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Post by leoapp on Dec 27, 2021 20:02:05 GMT -5
I always think that So So Def Remix helped AIWFCIY to finally chart on no.83 Hot 100 in early 2000. At least the remix probably gave some points. But the remix didnt get credit because the majority of points were from the original.
Because AIWFCIY didnt chart during holiday season in early 1999, despite airplay only rule had been started in December 1998.
Why it suddenly charted 1 year later?
Maybe because of growing airplay. But the remix probably really helped too.
Or was there some limited So So Def physical CD releases? Not sure
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 20:10:06 GMT -5
I always think that So So Def Remix helped AIWFCIY to finally chart on no.83 Hot 100 in early 2000. At least the remix probably gave some points. But the remix didnt get credit because the majority of points were from the original. Because AIWFCIY didnt chart during holiday season in early 1999, despite airplay only rule had been started in December 1998. Why it suddenly charted 1 year later? Maybe because of growing airplay. But the remix probably really helped too. Or was there some limited So So Def physical CD releases? Not sure It wasn't growing airplay, per se. As I already posted, "AIWFCIY" re-entered the AC chart that 1999 holiday season and was top 10. AC radio wasn't playing the remix. Additionally, "AIWFCIY" had re-entered both the Top 40 airplay chart and the AC chart several times during the 90s. "AIWFCIY" not making the Hot 100 for the 1998 season was probably just a matter of competition; plus probably a few more songs in 1998 had commercial singles (i.e. had sales points) than in 1999. The remix may have added a bit of airplay, but "AIWFCIY" had been getting good airplay every year since its release. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 27, 2021 20:13:27 GMT -5
The remix release fit the rule of the time. For chrustmas singles.
Chart eligibility first year of release only.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 20:21:13 GMT -5
The remix release fit the rule of the time. For chrustmas singles. Chart eligibility first year of release only. So, "AIWFCIY" wasn't eligible the previous year because there wasn't a remix? Are you claiming it was only the remix that charted in 2000? |
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Post by Gary on Dec 27, 2021 20:50:08 GMT -5
The remix release fit the rule of the time. For chrustmas singles. Chart eligibility first year of release only. So, "AIWFCIY" wasn't eligible the previous year because there wasn't a remix? Are you claiming it was only the remix that charted in 2000? "Claiming" sounds like I am making this up. I invite you to look it up and do the research yourself. The remix - brought the song to the charts - by rules at the time that fit the Christmas songs are only allowed to chart in the first year of release rule. The single was released therefore that was the first year. It didn't chart again for 12 years because it already used its one year of eligibility with that single. The song that charted though was the original because of the airplay. The fact that it showed up at all was because of the CD single. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 20:59:02 GMT -5
The remix - brought the song to the charts - by rules at the time that fit the Christmas songs are only allowed to chart in the first year of release rule. The single was released therefore that was the first year. The remix wasn't on any chart that I can find, so how did it get enough points to make the Hot 100? The official Hot 100 entry also doesn't credit Lil Bow Wow, who was on the remix. So, it doesn't appear to me there is any evidence to suggest the remix brought the song to the chart. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 27, 2021 21:08:00 GMT -5
The remix - brought the song to the charts - by rules at the time that fit the Christmas songs are only allowed to chart in the first year of release rule. The single was released therefore that was the first year. The remix wasn't on any chart that I can find, so how did it get enough points to make the Hot 100? The official Hot 100 entry also doesn't credit Lil Bow Wow, who was on the remix. So, it doesn't appear to me there is any evidence to suggest the remix brought the song to the chart. I said the single existed that is what brought it to the charts (Christmas songs had different rules at the time - singles in first year of release - which is why it did not chart the year before or anytime after) -- I did not say the remix itself charted. Do the research yourself or take my word for it or move on --- either way - not really a big enough topic to argue on. Have fun |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 21:45:43 GMT -5
The remix wasn't on any chart that I can find, so how did it get enough points to make the Hot 100? The official Hot 100 entry also doesn't credit Lil Bow Wow, who was on the remix. So, it doesn't appear to me there is any evidence to suggest the remix brought the song to the chart. I said the single existed that is what brought it to the charts (Christmas songs had different rules at the time - singles in first year of release - which is why it did not chart the year before or anytime after) -- I did not say the remix itself charted. Do the research yourself or take my word for it or move on --- either way - not really a big enough topic to argue on. Have fun So a new remix allowed an old original version to chart? Odd rule. None of this even answers my initial question, which was about the AC chart. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 27, 2021 22:13:56 GMT -5
Will try one more time.
