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Post by iHype. on Oct 22, 2021 16:07:40 GMT -5
As for Erotica, that is kind of surprising it debuted at #5 in Rhythmic and only #23 in Pop, yet #2 in overall Hot Airplay. I'm guessing this is because Hot 100 Airplay included some additional play from stations not on those charts and was audience based, and the genre charts were spin based (as it is now), so the rankings might have varied a little, and the tracking periods were probably slightly different as well. It's funny at first I wouldn't be as surprised at Madonna reaching #5 in Rhythmic because I always thought that format was more pop-oriented during the 90s than it is now (with Celine Dion reaching the top 5 occasionally of all people), but maybe that was more in the late 90s. The overall airplay only included airplay from the stations they monitored electronically (same for Pop/Rhythmic). However for Hot 100 tabulations they then included small market stations that still sent in playlists and weren't monitored electronically on the airplay charts. Kind of weird/confusing they included stations on Hot 100 tabulations but not in their airplay chart tabulations, but I'm guessing they used small market data mainly for when songs were close in points. But yes, you are right regarding the individual Top 40 Mainstream & Top 40 Rhythm charts being spin based, while the overall chart combining them was instead audience based (creating discrepancies like "Erotica" being #2 overall, while lower than the #3 overall on both format's individual charts). However it's kind of clear "Erotica" kinda came at a very dead and uncompetitive period on the radio chart, and thus was able sneak up to that #2 debut. "End of the Road" was a huge crossover performing similar on both formats, while the rest of the overall radio top 5 each had 10+ position differences between the two formats. #1: End of the Road Top 40 Mainstream - #2 Top 40 Rhythmic - #1 #2: Erotica Top 40 Mainstream - #23 Top 40 Rhythm - #5 #3: I'd Die Without You Top 40 Mainstream - #14 Top 50 Rhythm - #2 #4: Baby-Baby-Baby Top 40 Mainstream - #18 Top 40 Rhythm - #6 #5: Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough Top 40 Mainstream - #1 Top 40 Rhythm - N/A Top 40 Mainstream & Top 40 Rhythm were pretty notably different at that point. Top 40 Rhythm definitely looked more Urban identical than probably any other period.
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Post by nathanalbright on Oct 22, 2021 18:07:51 GMT -5
I'm a bit puzzled as to how Erotica ended up above I'd Die Without You while being behind in both component charts. They did PM Dawn dirty.
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Post by Clode on Oct 22, 2021 18:26:19 GMT -5
I'm a bit puzzled as to how Erotica ended up above I'd Die Without You while being behind in both component charts. They did PM Dawn dirty. The only reason that "Erotica" ended up above "I'd Die Without You" was because it had more audience, Had the Hot 100 Airplay chart been based on overall spins "Erotica" would have obviously not even debuted in the Top 10 that week.
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Post by nathanalbright on Oct 22, 2021 18:34:34 GMT -5
It's hard to think of a more blatant case of astroturfing when it comes to radio, it ranks right up there with Yummy.
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Post by leoapp on Oct 22, 2021 19:26:42 GMT -5
Hot 100 Airplay top 10 debut:
Black or White - Michael Jackson - #10 I’ll Be There - Mariah Carey - #4 Erotica - Madonna - #2 That’s The Way Love Goes - Janet Jackson - #4 Fantasy - Mariah Carey - #8 All for You - Janet Jackson - #9 Born This Way - Lady Gaga - #8 Easy On Me - Adele - #4
Can you believe, the only male to do it was MJ???
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Post by nathanalbright on Oct 22, 2021 19:45:35 GMT -5
Would you not think that this sort of phenomenon is generally the sort of way that pop princesses are pushed?
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Post by Choco on Oct 22, 2021 20:08:15 GMT -5
The Hot 100 is way too big for anyone to take on. The RS chart was never a good idea.
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 22, 2021 20:26:55 GMT -5
it was nice to see where the most consumer driven activity was
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 22, 2021 21:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 22, 2021 22:29:31 GMT -5
I thought some ppl said army was trying to extra mass buy MU this week just for the sake of it.
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Post by andrebra on Oct 22, 2021 22:56:45 GMT -5
Break that tie Dua!
