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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Nov 3, 2021 14:02:47 GMT -5
yeah didn't this happen last November too lol Yes, but the point is the song is ahead of where it was at this same point last year (and every other year). Even if it slides back for a bit, it's already doing extremely well. In general we're seeing all of the holidays get bigger each year; or at least seeing that data is catching up to it. I also think in the midst of Covid and such, people just need various holidays as a mental boost. If that’s the case, then why didn’t Halloween songs get a boost in 2019 and 2020?
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Post by iHype. on Nov 3, 2021 14:08:39 GMT -5
Yes, but the point is the song is ahead of where it was at this same point last year (and every other year). Even if it slides back for a bit, it's already doing extremely well. In general we're seeing all of the holidays get bigger each year; or at least seeing that data is catching up to it. I also think in the midst of Covid and such, people just need various holidays as a mental boost. If that’s the case, then why didn’t Halloween songs get a boost in 2019 and 2020? They did. Various songs went top 10 on iTunes and charted decently on Spotify/Apple. As he already said, the boosts just get bigger all around every single year.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Nov 3, 2021 14:13:56 GMT -5
the fact that Heat Waves is STILL gaining popularity is amazing
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Nov 3, 2021 14:18:01 GMT -5
If that’s the case, then why didn’t Halloween songs get a boost in 2019 and 2020? They did. Various songs went top 10 on iTunes and charted decently on Spotify/Apple. As he already said, the boosts just get bigger all around every single year. The 2019 and 2020 numbers for Halloween weren’t much greater than 2013-15 numbers. In fact, Thriller’s peak in 2019 was lower than 2013 (Halloween fell on a Thursday both years), and the 2020 peak was lower than 2015 (Halloween fell on a Saturday both years). Not to mention, the competition was weaker in 19 and 20 than it was 13-15.
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Post by kindofbiased on Nov 3, 2021 14:37:22 GMT -5
I think part of why Halloween music was so much bigger this year compared to last year was the combination of still being in the pandemic and needing the holidays as comfort but also things being good enough that Halloween could actually happen this year in a way it rlly couldnt in 2020
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Post by Choco on Nov 3, 2021 14:52:49 GMT -5
I actually think the pandemic thing is part of the reason but mostly because we're more or less trending back to "normality" and there were a lot more parties this year. At least in my country it felt like everyone went partying last weekend.
Whether that sense of "normality" will come back to bite people in the ass in the next 10 to 14 days is... another topic.
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Post by iHype. on Nov 3, 2021 15:38:10 GMT -5
They did. Various songs went top 10 on iTunes and charted decently on Spotify/Apple. As he already said, the boosts just get bigger all around every single year. The 2019 and 2020 numbers for Halloween weren’t much greater than 2013-15 numbers. In fact, Thriller’s peak in 2019 was lower than 2013 (Halloween fell on a Thursday both years), and the 2020 peak was lower than 2015 (Halloween fell on a Saturday both years). Not to mention, the competition was weaker in 19 and 20 than it was 13-15. 2020 Halloween week - album bomb by Ariana Grande 2019 Halloween week - album bombs by Kanye West, Post Malone Obviously if Halloween happens to be during the same tracking week with an album that lands 10~ songs top 50, then the songs will likely chart worse that year. That doesn’t mean they are doing worse stats though. 2013 and 2015 had no album bombs. Halloween songs factually did better every year going off their individual stats. US Spotify, Halloween 2015: 50. Ghostbusters, 223K streams 53. This Is Halloween, 214K streams 55. Thriller, 200K streams 68. Monster Mash, 174K streams US Spotify, Halloween 2019: 13. Monster Mash, 824K streams 15. Thriller, 800K streams 17. Ghostbusters, 795K streams 28. This Is Halloween, 688K streams 49. Somebody’s Watching Me, 505K streams US Spotify, Halloween 2020: 5. Monster Mash, 1.257 million streams 9. Thriller, 1.107 million streams 11. Ghostbusters, 1.076 million streams 28. This Is Halloween, 773K streams 34. Somebody’s Watching Me, 603K streams They are reaching new peaks on Spotify/Apple with higher numbers each year, and are charting better on iTunes also each year. They are objectively growing each year. If AIWFCIY reaches a new high in streams this year, but gets blocked by a new BTS debut on Hot 100 that doesn’t mean it decreased in popularity.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 3, 2021 16:52:03 GMT -5
Easy on Me back to #1 at iTunes. Time to start putting Let's Go Brandon to rest.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Nov 3, 2021 17:01:01 GMT -5
Easy on Me back to #1 at iTunes. Time to start putting Let's Go Brandon to rest. I think LGB got a little bump last night due to Election Day in the US, with the republicans winning the Virginia Governor race and outperforming expectations in the NJ Governor race.
