Billboard Hot 100: 08/21/2021

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 9, 2021 8:26:20 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Aug 9, 2021 7:54:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Because Drake has always had multiple songs in rotation at the same time while the Weeknd hasn't? It's also something Justin Bieber can pull off because his fans are used to supporting multiple singles at the same time. Abel's fanbase isn't used to that.

idk about that

I know. It's like people forgot that Abel had a big year in 2015. It was even bigger than Fetty's 2015.

[Enigma.]

Why people keep mentioning Fetty Wap in these threads every week? Is it a joke? I don't get it lol

[Limited Edition]

Aug 9, 2021 5:20:03 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

The Weeknd song is boring lol that’s why

It's less boring than Save Your Tears which is one of the biggest hits of the year

[thegreatdivine]

Aug 9, 2021 8:26:20 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Aug 9, 2021 7:54:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Because Drake has always had multiple songs in rotation at the same time while the Weeknd hasn't? It's also something Justin Bieber can pull off because his fans are used to supporting multiple singles at the same time. Abel's fanbase isn't used to that.

idk about that

So, he has done it once? Compared to Drake and Justin Bieber who have been pushing multiple singles simultaneously for most of their careers? I never said he hadn't had two singles in rotation at the same time before. I said his fanbase isn't used to having to support multiple songs at the same time. 

[rainygirl]

Aug 9, 2021 9:19:25 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Aug 9, 2021 8:26:20 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

idk about that

So, he has done it once? Compared to Drake and Justin Bieber who have been pushing multiple singles simultaneously for most of their careers? I never said he hadn't had two singles in rotation at the same time before. I said his fanbase isn't

[/b]used to having to support multiple songs at the same time. [/quote]
great argument. Plus we all know the public is fickle and what works for one artist may not work for another. Few artists can saturate the charts and still do well for many years .. others will encounter some listener fatigue to some extent . It doesn’t mean their career is over… just fatigue. I love the guy but I wasn’t ready for another era from him

[thegreatdivine]

Aug 9, 2021 9:31:58 GMT -5 rainygirl said:

Aug 9, 2021 9:19:25 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

So, he has done it once? Compared to Drake and Justin Bieber who have been pushing multiple singles simultaneously for most of their careers? I never said he hadn't had two singles in rotation at the same time before. I said his fanbase isn't used to having to support multiple songs at the same time.

great argument. Plus we all know the public is fickle and what works for one artist may not work for another. Few artists can saturate the charts and still do well for many years .. others will encounter some listener fatigue to some extent . It doesn’t mean their career is over… just fatigue. I love the guy but I wasn’t ready for another era from him

Listener fatigue is definitely a real thing. Blinding Lights hasn't left radio since it's release. Save Your Tears has been on radio for over 7 months and You Right has been on radio for over a month. All 3 songs are still charting fairly high on the charts. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that people might just not be ready for yet another single by the Weeknd right now.

[mylo]

Poor guy probably just wants BL to die at this point.

[phieaglesfan712]

Aug 9, 2021 9:59:20 GMT -5 mylo said:

Poor guy probably just wants BL to die at this point.

Knowing radio, they’ll probably sacrifice SYT first before they let BL die.

But it’s not BL’s fault that the quality of the post-Sour albums have been subpar. Had any of those albums not flopped, BL would have gone recurrent by now.

[Limited Edition]

I said it when TMB was announced I would have waited another 3 months or even until 2022 to push another song/era

[korbel16]

I smell another number 1

[nathanalbright]

There are so many joke opportunities there, I'm trying to resist.

[iHype.]

Weeknd didn’t release “too early”. Rihanna, Ariana, Drake, etc have had eras intersect with each other. That’s pretty standard with top crossover artists in general.

Not every song is going to smash out the gate, it is what it is.

[nathanalbright]

I think people can be a bit too demanding about what a hit is supposed to be.

[Enigma.]

TMB is already under 1 million on Spotify. Might not even debut in top ten unless something extra effort occurs later on.

[LegendaryLover]

Can g4u take the Song of the Summer throne or is Butter too far ahead already?

