Billboard Hot 100: 11/27/2021

[algo]

what's the longest consecutive run for an artist in hot 100 history? this is really impressive 

[mylo]

Drake with 7 something years iirc.

[jayhawk1117]

And to think not even 3 years ago people SWORE Taylor was done being THE popstar and killing the chart.... And look at us discussing if this 10 minute remix of an 11 year old song will debut at one.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 15, 2021 17:25:32 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

On iTunes, four versions of the exact same song:

1. All Too Well
2. All Too Well (clean album)
3. All Too Well (album with a message from Taylor)
4. All Too Well (clean album with a message from Taylor)

The 10 minute versions are album only on iTunes.

And then on her website you can buy the live version and the 10 minute version (clean and explicit).

Yeah they are gunning for #1, and I can't imagine they'd do this unless they knew all versions would count.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 15, 2021 17:50:06 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

And to think not even 3 years ago people SWORE Taylor was done being THE popstar and killing the chart.... And look at us discussing if this 10 minute remix of an 11 year old song will debut at one.

To be fair it's been awhile since she's been "the" pop star. Even this is all likely to last one week. When was her last real hit that remained in the pop culture conversation past its debut week?

[lazer]

The #TaylorSwiftisOverParty has aged pretty bad.

[thegreatdivine]

Nov 15, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -5 lazer said:

The #TaylorSwiftisOverParty has aged pretty bad.

Her albums will always do well but she's past the point of her singles smashing. All Too Well is doing as well as it's doing due to the 10-year hype that's been built up by both fans and the GP. Even with that, it won't be some sort of longstanding hit. It'll have a massive debut and then fall off shortly after that, the same way every Taylor single has done in the last 4-5 years.

[singingrulebritannia]

not Malone promoting the stupid-ass Bored Ape NFT shit within the first 20 seconds
is he trying to accelerate the coming of the Doomsday he's preparing for, or does he just accept any sponsorship he's offered without doing any research?

[Hefty Hanna]

Nov 15, 2021 17:25:32 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

On iTunes, four versions of the exact same song:


And then on her website you can buy the live version and the 10 minute version (clean and explicit).

Called it. 🤪

I will buy both for the cause tbh. I really would like to see this go #1.

[thegreatdivine]

I applaud the dedication. Probably more versions/remixes coming before the end of the tracking week on Thursday.

[firefox]

Nov 15, 2021 17:51:54 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 15, 2021 17:50:06 GMT -5 jayhawk1117 said:

And to think not even 3 years ago people SWORE Taylor was done being THE popstar and killing the chart.... And look at us discussing if this 10 minute remix of an 11 year old song will debut at one.

To be fair it's been awhile since she's been "the" pop star. Even this is all likely to last one week. When was her last real hit that remained in the pop culture conversation past its debut week?

Right now, Enchanted is smashing way way way way way past its debut week

[aussie1]

Yeah Taylor is #1 for sure, when she is close to #1 her/her team will pull out all the stops to ensure it gets there.

Adele back to #1 next week though.

What a blood bath these fews weeks will be; Summer Walker, Taylor, Adele and Christmas.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 15, 2021 18:36:19 GMT -5 firefox said:

Nov 15, 2021 17:51:54 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

To be fair it's been awhile since she's been "the" pop star. Even this is all likely to last one week. When was her last real hit that remained in the pop culture conversation past its debut week?

Right now, Enchanted is smashing way way way way way past its debut week

It's not even a top 10 hit. Plus, how long with this resurgence last?

[Taylor.]

Nov 15, 2021 18:33:21 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Probably more versions/remixes coming before the end of the tracking week on Thursday.

bring on the "unwell witch" remix, queen!

[Myth X]

I guess All Too Well will be another #1 that won't last 10 weeks on the Hot 100 because it won't have airplay

But at least her best song will be #1

[Hefty Hanna]

I don't really get the argument of Taylor no longer being the biggest pop star in the world. Smash radio singles or not, her continued success at this level is nearly unprecedented by any other female act other than maybe Madonna?