The first ever single of this song was released late 1999. The release of the single allowed it to chart as a new Christmas single
Only new Christmas singles were allowed to chart at the time
Once it cleared that rule. The airplay it got of the original album track brought it to the Hot 100 for the first time.
No single the year before. It used its one year of eligibility so it did not chart after until the rule was lifted ten years later
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 27, 2021 22:17:49 GMT -5
Will try one more time. The first ever single of this song was released late 1999. The release of the single allowed it to chart as a new Christmas single Only new Christmas singles were allowed to chart at the time Once it cleared that rule. The airplay it got of the original album track brought it to the Hot 100 for the first time. No single the year before. It used its one year of eligibility so it did not chart after until the rule was lifted ten years later Thank you. That is a clear explanation about the Hot 100 rule and is good to know. As I've mentioned, though, my initial question was about the AC chart. I know it had different rules considering "AIWFCIY" re-entered the AC chart multiple times during the 1990s. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 27, 2021 23:43:38 GMT -5
It’s strange to be annoyed at people for not fully understanding what you’re saying when you give no context or information beyond a very base-level statement, as if you revel in knowing that everyone knows you obviously know more and have the information they’re asking about but you clearly want them to beg for it - and then you’re rude about it.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 27, 2021 23:48:43 GMT -5
tbh their conversation is boring
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Post by gikem on Dec 27, 2021 23:59:29 GMT -5
tbh their conversation is boring This is what happens on Pulse when Billboard decides to announce their charts a day later than usual. |
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Post by leoapp on Dec 28, 2021 1:28:55 GMT -5
Will try one more time. The first ever single of this song was released late 1999. The release of the single allowed it to chart as a new Christmas single Only new Christmas singles were allowed to chart at the time Once it cleared that rule. The airplay it got of the original album track brought it to the Hot 100 for the first time. No single the year before. It used its one year of eligibility so it did not chart after until the rule was lifted ten years later Thank you. That is a clear explanation about the Hot 100 rule and is good to know. As I've mentioned, though, my initial question was about the AC chart. I know it had different rules considering "AIWFCIY" re-entered the AC chart multiple times during the 1990s. So, in case.... back in late 1999/early 2000, AIWFCY WASN'T released officially with physical CD Single for sale (which included the So So Def Remix), even with massive airplay of the original version, AIWFCIY wasnt allowed to chart on Hot 100? |
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Dec 28, 2021 5:14:47 GMT -5
tbh their conversation is boring This is what happens on Pulse when Billboard decides to announce their charts a day later than usual. If Billboard just suddenly stopped giving us new charts... how long would it take for us to go crazy? |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 28, 2021 6:04:59 GMT -5
JukeboxJacob if that ever happens, certain people will complain and we'll mostly discuss it extensively but after that, we'll move on. There's always music-related topics to discuss that don't necessarily have to do with Billboard's charts. I only really see people complain about the charts being late because we've all grown accustomed to it being out at specific days/times during the week: Billboard 200 top 10 reveal on Sundays between 3-5PM ET. Billboard Hot 100 top 10 reveal on Mondays between 12-2 PM ET. Full updates on Tuesdays for every Billboard chart between 6-8AM ET. Whenever Billboard delays their charts beyond these set days/times, there'll be complaints, not just on here but on other music forums which keep track of Billboard's charts and even on Twitter between fans who chart-watch.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2021 8:55:20 GMT -5
