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Post by gikem on Dec 26, 2021 16:27:06 GMT -5
Great news for Spectrum Pulse, who recently announced that he tested positive for COVID and lost his voice in the process. He’ll be happy to learn that he now has an extra day to recover before making the next Billboard Breakdown episode. Hope he gets well soon. |
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Post by hughster1 on Dec 26, 2021 18:01:56 GMT -5
December 31, 196601 03 I'm a Believer - The Monkees (1st of 7 weeks at #1)02 07 Snoopy Vs. The Red Baron - The Royal Guardsmen 03 01 Winchester Cathedral - The New Vaudeville Band 04 04 That's Life - Frank Sinatra 05 06 Sugar Town - Nancy Sinatra 06 02 Mellow Yellow - Donovan 07 14 Tell It Like It Is - Aaron Neville 08 10 (I Know) I'm Losing You - The Temptations 09 09 A Place In The Sun - Stevie Wonder 10 27 Good Thing - Paul Revere & The Raiders 15 38 Standing In The Shadows Of Love - The Four Tops Kinda crazy that exactly 55 years after "Snoopy Vs. The Red Baron" hit number 2, two other "Peanuts"-linked songs - one of which also mentions characters in its title - may [finally] make their Hot 100 debut! |
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Post by Taylor. on Dec 26, 2021 18:29:29 GMT -5
certain users really telling us they don't have jobs huh
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Gary
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Post by Gary on Dec 26, 2021 18:30:01 GMT -5
Between 1963 and 2013 there were really strict charting rules for Christmas songs.
Year of release only and must have a physical single
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Post by colson on Dec 26, 2021 21:30:47 GMT -5
Why were those rules established in the first place?
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Post by Choco on Dec 26, 2021 21:47:40 GMT -5
It's not even a particularly interesting week so why are we in a rush to see Mariah and Xmas on top again? lol. Let the BB people take a day off.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 26, 2021 21:54:38 GMT -5
I thought all the calculating was just done by computers. I don't understand where any human involvement lies
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Post by Choco on Dec 26, 2021 21:55:58 GMT -5
I thought all the calculating was just done by computers. I don't understand where any human involvement lies Revision of the data, writing the articles, social media posts... |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 26, 2021 22:04:41 GMT -5
Gary- weren't holiday singles barred from charting, no matter old or new? Exceptions were made, of course (see "Do They Know It's Christmas?").
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Post by Gary on Dec 26, 2021 22:07:22 GMT -5
Gary- weren't holiday singles barred from charting, no matter old or new? Exceptions were made, of course (see "Do They Know It's Christmas?"). First year of release and prior to 1999. Needed a physical single |
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Post by Gary on Dec 26, 2021 22:22:25 GMT -5
A number of Christmas songs actually charted between 1963 and 2013.
The common factor was first year of release which was the rule until 2013.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 26, 2021 22:24:34 GMT -5
phieaglesfan712 actually made a reasonable point, There is honestly no logical reason that I can think of as to why Billboard has decided to delay their Charts, Even if we will still be in the Holiday season. This Monday will of course land on the 27th of December, Literally two days after Christmas. So this is just pointless. When a Holiday falls on a Saturday, some places of employment observe it on Monday, just saying. Correct. I work for the state of South Carolina, and we get Christmas day tomorrow (Monday) and then get the Day After as a holiday on Tuesday. So, technically we are automatically off Friday-Tuesday when you include Christmas Eve. I wish someone would try to tell me I need to work on those days so they could have a chart or something lmao! |
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Post by iHype. on Dec 27, 2021 4:55:51 GMT -5
A number of Christmas songs actually charted between 1963 and 2013. The common factor was first year of release which was the rule until 2013. AIWFCIY debuted in 2000 as an airplay only song |
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Post by Gary on Dec 27, 2021 8:46:20 GMT -5
A number of Christmas songs actually charted between 1963 and 2013. The common factor was first year of release which was the rule until 2013. AIWFCIY debuted in 2000 as an airplay only song But then went dark for 12 years after that. Christmas songs were only allowed to chart for one year |
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Post by rimetm on Dec 27, 2021 11:16:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that one's in a weird spot because with the 1999 chart year having just allowed airplay-only songs to chart, Billboard was being more lenient than usual about what was considered current to begin their runs. It just so happens that with All I Want for Christmas is You, its first few years had it still building groundswell, so holiday 1998 wasn't where it managed but instead holiday 1999, where it charted for one week at #83 on the chart dated January 8, 2000. Any further holiday seasons, including holiday 2000, had it treated as a recurrent (and even Hot 100 Recurrents didn't allow seasonal songs until the 2001 holiday season!), with no reprieve until the rule change in 2012.