I by no means am saying Taylor has had even a fraction of that sort of cultural impact, but she's undeniably still massive and it's hard for me to think of another act that you'd say is "bigger" in terms of success and star power other than Adele. Ariana? Billie? Olivia? Would love to have the conversation, as I don't typically reside in the States so maybe I'm missing something.

[kimberly]

I don't know if it's possible for Taylor Swift to break Drake's record — RED (TV) might have 30 tracks on paper, but after "ATW" and "State of Grace" versions get combined, she's down to 28, which is the exact number she needs to break that record. From the looks of it, some of the tracks could very well miss the Hot 100, especially songs like "Ronan" and "Girl At Home" that weren't on the original standard issue of the RED album but have been out officially since 2012. Seems like people aren't necessarily checking for those songs as much as the new vault tracks and the Taylor's Version songs on the regular tracklist.

Regardless, RED (TV) is proving to be a much more successful launch than Fearless (TV), deservingly so. I'm really enjoying the 10-minute song despite feeling lukewarm about it when I first listened to it on Thursday. "All Too Well" is the best track in her discography and it packs a punch, so the 10-minute one felt a bit watered down initially. Now I can't get enough of the last couple minutes of it (starting with the "And I was never good at telling jokes but the punchline goes, 'I'll get older but your lovers stay my age'" line).

[jenglisbe]

Nov 15, 2021 19:00:39 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

I don't really get the argument of Taylor no longer being the biggest pop star in the world. Smash radio singles or not, her continued success at this level is nearly unprecedented by any other female act other than maybe Madonna?

I by no means am saying Taylor has had even a fraction of that sort of cultural impact, but she's undeniably still massive and it's hard for me to think of another act that you'd say is "bigger" in terms of success and star power other than Adele. Ariana? Billie? Olivia? Would love to have the conversation, as I don't typically reside in the States so maybe I'm missing something.

You're not wrong. I just think for a lot of people - myself being one of them - being a pop star involves having hits. That isn't to say other people can't see it differently, of course.

[lazer]

Nov 15, 2021 18:22:59 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Nov 15, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -5 lazer said:

The #TaylorSwiftisOverParty has aged pretty bad.

Her albums will always do well but she's past the point of her singles smashing. All Too Well is doing as well as it's doing due to the 10-year hype that's been built up by both fans and the GP. Even with that, it won't be some sort of longstanding hit. It'll have a massive debut and then fall off shortly after that, the same way every Taylor single has done in the last 4-5 years.

I do agree that ATW might be a one week thing but the people who supported the hashtag hoped for her downfall and irrelevance. I’m just saying that she is still doing well with her album releases.

[Choco]

I'll give you guys the Lover singles underperforming on radio but otherwise it's been a while since she actually tried. Her downloads and streams on the other hand are as healthy as ever.

Radio is fun to track and does give songs longevity and the like, but for example if you only listen to radio you might have missed the juggernaut R&B album that just launched to #1. It's hardly the only measure of success these days.

[lazer]

These songs from the next TV albums I predict will be streamed the most

Speak Now: Enchanted
1989: Style
Reputation: Getaway Car
Lover: Cruel Summer

[Choco]

Nov 15, 2021 19:38:08 GMT -5 lazer said:

These songs from the next TV albums I hope will be streamed the most

Speak Now: Enchanted
1989: New Romantics
Reputation: Getaway Car
Lover: Cruel Summer

Lover is not getting re-recorded.

I do hope Getaway Car gets the video it deserved.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 15, 2021 19:24:50 GMT -5 Choco said:

Her downloads and streams on the other hand are as healthy as ever.

Are they? Have recent singles stuck around for 2 or more months in sales and streaming?

[sheardbeard]

Interestingly, the live acoustic version of the “10 Minute Version” is now number 3 on iTunes but it clocks in at 9:30, allowing it to be a purchasable track and not “album only” like the studio version.