[iamsorare]

Aug 9, 2021 12:19:48 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

TMB is already under 1 million on Spotify. Might not even debut in top ten unless something extra effort occurs later on.

a top 15 debut? post malone teas..

[iamsorare]

WAP 2.0 is coming..all the girls want to collab with cardi B..

[nathanalbright]

Isn't this 3.0 or 4.0 at this point? Wild Side exists, you know.

[atg]

Aug 9, 2021 11:52:01 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Weeknd didn’t release “too early”. Rihanna, Ariana, Drake, etc have had eras intersect with each other. That’s pretty standard with top crossover artists in general.

Not every song is going to smash out the gate, it is what it is.

Someone did say Take My Breath was dropped early so the media and GP can take their eyes off BL and SYT so that The Dawn would shine without any problems. When Heartless dropped, it was about 4 months until we got AH. I don’t know if 16 weeks would be short enough for both songs to naturally fall off, but people would probably be dying to get new material.

If TMB does underperform, Abel can always do the Focus-Dangerous Woman method and he’ll probably be fine in the long run.

[phieaglesfan712]

I’m pretty sure SYT won’t have a gentle fall like BL. I will be surprised if SYT is still in the Top 25 come Halloween.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Aug 9, 2021 12:19:48 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

TMB is already under 1 million on Spotify. Might not even debut in top ten unless something extra effort occurs later on.

No its definitely debuting in the Top 10 lol. Unless it completely collapses, Top 10 is locked

[85la]

Aug 9, 2021 11:52:01 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Weeknd didn’t release “too early”. Rihanna, Ariana, Drake, etc have had eras intersect with each other. That’s pretty standard with top crossover artists in general.

Not every song is going to smash out the gate, it is what it is.

Yes, but as was said earlier, this is not the case with all artists, every artist's success and fan interaction is different, and for the Weeknd IN GENERAL, overexposure and charting multiple songs highly at once does not seem to work for him.

Yes, every song isn't going to smash out the gate, and this will be a problem for him, since they seemed set to launch a massive new era with this. We have 3 solid days of data now, and with only a mildly solid opening day, it has decreased even more with each day, so this will be an uphill battle for him. It's not completely lost for him though. Despite releasing too soon, I think the best thing for him to do is just wait a bit with this, it just might take a while for it to catch on and for BL and SYT to die down more, and wait at least until November to release the album. I actually wouldn't scrape the song or try to pull a "Moonlight - Dangerous Woman" because that would look really bad, and it actually is a really good song and getting a lot of positive press/critic reaction that would be hard to top and recreate.

[code]

The wild side rollout was such a disaster it was almost impressive

[nathanalbright]

I think it's hilarious to see people saying that Abel hasn't been able to handle multiple charting songs simultaneously when this has been a pattern throughout his career as a whole so far. Whether one looks at his ep-bomb during the My Dear Melancholy era or the way that he pushed Heartless and BL simultaneously, then BL and In Your Eyes, then BL and SYT, to The Hills and Can't Feel My Face, this is not exactly a new thing for him.

[iHype.]

Aug 9, 2021 14:17:50 GMT -5 85la said:

Aug 9, 2021 11:52:01 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Weeknd didn’t release “too early”. Rihanna, Ariana, Drake, etc have had eras intersect with each other. That’s pretty standard with top crossover artists in general.

Not every song is going to smash out the gate, it is what it is.

Yes, but as was said earlier, this is not the case with all artists, every artist's success and fan interaction is different, and for the Weeknd IN GENERAL, overexposure and charting multiple songs highly at once does not seem to work for him.

Yes, every song isn't going to smash out the gate, and this will be a problem for him, since they seemed set to launch a massive new era with this. We have 3 solid days of data now, and with only a mildly solid opening day, it has decreased even more with each day, so this will be an uphill battle for him. It's not completely lost for him though. Despite releasing too soon, I think the best thing for him to do is just wait a bit with this, it just might take a while for it to catch on and for BL and SYT to die down more, and wait at least until November to release the album. I actually wouldn't scrape the song or try to pull a "Moonlight - Dangerous Woman" because that would look really bad, and it actually is a really good song and getting a lot of positive press/critic reaction that would be hard to top and recreate.