Thank you. That is a clear explanation about the Hot 100 rule and is good to know. As I've mentioned, though, my initial question was about the AC chart. I know it had different rules considering "AIWFCIY" re-entered the AC chart multiple times during the 1990s. So, in case.... back in late 1999/early 2000, AIWFCY WASN'T released officially with physical CD Single for sale (which included the So So Def Remix), even with massive airplay of the original version, AIWFCIY wasnt allowed to chart on Hot 100? Gary is saying there was a physical release with the remix in 1999 that allowed "AIWFCIY" to be eligible for the Hot 100 as it was its first physical release. It then charted mainly off airplay of the original version. Personally I don't remember a physical release of the remix, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 9:09:02 GMT -5
The "All I Want For Christmas Is You 2000" CD single was only released in Japan, in December 2000 so that release would have no impact on the Hot 100. "All I Want For Christmas Is You" charted for the one and only time, until the rule change in 2012, in January 2000, so the remix also had nothing to do with it. The rule at the time only allowed it to chart once and then not again until the 2012 rule change. No idea why it charted in January 2000 and not January 1999 for the first time, but it peaked at #83 in January 2000 so two different chart years with different competition and slightly different airplay for the song could have been why it charted at #83 one year and only Bubbled Under the year before.
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Post by rimetm on Dec 28, 2021 9:27:32 GMT -5
One little additional piece of insight: the week prior to AIWFCIY's Hot 100 debut (dated January 1, 2000) was its debut on Bubbling Under Hot 100, at BU07. So, I think it legitimately was a case that its first few years (outside of potentially its debut in 1994, had it not been messed up by the physical release rule of the time) weren't quite big enough to chart and it grew by 2002 to become a proper staple.
As Jazzy said, the Single with the So So Def remix was not released in the US, and in fact the first proper commercially released single for the song there (since the first US release in 1994 was promotional for, I believe, radio outlets) was either all the way in 2009 (it's also labeled as promo) or even further out in 2015 (with a definitively commercial vinyl release) according to Discogs, who tend to be reliable with this sort of info.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2021 9:40:49 GMT -5
One little additional piece of insight: the week prior to AIWFCIY's Hot 100 debut (dated January 1, 2000) was its debut on Bubbling Under Hot 100, at BU07. So, I think it legitimately was a case that its first few years (outside of potentially its debut in 1994, had it not been messed up by the physical release rule of the time) weren't quite big enough to chart and it grew by 2002 to become a proper staple. Well, airplay-only singles weren't allowed to chart on the Hot 100 until late 1998, so that 1998 holiday season was the first year it would have been eligible. It did re-chart on Hot 100 Airplay a few times prior to that 1998 season; it made #35 on Hot 100 Airplay during the 1995 holiday season and then made #35 again during the 1996 holiday season. I don't know if that would have been enough to make the Hot 100 if eligible since it wouldn't have had any sales, but it had solid airplay throughout the 1990s. It makes sense it wouldn't have peaked as high once R&B and country radio was added in since it doesn't get much airplay on those foramts. But again, my initial question was about the AC chart lol. We know holiday music now dominates AC radio this time of year. Back in that chart for the 1999 season I mentioned, it seems like old songs were eligible since AIWFCIY, Feliz Navidad, and Rudolph all re-entered the chart, but then I wonder why Rockin' Around... and some others did not. In theory they may not have had enough airplay, but that seems curious too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 9:43:11 GMT -5
Christmas music did not have nearly the dominance it has now at AC radio prior to Christmas 2001. Most AC stations switched to "all Christmas" playlists that year in response to 9/11, and it's been that way ever since.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 28, 2021 9:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by rimetm on Dec 28, 2021 9:52:40 GMT -5
