 5 in Pulse world, but the more you know, I guess.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 16, 2021 18:32:05 GMT -5
I hope Carrie Underwood releases a single next year that tops the chart for seven weeks, becoming her biggest hit chart-wise (seeing since Jesus, Take The Wheel ruled the roost for six weeks in 2006). Look at Reba McEntire. She scored her biggest hit 35 years into her career with Consider Me Gone in 2010 (four weeks at the top), so anything is possible.
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Post by daddy on Oct 16, 2021 18:38:17 GMT -5
To dislike Carrie is such a bad vibe.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 16, 2021 18:47:51 GMT -5
:looks left, looks right: Did… “Southbound” not go #1? Was that not…a solo hit? And was that not…*does some mental math*…2 years ago? Didn’t realize 2 years = 5 in Pulse world, but the more you know, I guess. It did hit #1 but was a Mediabase only #1. Her last Billboard #1 was "Church Bells" which might be what the poster was referencing if I had to guess.
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Post by meuirmao on Oct 16, 2021 18:49:22 GMT -5
:looks left, looks right: Did… “Southbound” not go #1? Was that not…a solo hit? And was that not…*does some mental math*…2 years ago? Didn’t realize 2 years = 5 in Pulse world, but the more you know, I guess. Ah yes southbound, one of her highest peaking recent hits which only got to a solid #3 on Billboard Country Airplay. The billboard country airplay chart is the one I was talking about and its the same chart Carrie fans are hoping she reaches #1 in after not being able to in the correct timeline I stated.
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Post by raylatch98 on Oct 16, 2021 18:52:24 GMT -5
To dislike Carrie is such a bad vibe. People are free to like and dislike whomever. Carrie Underwood isn't immune from that as well and there's nothing wrong with disliking her, she's not perfect just like no one else in the world is.
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Post by matty005 on Oct 16, 2021 18:56:54 GMT -5
To dislike Carrie is such a bad vibe. Sounds like the poster you're talking about actually likes Carrie, but is speaking some not so great POSSIBLE realities. I don't agree with them 100%, but them stating the facts that radio hits for women of a certain age are hard to come by is not disliking someone. It's sadly the truth. I actually think Carrie will have no problem getting hits for a few more years (#1's aren't a guarantee only because you never know what could block it, etc). And even if she doesn't, her legacy is secure. She will be releasing hit albums, selling out huge tours and still being a mainstay in the country music scene whether or not she has multiple week #1's. In my opinion though, not being able to take any criticism about your favorite artist is a bad vibe.
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Post by bdrm87 on Oct 17, 2021 4:39:06 GMT -5
I absolutely get the negative sentiment towards the blatant chart manipulation, and I agree that it’s pretty ridiculous and that songs should hit their natural peak and then everyone moves on. But the fact is that it’s existed for years now, and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future, so I’m having trouble understanding why everyone is so up in arms about it in this particular case when it seems to be accepted as just how things go 99% of the time. If it was going to end with IIDLY being blocked out of #1 completely then I’d get it, but it’s not.
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