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Post by nathanalbright on Jan 18, 2022 0:26:57 GMT -5
*looks at calendar, sighs*
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 18, 2022 1:54:07 GMT -5
Y'all if Let It Go, a much more radio friendly track that was arguably even more popular than We Don't Talk About Bruno couldn't get airplay, then Bruno isn't getting airplay.
Lyrically it makes no sense at all outside of context of the film, so your average radio listener isn't going to understand what in the world is going on there. Musically it's way too different from anything being played on the radio. It very much sounds like a song from a musical, not a song radio listeners would get into.
Now Surface Pressure is fairly radio friendly and absolutely works outside of the context of the film. But the vocals are again still too quirky and musically to really work. Nothing else from the film has the buzz to even attract radio's attention. So I think it's safe to say Encanto is not going to see any major radio airplay. Bruno and/or Surface Pressure may show up on AC just because it's super easy to chart in the lower regions there, but that's probably it. (That's where Let It Go charted BTW.)
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Post by After Minutes on Jan 18, 2022 3:35:39 GMT -5
It's really fascinating to see how the modern pop star is shaping out to be.
Dua Lipa, Doja Cat, The Weeknd, Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber, Billie Eilish - they really just aren't top-heavy. No way you splice it, unless we're talking about a top 5 artist globally at the moment of release like Taylor, Ariana or Adele, they aren't guaranteed anything like they were 2-3 years ago. While they still perform insanely well, they aren't juggernauts who simply release songs or albums that break records and instantly go to #1. Their strength is stability, however, a loyal fanbase and longevity. In general, this isn't even really only about pop but A-listers in general, since someone like Travis would also fit in.
S-listers are almost the opposite, where they will certainly have huge debuts, but whether or not and how well those stick around is dependent on the quality of the songs (Drake, Taylor, Ariana, Kanye). Obviously, with the right campaign they will still be enormous hits (Adele EOM) but that isn't a given - it isn't for anyone.
I enjoy that the music scene is becoming an equal playing field but it sucks that Abel's performance is what made me have this realisation. Being a huge star nowadays doesn't guarantee you anything.
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 18, 2022 3:58:02 GMT -5
Rod Wave is kind of "rapper du jour", he combines soul and rap pretty well and fits today's Apple Music climate.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jan 18, 2022 5:17:05 GMT -5
It's radical, but if the chart is meant to display the most popular songs of the week, this would actually make sense. In the past I imagined them somehow incorporating songs being used in TV commercials into the chart I used to think so too. When songs are used in ads, for example, or in movies - those are things that can be tracked and added to audience totals that contribute toward the charts. How is it different than hearing a song on the radio? But now I think of those things as being more external factors that people have to respond to if they choose to. Hear a song you love in an ad, you stream it or buy it. Things like Super Bowl performances or award show spots I think a stronger case can be made for. These are primarily music-focused things that generally audiences actively choose to see/hear, and they generate discussion. But of course, they’re often medleys, so how would they count in a chart context. It could open a bag of worms all around. From a liberal point of view, I can see a use for this being included because like you said: it's about what the most popular songs of the week are, why not include songs used in movies. But again, I feel like we'd also have to redefine what's a song in this case: do include original commercial jingles? Musical scores and cues like theme songs (including ones that are instrumental)? How do we measure this for movies - do we measure both the scores as well as the non diegetic songs, if a movie makes over a billion dollars, how much should music charts reflect that? Should the theme songs to Succession and Bridgeton have charted since they were the most streamed TV shows last year? It might be silly to think some cute jingles and theme songs could chart but remember in 2016, Pen-Pineapple-Apple-Pen charted. Not to mention, if this were to be implemented, I'd be lying if I didn't think this wouldn't lead to some form of chart payola where songs that are charting would then be added to commercials and TV shows just to boost already present visibility. And I don't want to come of as being a pedant: we would need to determine what are the limits if we ever were to include TV, movies, and commercials into the charts (which I'm against especially since no other chart does this. Not even South Korean charts do this and in South Korea, pop culture is very supported by the state and media, and there is where charts actually matter.) |
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Post by After Minutes on Jan 18, 2022 8:47:01 GMT -5
Lost entering the US spotify top 20 (and possibly the top 10 by the end of the week?) is putting Frank in a really good position to start the rollout for the next album. Not getting my hopes up that much, but he's been more active on social media and he's headlining Coachella I believe next year, soooo..?