Looking at holiday 1998, where Autry's Rudolph barely re-entered at #30 and was the only oldie to make it, and holiday 1997, where you get this batch: 15 Please Come Home for Christmas 16 Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree 18 Feliz Navidad 22 Last Christmas 25 Jingle Bell Rock 26 White Christmas 30 A Holly Jolly Christmas and holiday 1996, which peaked with this: 16 The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas to You) 18 Jingle Bell Rock 21 All I Want for Christmas is You 23 Please Come Home for Christmas ...I think that's just emblematic of both how less in lockstep the AC stations were with their Christmas programming and how certain seasons were more competitive in terms of current-focused blocks/stations. As to when the AC charts allowed recurrents in the first place, it appears that rule change took effect in time for holiday 1995, where the chart dated January 6, 1996 has this happen (moves listed for context): 24 (+16). All I Want for Christmas is You 27 (NE). Please Come Home for Christmas 29 (NE). Wonderful Christmastime 32 (NE). Happy Xmas (War is Over) 34 (NE). Christmas Eve / Sarajevo 12/24 ...and after typing all this out, I see that in the meantime, Jazzy beat to the punch explaining it more succinctly. Well, at least here's some tasty data.  |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2021 9:55:12 GMT -5
Yeah for The Ronnettes! It's crazy they only have two top 10 hits. I thought "Baby I Love You" at least went top 10. Anyway, happy about "SR" getting there! Thanks, rimetm! :ETA: Lol now Billboard says Mariah ties Drake with five songs with 7 or more weeks at #1, so that was just a mistake last week. |
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Post by Groovy on Dec 28, 2021 10:12:38 GMT -5
I guess they deleted their Tweet with their top 10 banner just know the top 10 goes as follows
1. All I Want for Christmas Is You
2. Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree
3. Jingle Bell Rock
4. A Holly Jolly Christmas
5. Easy on Me
6. It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year
7. Last Christmas
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 28, 2021 10:19:16 GMT -5
12/28/2021 By Gary Trust
Carey's carol reigns for a seventh total week, while The Ronettes rank in the top 10 for the first time since "Be My Baby" in 1963, ending a record 58-year, two-month break from the bracket.
Mariah Carey‘s “All I Want for Christmas Is You” holds at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart. The carol, released in 1994, adds its seventh total week on top, after notching three weeks at No. 1 beginning in December 2019 and two more starting in December 2020, before it returned to the summit a week ago.
Notably, with this week’s Hot 100 dated Jan. 1, 2022, Carey’s “Christmas” is the first song to lead Hot 100 charts dated in four distinct years (2019, 2020, 2021 and 2022). (It was already the only song to reign in as many as three years.)
The song leads eight Yuletide favorites in the Hot 100’s top 10, including one in the tier for the first time: The Ronettes‘ “Sleigh Ride,” up from No. 13 to No. 10. The track was originally released in 1963, just after the group posted its lone top 10: its classic “Be My Baby,” which hit No. 2. The act’s return to the top 10 is record-breaking, as it ranks in the region after a break of 58 years and two months. The Hot 100 blends all-genre U.S. streaming (official audio and official video), radio airplay and sales data. All charts (dated Jan. 1) will update on Billboard.com Wednesday (Dec. 29). For all chart news, you can follow billboard and billboardcharts on both Twitter and Instagram.
Here’s a deeper look as Carey’s “Christmas” repeats at the Hot 100’s (north) pole position.
Streams, airplay & sales: Carey’s “Christmas,” on Columbia Records/Legacy Recordings, drew 47.5 million U.S. streams (up 26%) and 32 million radio airplay audience impressions (up 25%, good for top Airplay Gainer honors on the Hot 100) and sold 8,100 downloads (up 9%) in the Dec. 17-23 tracking week, according to MRC Data.
The song claims a 14th total week at No. 1 on the Streaming Songs chart and rises 7-6 on Digital Song Sales and 23-13 on Radio Songs. It also leads the multi-metric Holiday 100 chart for a 50th week, of the chart’s 55 total weeks since the list launched in 2011; it has topped the tally for 35 consecutive weeks, dating to the start of the 2015-16 holiday season, and dominates as the top title on the recently-revealed Greatest of All Time Holiday 100 Songs chart.