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Post by atg on Nov 3, 2021 17:11:14 GMT -5
As atg pointed out earlier in the thread, it’s weird how Abel has had all these singles out the last 6 months and the only metric they’ve done well on is radio, while the only one that remains strong on all metrics is BL. Right now the only metric that he has is the radio. When SYT and You Right were at their peak it was a lot more balanced but it started to shift ever since TMB came out, and since then it’s the only thing keeping these songs alive. It’s amazing that he did have a better year charting hits compared to 2020 but its still obvious BL is still strong and overshadowing these songs a little. I’m gonna give this Post x Abel collab a chance. If it does well then hopefully it could break this curse of this underperforming Weeknd time frame. Moth does seem decent for now but it needs stronger legs to keep going.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 3, 2021 17:13:37 GMT -5
Adele is coming for blood.
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 3, 2021 17:20:32 GMT -5
Welp, Ed Sheeran wasn't playing when he said that Adele had monopolized global vinyl supplies for her cd.
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Post by iamsorare on Nov 3, 2021 18:43:13 GMT -5
I actually think the pandemic thing is part of the reason but mostly because we're more or less trending back to "normality" and there were a lot more parties this year. At least in my country it felt like everyone went partying last weekend. Whether that sense of "normality" will come back to bite people in the ass in the next 10 to 14 days is... another topic. omg stay safe at home,get vaccinated ,wear mask..omg a new wave is coming .aaaaah ..!! Ok let's get back on topic..we have more important things to say
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Post by iamsorare on Nov 3, 2021 18:44:28 GMT -5
Imagine if this actually happens on Monday lol
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 3, 2021 20:25:20 GMT -5
Which maniacs are playing AIWFCIY at the start of November?? I dont touch Christmas music until the 1st. WLIT (Chicago) one of the largest AC stations flipped to Xmas format today. 2020 Holiday - the highest share any stations has posted in the Chicago market since the 1970s. I wonder what other big stations flip this early.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Nov 3, 2021 22:56:39 GMT -5
Imagine if this actually happens on Monday lol If this prediction is correct and the #20 song only has 123 points, then BL re-entering is a real possibility. The last time BL charted was the 9/4 chart, which was 10 weeks ago. BL re-entering would not be unprecedented, as the 10-week gap would be about same gap between Uptown Funk falling off in Christmas 2015 and re-entering following Super Bowl 50 in February 2016.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 4, 2021 0:38:54 GMT -5
So some flop said Halloween songs didn't get a boost last year
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Post by mms82 on Nov 4, 2021 1:18:23 GMT -5
Would heat waves me the longest climb to the top 10 ever?