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Oct 22, 2021 23:04:14 GMT -5
As for Erotica, that is kind of surprising it debuted at #5 in Rhythmic and only #23 in Pop, yet #2 in overall Hot Airplay. I'm guessing this is because Hot 100 Airplay included some additional play from stations not on those charts and was audience based, and the genre charts were spin based (as it is now), so the rankings might have varied a little, and the tracking periods were probably slightly different as well. It's funny at first I wouldn't be as surprised at Madonna reaching #5 in Rhythmic because I always thought that format was more pop-oriented during the 90s than it is now (with Celine Dion reaching the top 5 occasionally of all people), but maybe that was more in the late 90s. The overall airplay only included airplay from the stations they monitored electronically (same for Pop/Rhythmic). However for Hot 100 tabulations they then included small market stations that still sent in playlists and weren't monitored electronically on the airplay charts. Kind of weird/confusing they included stations on Hot 100 tabulations but not in their airplay chart tabulations, but I'm guessing they used small market data mainly for when songs were close in points. But yes, you are right regarding the individual Top 40 Mainstream & Top 40 Rhythm charts being spin based, while the overall chart combining them was instead audience based (creating discrepancies like "Erotica" being #2 overall, while lower than the #3 overall on both format's individual charts). However it's kind of clear "Erotica" kinda came at a very dead and uncompetitive period on the radio chart, and thus was able sneak up to that #2 debut. "End of the Road" was a huge crossover performing similar on both formats, while the rest of the overall radio top 5 each had 10+ position differences between the two formats. #1: End of the Road Top 40 Mainstream - #2 Top 40 Rhythmic - #1 #2: Erotica Top 40 Mainstream - #23 Top 40 Rhythm - #5 #3: I'd Die Without You Top 40 Mainstream - #14 Top 50 Rhythm - #2 #4: Baby-Baby-Baby Top 40 Mainstream - #18 Top 40 Rhythm - #6 #5: Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough Top 40 Mainstream - #1 Top 40 Rhythm - N/A Top 40 Mainstream & Top 40 Rhythm were pretty notably different at that point. Top 40 Rhythm definitely looked more Urban identical than probably any other period. I'm a bit confused: can you explain what it meant to be audience based rather than spins based?
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Post by iHype. on Oct 22, 2021 23:18:23 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused: can you explain what it meant to be audience based rather than spins based? If a radio chart is based on spins, then it's based on the number under TW. The total amount of times a song has been played on the format by the stations that contribute. If a radio chart is based on audience, then it's based on the number under Aud. The total estimated audience impressions a song has received (every station has an estimated percentage of a population that is assigned as listening to it daily, based on surveys/research. If research has estimated 3% of people in a major city, equating to a random number like 70K, listen to a said station during 2:00 pm on Monday, then a song played that hour gets 70K audience added to its number). Billboard's overall chart is based on audience, which is why you always see audience numbers used when referring to overall. Billboard's Pop/Top 40 chart has always been based on spins, which is why you see songs ranked based on spins even if they have a higher audience than a song above them. Going by spins tends to help smaller markets get better representation on radio charts (there's multiple more small cities for every major city). Going by audience tends to help major markets get better representation on radio charts (more people live in NYC than 15~ random cities in the midwest combined, so a station in NYC will have more audience contributing than 15~ stations in small markets). It's like with house of representatives (favoring big populated states by assigning power based on population) and senate (favoring small populated states by assigning power equally).
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Post by atg on Oct 22, 2021 23:57:43 GMT -5
Where would Adele be on the YE just on this week alone? Is she even anywhere near it?
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Post by inverse on Oct 23, 2021 0:02:19 GMT -5
#5: Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough Top 40 Mainstream - #1 Top 40 Rhythm - N/A just gotta say this song is an eternally underrated banger! Fave hit of 1992 not counting the one that made a previous year end list
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Post by nathanalbright on Oct 23, 2021 0:55:06 GMT -5
Where would Adele be on the YE just on this week alone? Is she even anywhere near it? No, but she's probably close to half of the YE from just these two weeks. With 70 points this week she should be at at least 75-78 total, needing 160 points to make the YE. We'll see how the next couple of weeks or so go, though. If she makes more than 70 points, she would obviously be closer to the YE.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 23, 2021 20:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 23, 2021 20:59:19 GMT -5
In the weekly YouTube US Music Video chart, Easy on Me rose 11-1 with 11.2 million views, Pissed Me Off debuted at #3, Lets Go Brandon at #6 and Free Ric at #10. The music videos for older Adele songs debut on the chart: Hello at #45, Someone Like You at #62, Rolling in the Deep at #80. The official video for Traitor debuted at #63.