The song was first released on Carey’s album Merry Christmas in 1994 and has increased its Hot 100 fortunes in recent years as streaming has grown and holiday music has become more prominent on streaming services’ seasonal playlists.
No. 1 in its 50th week on Hot 100: As it spends its 50th week on the Hot 100, Carey’s “Christmas” is the first song to lead in as late as its 50th frame on the survey. A week earlier, when it reigned in its 49th week, it passed Los Del Rio’s “Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix),” which led through its 46th week on the chart in November 1996. (The latter also logged multiple runs on the Hot 100, first running up 20 weeks in September 1995-January 1996 before it resurged and returned in May 1996 and lasted on the list through February 1997.)
Longest span atop the Hot 100: Carey’s “Christmas” extends its mark for the longest span from a song’s first week at No. 1 on the Hot 100 to its latest: two years and 11 days (Dec. 21, 2019-Jan. 1, 2022).
Plus, the latest week atop the Hot 100 for “Christmas” extends Carey’s record for the longest span of an artist ranking at No. 1 on the chart: 31 years and five months, dating to her first week at No. 1 on the chart dated Aug. 4, 1990, with her debut single “Vision of Love.”
When “Christmas” first hit No. 1 on the Hot 100 dated Dec. 21, 2019, Carey passed Cher, whose solo No. 1s span 27 years and five months, from “Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves,” from its first week at No. 1 in 1971, through “Believe,” through its last week on top in 1999. (If Cher’s career as half of duo Sonny & Cher were combined with her solo output, her No. 1 span would cover 33 years, seven months and two weeks, from Sonny & Cher’s “I Got You Babe,” which reached the top in 1965, through “Believe.”)
Happy new year: Carey has now placed at No. 1 on the Hot 100 in a record-extending 18 distinct years (per Hot 100 chart dates): 1990-2000, 2005-06, 2008 and, thanks to “Christmas,” 2019-22.
Next up are three acts that have each spent time atop the Hot 100 in 10 individual years: Paul McCartney/Wings (1971, 1973-76, 1978, 1980, 1982-84; additionally, The Beatles, with him as a member, led in eight years: 1964-70); Michael Jackson (1972, 1979-80, 1983-84, 1987-88, 1991-92, 1995); and Madonna (1984-87, 1989-92, 1995, 2000).
Carey’s record 86th week atop Hot 100: With “Christmas,” Carey claims her record-extending 86th week at No. 1 on the Hot 100, dating to the chart’s Aug. 4, 1958, inception.
Most Weeks at No. 1 on Hot 100
86, Mariah Carey
60, Rihanna
59, The Beatles
52, Drake
50, Boyz II Men
“Christmas” became Carey’s 19th Hot 100 No. 1, the most among soloists and one away from The Beatles’ overall record 20. It also made Carey the only artist that has ranked at No. 1 on the chart in four distinct decades.
5 x 7: “Christmas” is Carey’s fifth Hot 100 No. 1 to rule for seven weeks or more, tying her with Drake for the most such leaders. Adele, Beyoncé, Boyz II Men and Rihanna follow with three each.
Most weeks at No. 1 for a holiday hit: Plus, with its seventh week atop the Hot 100, Carey’s “Christmas” extends its record for the most time at No. 1 among holiday songs. The only other seasonal single to reign, “The Chipmunk Song,” by David Seville & the Chipmunks, spent four weeks on top beginning in December 1958.
Carey’s “Christmas” paces an all-holiday top four on the Hot 100, with all titles at their peak positions. Brenda Lee’s “Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree,” originally released in 1958, keeps at No. 2 (47.5 million streams, up 33%, as it wins the Hot 100’s top Streaming Gainer award); the late Bobby Helms’ “Jingle Bell Rock,” from 1957, rises 4-3; and the late Burl Ives’ “A Holly Jolly Christmas,” from 1964, pushes 5-4. The tracks rank at Nos. 1, 2, 4 and 3, respectively, on Streaming Songs. (They also line up at the same positions on the Hot 100 that they held both a year ago and two years ago this week.)