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 18, 2022 9:10:36 GMT -5
I just want 11 weeks for EOM and I'll be good... It's going to get at least that much. At this point there is nothing that is going to threaten it for weeks because its airplay lead is going to hold up due to AC and Hot AC even as its Top 40 plays fall. |
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Post by lazer on Jan 18, 2022 9:18:25 GMT -5
I don’t even know what Pushin P means
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Post by Groovy on Jan 18, 2022 9:25:55 GMT -5
I don’t even know what Pushin P means The P means player, it basically means to keep things real. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jan 18, 2022 9:44:05 GMT -5
Y'all if Let It Go, a much more radio friendly track that was arguably even more popular than We Don't Talk About Bruno couldn't get airplay, then Bruno isn't getting airplay. Lyrically it makes no sense at all outside of context of the film, so your average radio listener isn't going to understand what in the world is going on there. Musically it's way too different from anything being played on the radio. It very much sounds like a song from a musical, not a song radio listeners would get into. Now Surface Pressure is fairly radio friendly and absolutely works outside of the context of the film. But the vocals are again still too quirky and musically to really work. Nothing else from the film has the buzz to even attract radio's attention. So I think it's safe to say Encanto is not going to see any major radio airplay. Bruno and/or Surface Pressure may show up on AC just because it's super easy to chart in the lower regions there, but that's probably it. (That's where Let It Go charted BTW.) I agree Bruno isn't getting any radio play, apart from a few curiosity spins maybe. The tempo shifts with each character would never work on radio, even if the lyrics made sense to people who hadn't seen the movie. They could potentially push Dos Orugitas/Two Orugitas to radio. But I think they'd need to have Two Orugitas rerecorded by someone with more name recognition and a better accent than Sebastian Yatra to push it to anglo radio. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jan 18, 2022 11:03:23 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates « 2022 » / « 01 » / « 18 »
1(=) Adele - Easy On Me 120.90(-0.42)
2(=) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 96.91(+0.07)
3(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 89.55(+0.84)
4(=) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 76.65(+0.14)
5(=) Doja Cat - Need To Know 73.67(-0.47)
6(=) Bruno Mars/a .paak/silk Sonic - Smokin Out The Window 68.11(-0.33)
7(=) Elton John & Dua Lipa - Cold Heart (PNAU Remix) 67.18(+0.06)
8(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 66.40(+0.18)
9(=) Lil Nas X - Thats What I Want 59.97(+0.65)
10(=) Justin Bieber - Ghost 59.12(+1.04)
17(+2) Jordan Davis - Buy Dirt (feat. Luke Bryan) 43.12(+1.09)
30(+1) GAYLE - abcdefu 33.90(+1.03) 42(=) Parker McCollum - To Be Loved By You 28.00(+0.70)
73(+4) Doja Cat - Woman 17.52(+1.10) 82(+13) The Weeknd - Sacrifice 15.62(+2.03) -(-) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 12.54(+1.04)
-(-) Chris Brown - Iffy 9.24(+1.06)
-(-) Lauren Spencer-Smith - Fingers Crossed 4.94(+0.77) -(-) Maluma - Mama Tetema f/Rayvanny 2.26(+0.86) +
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Post by gikem on Jan 18, 2022 11:27:33 GMT -5
Charlie Puth is officially releasing Light Switch on Thursday, according to his social media. Might manage an early debut if first-day numbers are strong enough.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 18, 2022 11:58:24 GMT -5
Charlie Puth is officially releasing Light Switch on Thursday, according to his social media. Might manage an early debut if first-day numbers are strong enough. When was his last hit as a lead artist? |
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Post by gikem on Jan 18, 2022 12:01:58 GMT -5
Charlie Puth is officially releasing Light Switch on Thursday, according to his social media. Might manage an early debut if first-day numbers are strong enough. When was his last hit as a lead artist? How Long was his last top 40 hit as lead (peaked at #21 in early 2018). |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jan 18, 2022 12:17:19 GMT -5
Au$tin I went back to look up 'Let It Go' in the radio forums just to refresh my memory, 'cause it's not quite right to say it 'couldn't get airplay'. Nearly top 10 on AC, top 40 on Hot AC (almost top 30) and made the top 50 on pop radio, that's not nothing. I think a pretty key difference is song structure; 'Let It Go' follows a typical verse-chorus pattern which makes it work better against other similarly conventionally-structured songs. That's why I think it was able to get away at radio as much as it did (also, IDK what Idina's name recognition was like earlier in her career, but by the time 'Frozen' came around she was much more of a 'known' person which didn't hurt). I think 'Bruno' suffers from a case of too many cooks to work on radio; too many people singing, and the song would probably come across very disjointed and patchy due to all the different parts sung by different characters. It really doesn't work so well as a stand-alone piece, and I think it would take way too much work to bash into some kind of pop-friendly shape. This one just has to do without any kind of radio support.
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Post by nathanalbright on Jan 18, 2022 12:31:31 GMT -5
Those are my thoughts as well; having heard the song without having heard the movie when I listened to the whole soundtrack, it's certainly an interesting song but it appears to be aimed more at people who know and like the movie and find the song to be enjoyable from that context. If I heard the song randomly on the radio while driving I would be like wtf?
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 18, 2022 13:20:40 GMT -5
I hope Frank Ocean's "Lost" can become a big hit with its resurgence.