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 23, 2021 21:13:36 GMT -5
ew, winston is predicting 47k sales for that maga song.
ig people were inspired by that other maga guy who seems to be releasing song after song this year, but has managed to top sales only once, in one of the good side effects of army mass buying.
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Post by gikem on Oct 23, 2021 21:30:07 GMT -5
If Ashres' predictions hold true, that is a wild group of debuts outside of the Young Thug album bomb. A Coldplay-Selena Gomez collab, LISA's much better B-side single, returns from Wale and Summer Walker, a pop-EDM collab that dropped last month and yet is debuting rather high thanks to TikTok virality, a MAGA-head rapper, and another Lil Durk song.
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Post by algo on Oct 23, 2021 21:36:29 GMT -5
better days does not feel like a real song. i've never heard anyone outside of pulse talk about it, i've never heard it outside of my own listening, i haven't even come across anyone using it as an audio on tiktok. its a pop-edm collab by two randos and a b-list rapper thats been sitting in the top ten on spotify and yet it doesn't seem to exist anywhere else
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Oct 23, 2021 21:46:53 GMT -5
yes, get that top 10 place "Need To Know"! also, it's really time for "Levitating" to go (from the top 10 at least).
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Oct 23, 2021 21:58:14 GMT -5
What tf is Let's Go Brandon?
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Post by inverse on Oct 23, 2021 22:00:40 GMT -5
If Ashres' predictions hold true, that is a wild group of debuts outside of the Young Thug album bomb. A Coldplay-Selena Gomez collab, LISA's much better B-side single, returns from Wale and Summer Walker, a pop-EDM collab that dropped last month and yet is debuting rather high thanks to TikTok virality , a MAGA-head rapper, and another Lil Durk song. really theres another one?? is that what the Brandon thing is
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Post by gikem on Oct 23, 2021 22:02:21 GMT -5
If Ashres' predictions hold true, that is a wild group of debuts outside of the Young Thug album bomb. A Coldplay-Selena Gomez collab, LISA's much better B-side single, returns from Wale and Summer Walker, a pop-EDM collab that dropped last month and yet is debuting rather high thanks to TikTok virality , a MAGA-head rapper, and another Lil Durk song. really theres another one?? is that what the Brandon thing is Yep. At least Adele will prevent it from being the sales #1 this week...
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Oct 23, 2021 22:08:22 GMT -5
This includes what the origins of the song were:
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Post by inverse on Oct 23, 2021 22:27:04 GMT -5
Holy shit I'm looking up the lyrics of this thing and it might be the worst rap song in terms of technical construction to ever exists. At least Tom MacDonald can sometimes get that right!
He rhymes CHINA with BODY! how do you fuck up a rhyme with china harder than nicki minaj I don't know but he did it!
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Post by nathanalbright on Oct 23, 2021 23:20:45 GMT -5
"I wish I didn't have to rhyme every time I sang."
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Oct 23, 2021 23:26:21 GMT -5
Gotta say after dreading but finally listening to it...I didn't hate Let's Go Brandon. Like yeah it's stupid and distasteful but at least it's having some fun and it's not the overly serious and melodramatic yet equally stupid keyboard warrior schtick from Aaron Lewis or Tom MacDonald
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Post by fridayteenage on Oct 24, 2021 0:45:08 GMT -5
Hello vs. Easy, based on winston/ashres 1112k sales, 90-93k (-92%) 62 mil streams, 54-56 mil (-11%) (first full week) 70 mil airplay, 68-69 mil (-2%)
Sales drop isn't surprising.
But Hello had 235% of the highest streaming week before her in 2015. Easy has about 72% of the highest streaming week this year. So given the relative streaming atmospheres, it's around 31% as successful (72/235).
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