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 27, 2021 12:33:57 GMT -5
phieaglesfan712 actually made a reasonable point, There is honestly no logical reason that I can think of as to why Billboard has decided to delay their Charts, Even if we will still be in the Holiday season. This Monday will of course land on the 27th of December, Literally two days after Christmas. So this is just pointless. When a Holiday falls on a Saturday, some places of employment observe it on Monday, just saying. I would like to chime in that this happens for the company I work for. I technically have a day off today for the Christmas day. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 27, 2021 12:37:30 GMT -5
^In my case, on the 24th we had a half day off by our country's law and the other half we had remote work for it. We'll probably have something similar for the 31st.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 27, 2021 13:40:29 GMT -5
I too had a day off today but I work from home so it doesn’t matter to me.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 14:02:20 GMT -5
Yeah, that one's in a weird spot because with the 1999 chart year having just allowed airplay-only songs to chart, Billboard was being more lenient than usual about what was considered current to begin their runs. It just so happens that with All I Want for Christmas is You, its first few years had it still building groundswell, so holiday 1998 wasn't where it managed but instead holiday 1999, where it charted for one week at #83 on the chart dated January 8, 2000. Any further holiday seasons, including holiday 2000, had it treated as a recurrent (and even Hot 100 Recurrents didn't allow seasonal songs until the 2001 holiday season!), with no reprieve until the rule change in 2012. What were the AC rules at that time? The week "AIWFCIY" finally charted on the Hot 100 represented Christmas week of 1999, so the 6th holiday season "AIWFCIY" was around. "AIWFCIY" was #62 on overall Hot 100 airplay, and it was #10 at AC radio. In terms of AC radio, it was the highest ranked holiday song. The others were "Feliz Navidad" (#12), "This Gift" (#14 and in its first season), and Gene Autry's "Rudolph" (#24). I know AC radio has gone even more to holiday music now than then, but it seems odd only 4 holiday songs were on the chart since older songs could apparently chart at that time. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 27, 2021 15:38:48 GMT -5
If only four holiday songs were new and had enough chart points to chart, how is that odd?
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 15:54:14 GMT -5
If only four holiday songs were new and had enough chart points to chart, how is that odd? I'm saying it's odd "FZ" and "Rudolph" had enough points to re-enter but not, say, "Rockin' Around" or one of the other classics. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 27, 2021 16:20:28 GMT -5
It would depend on whether those classics had charted before in bygone days and simply not counted as "new" given the 1963-1998 freeze.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 16:29:50 GMT -5
It would depend on whether those classics had charted before in bygone days and simply not counted as "new" given the 1963-1998 freeze. It shows "Feliz Navidad" and "Rudolph" as re-entering the chart, so they had charted before. |
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Post by jdanton2 on Dec 27, 2021 16:34:23 GMT -5
just saw this now while waiting the last few hours for the chart. |
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Post by Mayman on Dec 27, 2021 16:51:25 GMT -5
If only four holiday songs were new and had enough chart points to chart, how is that odd? I'm saying it's odd "FZ" and "Rudolph" had enough points to re-enter but not, say, "Rockin' Around" or one of the other classics. Wasn't it late 2000 when Mariah released the So So Def remix of AIWFCIY? Maybe that has something to do with it? |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 27, 2021 18:13:36 GMT -5
^That may have been combined with the original, though the featured acts were not credited on the chart. Funnily, the Top Pop Singles book erroneously noted the So So Def mix was the one that charted at the time.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 18:41:02 GMT -5
I'm saying it's odd "FZ" and "Rudolph" had enough points to re-enter but not, say, "Rockin' Around" or one of the other classics. Wasn't it late 2000 when Mariah released the So So Def remix of AIWFCIY? Maybe that has something to do with it? I can't imagine that version got AC play. Regardless it doesn't explain "FN" and "RTRNR" getting to re-enter. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Dec 27, 2021 18:47:33 GMT -5
Are there any articles at the time explaining what happened?
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Post by Caviar on Dec 27, 2021 19:01:50 GMT -5
It's 7pm but still no BB200 chart.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 27, 2021 19:31:22 GMT -5
It's 7pm but still no BB200 chart. It's up now, no surprise that 30 topped it again. |
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