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Post by iHype. on Nov 4, 2021 1:22:34 GMT -5
I'm really not seeing how Bad Habits is being predicted to sell as high as 50K CDs at all... He also only had 3~ editions of the CD single for sale, it's not like Weeknd/Travis who would sell 20 different editions to inflate their sales and would still struggle to do 50k even then. ("Heartless" for example had over 30+ editions of CDs, cassettes, and vinyls and only did 43K~ from those first week) Ariana also sold 1 edition of a CD single with Positions and Bieber also did 1 edition of a CD single with Holy and I don't even think they sold 5k total. They have much more rabid fanbases in US. Most importantly, his webstore has been selling a cassette of Bad Habits since at least July and claims there is only 1,000 available for sale. Four+ months later they haven't even sold out on the cassette. usstore.edsheeran.com/music-1/bad-habits-hot-pink-cassette.html
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Post by jaffery on Nov 4, 2021 1:34:46 GMT -5
I'm really not seeing how Bad Habits is being predicted to sell as high as 50K CDs at all... He also only had 3~ editions of the CD single for sale, it's not like Weeknd/Travis who would sell 20 different editions to inflate their sales and would still struggle to do 50k even then. ("Heartless" for example had over 30+ editions of CDs, cassettes, and vinyls and only did 43K~ from those first week) Ariana also sold 1 edition of a CD single with Positions and Bieber also did 1 edition of a CD single with Holy and I don't even think they sold 5k total. They have much more rabid fanbases in US. Most importantly, his webstore has been selling a cassette of Bad Habits since at least July and claims there is only 1,000 available for sale. Four+ months later they haven't even sold out on the cassette. usstore.edsheeran.com/music-1/bad-habits-hot-pink-cassette.htmlBieber only did 30k sales with justice first week, Ed is doing 80k. He is clearly a bigger pure sales seller than every pop boy even in America. He has simply declined in streaming so much so that it doesn’t matter
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Post by iHype. on Nov 4, 2021 1:52:11 GMT -5
I'm really not seeing how Bad Habits is being predicted to sell as high as 50K CDs at all... He also only had 3~ editions of the CD single for sale, it's not like Weeknd/Travis who would sell 20 different editions to inflate their sales and would still struggle to do 50k even then. ("Heartless" for example had over 30+ editions of CDs, cassettes, and vinyls and only did 43K~ from those first week) Ariana also sold 1 edition of a CD single with Positions and Bieber also did 1 edition of a CD single with Holy and I don't even think they sold 5k total. They have much more rabid fanbases in US. Most importantly, his webstore has been selling a cassette of Bad Habits since at least July and claims there is only 1,000 available for sale. Four+ months later they haven't even sold out on the cassette. usstore.edsheeran.com/music-1/bad-habits-hot-pink-cassette.htmlBieber only did 30k sales with justice first week, Ed is doing 80k. He is clearly a bigger pure sales seller than every pop boy even in America. He has simply declined in streaming so much so that it doesn’t matter 80k is not some impressive amount, that actually makes his physical single prediction look more dubious. His ALBUM (available on CD, Vinyl, every digital store, in physical retailers) is doing only 80k, and yet he is able to shift 50k physical singles in 2021 from just his website? Bieber & Shawn’s “Monster” also had a CD single available throughout its chart run and that also sold negligible. There has been CD singles released since the new rules but they just haven’t sold much at all. His 1K supply of cassette also hasn’t even sold out after 4+ months so huh? They bought the CD in droves and completely ignored the cassette?
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Post by iHype. on Nov 4, 2021 1:58:57 GMT -5
Also you can literally go on Twitter and search “Bad Habits CD” and not a single person has even tweeted about receiving it the past week…
This thing about the a mass delivery of Bad Habits CDs almost seems like fake news lol. Did they actually send out orders this week or did someone incorrectly claim that and it just caught on?
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Post by iggyamo on Nov 4, 2021 2:58:27 GMT -5
Also you can literally go on Twitter and search “Bad Habits CD” and not a single person has even tweeted about receiving it the past week… This thing about the a mass delivery of Bad Habits CDs almost seems like fake news lol. Did they actually send out orders this week or did someone incorrectly claim that and it just caught on? I found one, but I also don’t think Ed has the type of Stan’s that would post that online, I think a better place to check would be Facebook due to his older audience if anywhere.