Spotify: #20
Apple Music: #31
It's been climbing quite a bit on Apple Music today. With the amount of Gunna album tracks ahead of it, it looks like it'll have a clear path to the top 10 as his album starts falling.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jan 18, 2022 13:29:47 GMT -5
She's the only female artist in the last 10 years to score a 10-week #1, and she'll do it again next week (most likely).
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Post by fridayteenage on Jan 18, 2022 13:39:51 GMT -5
She's the only female artist in the last 10 years to score a 10-week #1, and she'll do it again next week (most likely). Well, she has the only male-less song since 2010 that radio DJs put at #1 for 8+ weeks so that's not surprising. |
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 18, 2022 13:40:46 GMT -5
She's the only female artist in the last 10 years to score a 10-week #1, and she'll do it again next week (most likely). Not entirely true. But the only solo lead female artist. Kyla got 10 weeks with "One Dance" and Halsey 12 weeks with "Closer". |
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Post by After Minutes on Jan 18, 2022 13:47:37 GMT -5
I hope Frank Ocean's "Lost" can become a big hit with its resurgence. Spotify: #20 Apple Music: #31 It's been climbing quite a bit on Apple Music today. With the amount of Gunna album tracks ahead of it, it looks like it'll have a clear path to the top 10 as his album starts falling. As I said - I really hope this encourages Frank to release something |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jan 18, 2022 13:47:39 GMT -5
She's the only female artist in the last 10 years to score a 10-week #1, and she'll do it again next week (most likely). Not entirely true. But the only solo lead female artist. Kyla got 10 weeks with "One Dance" and Halsey 12 weeks with "Closer". yes, she's also the only lead or co-lead female to score that. Kyla and Halsey are both features. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 18, 2022 13:50:08 GMT -5
Au$tin I went back to look up 'Let It Go' in the radio forums just to refresh my memory, 'cause it's not quite right to say it 'couldn't get airplay'. Nearly top 10 on AC, top 40 on Hot AC (almost top 30) and made the top 50 on pop radio, that's not nothing. I meant it didn't garner the amount of airplay the streaming and sales it had would lead one to believe for a regular song. Did it even make the overall airplay chart? |
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Post by Future Captain on Jan 18, 2022 14:07:02 GMT -5
I think Bruno is going to plateau at somewhere around 30 million streams, which obviously isn't enough to unseat Adele. It might even not surpass Heat Waves. Radio isn't gonna play it either because while there's no denying it's very popular, it just isn't the type of song that can work in radio. If I have to guess, it'll probably peak at #3 behind Easy On Me and Heat Waves, with the latter being the one to dethrone Adele sometimes in late February or early March (Which also means that Easy On Me is getting at least 14 weeks at #1 lol)
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 18, 2022 14:08:46 GMT -5
I wonder if "Easy On Me" does get a 10th week if it'll get an 11th. It seems to be pretty stable and it all depends on how much bigger "We Don't Talk About Bruno" can get on streaming.
"We Don't Talk About Bruno" seems to have possibly peaked on spotify, but its youtube views are continuing to increase.
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up coming close, but not close enough, to overtaking "Easy On Me" before its streams start to fall and a different song then overtakes both "Easy On Me" and "We Don't Talk About Bruno" for the #1.
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Post by jaffery on Jan 18, 2022 14:34:48 GMT -5
Charlie puth isn't that big to debut high in general but Light Switch will debut in the top 10/5 if released on a Friday. Tiktok is no joke and that song has been hpyed on there more than any song ever. It has over 400k pre saves on Spotfiy as well
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Post by kalmanta on Jan 18, 2022 14:35:15 GMT -5
I hope Frank Ocean's "Lost" can become a big hit with its resurgence. Spotify: #20 Apple Music: #31 It's been climbing quite a bit on Apple Music today. With the amount of Gunna album tracks ahead of it, it looks like it'll have a clear path to the top 10 as his album starts falling. For me, it’s clearly THE chart story of the year so far (I know the year isn’t even 3 weeks old). It‘s unexpected success right now makes me so happy. |
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Post by chanman on Jan 18, 2022 14:39:41 GMT -5
Hmmmm...I remember in December some were saying Super Gremlin or ABCDEFU would be the challenge. This month some say Heat Waves or The Bruno Song.
And the mystery discussion continues week after week...which song will be the lucky one to replace Adele "Easy On Me" because its on a very slow decline.
Stay tuned, it could be a song that is not on any chart as yet. Time would tell indeed.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jan 18, 2022 14:43:40 GMT -5
I'm thinking its gonna end with 13 weeks at 1. What's stopping it really? Heat Waves and Bruno ain't catching up and that's like.... It
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 18, 2022 14:48:42 GMT -5
Charlie puth isn't that big to debut high in general but Light Switch will debut in the top 10/5 if released on a Friday. Tiktok is no joke and that song has been hpyed on there more than any song ever. It has over 400k pre saves on Spotfiy as well After this hyping up, top ten would be a disappointment, we'll see |
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