Adele’s “Easy on Me” dips 3-5 on the Hot 100, after seven nonconsecutive weeks at No. 1. The ballad spends a fifth week atop Radio Songs, with 86 million in reach (up 2%).
The late Andy Williams’ “It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year” rises 7-6 on the Hot 100. Originally released in 1963, it hit a No. 5 high last holiday season. With the song’s latest week in the top 10, Williams’ record for the longest span of appearing in the tier is extended to 62 years, two months and three weeks, dating to his first week in the top 10 with “Lonely Street,” on the chart dated Oct. 12, 1959.
Wham!’s “Last Christmas” jingles 9-7 for a new Hot 100 high (adding the chart’s top Sales Gainer nod for its 21% increase to 4,100 sold). A year ago this week, the song, released in 1984, hit the top 10 for the first time, becoming the seventh top 10 for the duo of George Michael (who died Dec. 25, 2016) and Andrew Ridgeley. The pair charted its first six top 10s, including three No. 1s, in 1984-86; Michael subsequently notched 14 solo top 10s, including seven No. 1s, through 1996.
José Feliciano’s 1970 holiday chestnut “Feliz Navidiad” returns to the Hot 100’s top 10, dashing 11-8. It hit a No. 6 high last holiday season, two weeks after becoming his second top 10.
The Kid LAROI and Justin Bieber’s “Stay” slips 6-9 on the Hot 100, after seven weeks at No. 1.
Rounding out the Hot 100’s top 10, The Ronettes’ “Sleigh Ride” gallops from its prior No. 13 best to No. 10, with 27.1 million streams (up 27%), 17.1 million in airplay audience (up 10%) and 1,000 sold (up 9%). The song, released in late 1963, is The Ronettes’ second Hot 100 top 10, and first in 58 years and two months, since “Be My Baby” hit a No. 2 high for three weeks in October 1963. The act (whose original three members reportedly did not record together after the ’60s) rewrites the record for the longest gap between top 10s, previously held by Ives, who went 56 years, seven months and two weeks from “Funny Way of Laughin’ ” in 1962 to “Holly Jolly Christmas,” which hit the top 10 for the first time during the 2018-19 holiday season. In between top 10s, and despite the original lineup’s dissolution, The Ronettes maintained a notable pop culture presence, particularly via “Be My Baby.” The song was interpolated, spotlighting lead singer Ronnie Spector’s “oh-oh-oh-oh … be my little baby” signature lines, in Eddie Money’s “Take Me Home Tonight,” which hit No. 4 on the Hot 100 in November 1986. The next year, “Be My Baby” received prominent placement in the blockbuster film Dirty Dancing, and on its soundtrack which topped the Billboard 200 for 18 weeks in 1987-88. Again, for all chart news, you can follow billboard and billboardcharts on both Twitter and Instagram and all charts (dated Jan. 1), including the Hot 100 in its entirety, will refresh on Billboard.com tomorrow (Dec. 29). |
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Post by gikem on Dec 28, 2021 10:28:49 GMT -5
Interesting that Stay managed to hold in the top 10 this week.
Hopefully Billboard actually announces their debuts today - I’d like to know where Broadway Girls, the Vince Guaraldi songs, and whatever Roddy Ricch tracks we’ll get will land.
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 28, 2021 10:29:59 GMT -5
There's always next Christmas for Brenda!
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Post by forg on Dec 28, 2021 10:33:40 GMT -5
Sad Underneath The Tree failed to reach top 10, Kelly was so close last year but probably not this year
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 28, 2021 10:40:55 GMT -5
AIWFCIY and RATCT both had, rounded off, 47.5 million streams. RATCT certainly has been narrowing the gap with AIWFCIY each year, though outside of a big push or usage in a high-profile, new project, it will be tough to hit the top, I'd think.
gikem- I'm also interested to see if the Vince Guaraldi tracks finally made the cut.
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