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Post by iamsorare on Nov 4, 2021 4:15:40 GMT -5
Also you can literally go on Twitter and search “Bad Habits CD” and not a single person has even tweeted about receiving it the past week… This thing about the a mass delivery of Bad Habits CDs almost seems like fake news lol. Did they actually send out orders this week or did someone incorrectly claim that and it just caught on? Overpass Graffiti is predicted to go #1 in UK cause of the CD copies.. if the usa CD sales for bad habits are as good as overpass graffiti UK sales then he can go #1 on hot 100
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 4, 2021 4:59:19 GMT -5
Overpass Graffiti is predicted to go #1 in UK cause of the CD copies.. if the usa CD sales for bad habits are as good as overpass graffiti UK sales then he can go #1 on hot 100 Not anymore, it was on Sunday though 50k in physical sales indeed seems weird when the album is doing only slightly more after all the pre-orders and stuff.
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Post by Limited Edition on Nov 4, 2021 5:46:08 GMT -5
The gap is huge! I was really seeing claims that Good 4 u is the biggest ww song of the year lol
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Post by GW on Nov 4, 2021 6:12:15 GMT -5
For a recurrent song to re-enter the Hot 100, it has to register significant gains within a tracking period. Uptown Funk had gains for an obvious reason. Non-holiday current hits return after the holidays for obvious reasons. A two year old song that has already peaked at #1 and charted for a million weeks is not going to re-enter just because it happens to have enough points. That would disregard the entire premise behind the recurrent rule. It’s not about points, unless the song is currently being promoted or sees a surge in activity for other reasons.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Nov 4, 2021 6:34:32 GMT -5
For a recurrent song to re-enter the Hot 100, it has to register significant gains within a tracking period. Uptown Funk had gains for an obvious reason. Non-holiday current hits return after the holidays for obvious reasons. A two year old song that has already peaked at #1 and charted for a million weeks is not going to re-enter just because it happens to have enough points. That would disregard the entire premise behind the recurrent rule. It’s not about points, unless the song is currently being promoted or sees a surge in activity for other reasons. BL’s surge in points these past 2 weeks could fall under Halloween, like Thriller and Monster Mash, both of which are almost certain to re-chart on the Hot 100 this week. The thing I don’t like is that Billboard doesn’t have a set rule on re-entries and does it on a case by case basis. That’s arbitrary and confusing. Billboard could go either way on BL and I wouldn’t be surprised one bit on whatever outcome.
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Post by GW on Nov 4, 2021 7:15:25 GMT -5
For a recurrent song to re-enter the Hot 100, it has to register significant gains within a tracking period. Uptown Funk had gains for an obvious reason. Non-holiday current hits return after the holidays for obvious reasons. A two year old song that has already peaked at #1 and charted for a million weeks is not going to re-enter just because it happens to have enough points. That would disregard the entire premise behind the recurrent rule. It’s not about points, unless the song is currently being promoted or sees a surge in activity for other reasons. BL’s surge in points these past 2 weeks could fall under Halloween, like Thriller and Monster Mash, both of which are almost certain to re-chart on the Hot 100 this week. The thing I don’t like is that Billboard doesn’t have a set rule on re-entries and does it on a case by case basis. That’s arbitrary and confusing. Billboard could go either way on BL and I wouldn’t be surprised one bit on whatever outcome. It's not arbitrary. You're just insufferable and annoying af. EDIT: Comparing Blinding Lights to Thriller and/or Monster Mash shows just how much you lack comprehension. It's not that they're "Halloween" songs that allows them to re-enter, it's that there is, and I repeat, SIGNIFICANT GAINS. Tell us more about how BL's "surge in points" is comparable to Thriller's last week.
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Post by Limited Edition on Nov 4, 2021 7:34:09 GMT -5
For a recurrent song to re-enter the Hot 100, it has to register significant gains within a tracking period. Uptown Funk had gains for an obvious reason. Non-holiday current hits return after the holidays for obvious reasons. A two year old song that has already peaked at #1 and charted for a million weeks is not going to re-enter just because it happens to have enough points. That would disregard the entire premise behind the recurrent rule. It’s not about points, unless the song is currently being promoted or sees a surge in activity for other reasons. Isn't this exactly the case with BL? BL has had significant gains within the tracking period. It doesn't just "happen" to have enough points. Sure it reached recurrent status only a while ago but it wouldn't surprise me one bit of they let it re-enter. Granted, I don't know if it has enough points for top 25 in the first place
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