Blinding Lights is #36 on Spotify & #80 on Apple Music.
Save Your Tears is #26 on Spotify & #66 on Apple Music.

How exactly is he charting too many songs highly at once as an excuse for the weak streaming start?… He doesn’t even have 2 songs top 20 on Spotify.

Basically every single hit maker of today from Bieber/Olivia/Post/Cardi/Drake/Ariana/etc can have multiple big hits at once. I really don’t understand how you somehow think Weeknd is some special case with a group of fans that refuse to listen to multiple songs by him (especially when it’s already been pointed out he literally has had multiple hits at once before)…

Take My Breath sounds too similar to his last hits is honestly what is probably making it not stand out on first listen. Blinding Lights, In Your Eyes, and Save Your Tears were all consecutive 80s synth pop sounding singles. He followed it up with a lead single that is yet again the same thing. At some point is gets skippable.

[kcdawg13]

I think Abel is also a victim of releasing in such a busy time, maybe he should've waited a few more months since A listers are dropping every other Friday now, it will be no time before Drake drops that long belated album

[nathanalbright]

If Drake keeps CLB waiting for too much longer people will be making jokes like they do about Kanye's delays.

Edit:  I also wanted to comment on something the above poster said.  A-listers are regularly releasing music but the general public seems quite content to continue enjoy old songs rather than seeking out new ones if the charts are any indication.  I wonder what will cause this to change.

[iamsorare]

Aug 9, 2021 16:04:46 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

I think Abel is also a victim of releasing in such a busy time, maybe he should've waited a few more months since A listers are dropping every other Friday now, it will be no time before Drake drops that long belated album

so many silly excuses.if a female pop girl had the low numbers of 'take my breath' everyone here would drag her with no excuses..weeknd's release was perfect this week..kanye didn't drop his album,drake didn't release yet..it's an easy week and he has radio payola and also Spotify's TTH high playlist.he's 'fighting' for a top 15/top 10 debut.not good for him

[kcdawg13]

Aug 9, 2021 16:12:57 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

Aug 9, 2021 16:04:46 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

I think Abel is also a victim of releasing in such a busy time, maybe he should've waited a few more months since A listers are dropping every other Friday now, it will be no time before Drake drops that long belated album

so many silly excuses.if a female pop girl did the numbers of 'take my breath' everyone here would drag her..weeknd release this week was perfect..kanye didn't drop his album,drake didn't release yet..

Wow you really hate The Weeknd, the only people going after pop girls for doing lower numbers are deluded Twitter stans and anxious chart watchers that use the Hot 100 threads as artist discussion threads and cried about BL flopping after falling to #52 in it's second week.

Songs stabilize, again BL took a couple months to hit big. Look at the BL thread, everybody was calling it a flop a week after it debuted. Then it became the biggest song of all time. Let TYB have a few weeks to build radio, stabilize on streaming and then we can talk about it being a flop. There's no reason during the first week for any song we should be calling it a flop, the track hasn't had any time to grow yet. 

[iamsorare]

Aug 9, 2021 16:18:02 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Aug 9, 2021 16:12:57 GMT -5 iamsorare said:

so many silly excuses.if a female pop girl did the numbers of 'take my breath' everyone here would drag her..weeknd release this week was perfect..kanye didn't drop his album,drake didn't release yet..

Wow you really hate The Weeknd, the only people going after pop girls for doing lower numbers are deluded Twitter stans and anxious chart watchers that use the Hot 100 threads as artist discussion threads and cried about BL flopping after falling to #52 in it's second week.

Songs stabilize, again BL took a couple months to hit big. Look at the BL thread, everybody was calling it a flop a week after it debuted. Then it became the biggest song of all time. Let TYB have a few weeks to build radio, stabilize on streaming and then we can talk about it being a flop. There's no reason during the first week for any song we should be calling it a flop, the track hasn't had any time to grow yet. 

I said it again yesterday, blinding lights wasn't an official single when it was released..it became an official single many weeks later.if you want to compare take my breath then compare it with heartless or call out my name or starboy!