[Choco]

Nov 15, 2021 19:46:50 GMT -5 sheardbeard said:

Interestingly, the live acoustic version of the “10 Minute Version” is now number 3 on iTunes but it clocks in at 9:30, allowing it to be a purchasable track and not “album only” like the studio version.

To be fair, I love Taylor but the whole 10 minute is a marketing ploy. The outro is overlong as fuck and it was clearly stretched out to fit the hype of her comments from a decade ago about the first few versions of the song being that long.

They know between Adele and the lack of radio that this is bound to be a one-week wonder type of thing and are milking it I guess. It's a great outcome anyways. The highest track from Fearless was a pre-release single that topped out at #11, for comparison.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

#friday

[Choco]

Adele was an event that people wanted to see... I don't think the Grammys have felt as urgent and must-see since... the year 21 swept.

[Hefty Hanna]

Nov 15, 2021 19:39:06 GMT -5 Choco said:

Nov 15, 2021 19:38:08 GMT -5 lazer said:

These songs from the next TV albums I hope will be streamed the most

Speak Now: Enchanted
1989: New Romantics
Reputation: Getaway Car
Lover: Cruel Summer

Lover is not getting re-recorded.

I hope she re-records and re-releases 'Cruel Summer' with a video for the gag of it anyway. It's what we want.

[thegreatdivine]

Choco if there's one thing no one can EVER say about Taylor, it's saying she "doesn't try." This is a woman that's pushing the re-release of her older albums harder than most artists push new albums. She definitely pushed the singles off reputation and Lover as much and as hard as she could. The difference between how the singles from those eras and the singles from the 1989 era performed is that there was an actual demand and GP support for the 1989 singles. Radio definitely factors into why her singles don't serve as much longevity as before but it's more than that tbh. People just aren't interested in Taylor Swift's singles longterm anymore and it has nothing to do with her no longer being able to craft a hit. It's also most definitely not because she doesn't "try" anymore. cardigan and willow each got multiple remixes and a legitimate push to debut as high as possible. She's doing the exact same thing with All Too Well right now so you also can't say she doesn't care about scoring hits. She probably just knows she can't score organic hits anymore so she waits to see a song she drops that gets some traction and then she throws all her support behind that song to get the best debut possible and keeps it moving.

She focuses more on pushing her albums now because she knows that's always been her strong suit and that's really the only avenue in her music career she still has some legitimate support in (with the exception of touring).

Hefty Hanna as for the "Taylor no longer being the biggest pop star in the world" argument, she isn't and that's okay. You can't call yourself the biggest pop star in the world without the hits to back it up. They kinda go together. She moves a ton of album units every year thanks to her well-consumed catalog and a steady stream of new releases but that's where it ends. Whenever she drops a new album, everyone talks about it for that week but then it's back to regularly scheduled programming. There are other female acts dominating cultural conversations and they're newer, younger artists, naturally. That's simply what happens when you're someone who has been releasing music for as long as Taylor has and I doubt she cares about that anyways.

I say all of that to say, Taylor is fine. Her legacy is already established but it's still great to see her continue to remain successful as a musician. She's the biggest female artist in a music marketplace with only a handful of female artists actually seeing sizeable success in a mainstream space and she releases music a lot more frequently than any other mainstream female artist, especially over the last few years and that only further highlights her success so in that regard, yes, it's Taylor's world and we're all just living in it.

[atg]

Nov 15, 2021 18:56:44 GMT -5 Myth X said:

I guess All Too Well will be another #1 that won't last 10 weeks on the Hot 100 because it won't have airplay

But at least her best song will be #1

It could always stick around on streaming alone. The best example of this right now is Fair Trade which is around the 50-60 range when all it has is streaming that’s been fairly stable. If All Too Well gets all its versions combined and they’re all stable, then i could see it making 20 weeks minimum.