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Post by iHype. on Jan 23, 2022 10:57:59 GMT -5
Lets start with 2000 ofcourse...
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Post by fridayteenage on Jan 23, 2022 12:00:24 GMT -5
Do you know what's up with Independent Woman having tiny sales for a month, then multiplying more than 10x?
Did they not release singles in wide quantities until right before Christmas?
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Post by WolfSpear on Jan 23, 2022 12:17:39 GMT -5
With Destiny's Child gaining the most radio exposure of any song that year, they may have delayed the mass retail launch to capitalize on sales... Their sales numbers, however, aren't exactly in the same ballpark as Madonna or Santana, but the girls could easily command with the radio impressions and that turned out beneficial to them.
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Post by leoapp on Jan 23, 2022 12:47:52 GMT -5
Still pity with 2 massive 2000 hits, Oops! I Did It Again and Bye Bye Bye with no proper physical CDs for sale. Easy Hot 100 no. 1s... Just look at the forgotten Incomplete. Top seller with the worst airplay among 2000 Hot 100 no. 1s. Also even though I'm a lamb, i also wont deny how weak Thank God I Found You did airplay-wise.
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Post by iHype. on Jan 23, 2022 12:55:30 GMT -5
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Post by leoapp on Jan 23, 2022 12:59:26 GMT -5
How close the points between Bootylicious vs Loverboy during the infamous top 2 battle?
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Post by iHype. on Jan 23, 2022 13:01:38 GMT -5
Do you know what's up with Independent Woman having tiny sales for a month, then multiplying more than 10x? Did they not release singles in wide quantities until right before Christmas? They only had a Vinyl-maxi single available, which was like $10+ usually and Vinyl was a beyond dead format at that point (so basically a limited edition single), then they did a CD single release while in the middle of #1. It's like only having a Vinyl available on a website, then releasing a song for digital purchase weeks later. How close the points between Bootylicious vs Loverboy during the infamous top 2 battle? August 4, 2001: Bootylicious - 210 points (131k sales, 79 million radio audience) Loverboy - 201 points (180k sales, 21 million radio audience) August 11, 2001: Bootylicious - 155 points (85k~ sales, 70~ million radio audience) Loverboy - 148 points (130k~ sales, 18~ million radio audience)
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Post by leoapp on Jan 23, 2022 13:16:29 GMT -5
Do you know what's up with Independent Woman having tiny sales for a month, then multiplying more than 10x? Did they not release singles in wide quantities until right before Christmas? They only had a Vinyl-maxi single available, which was like $10+ usually and Vinyl was a beyond dead format at that point (so basically a limited edition single), then they did a CD single release while in the middle of #1. It's like only having a Vinyl available on a website, then releasing a song for digital purchase weeks later. How close the points between Bootylicious vs Loverboy during the infamous top 2 battle? August 4, 2001: Bootylicious - 210 points (131k sales, 79 million radio audience) Loverboy - 201 points (180k sales, 21 million radio audience) August 11, 2001: Bootylicious - 155 points (85k~ sales, 70~ million radio audience) Loverboy - 135 points (117k~ sales, 18~ million radio audience) Wow so close... thank you... Imagine if Loverboy ended hitting no. 1 for 1 week, helped by cheap prices, but with the whole Glitter movie/OST still bombed...maybe the press would even hit harder, called Mariah manipulating the chart.
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Post by WolfSpear on Jan 23, 2022 13:34:01 GMT -5
Sales began to deteriorate in 2002 and soon enough, the top sellers start missing the chart completely. Sound familiar?
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Post by renfield75 on Jan 23, 2022 14:19:49 GMT -5
Still pity with 2 massive 2000 hits, Oops! I Did It Again and Bye Bye Bye with no proper physical CDs for sale. Easy Hot 100 no. 1s... Just look at the forgotten Incomplete. Top seller with the worst airplay among 2000 Hot 100 no. 1s. Also even though I'm a lamb, i also wont deny how weak Thank God I Found You did airplay-wise. "Incomplete" needs some context for why it sold so well. The infinitely more memorable "Thong Song" never had a physical single and peaked at number 3 off of airplay. To ensure he wasn't technically a one-hit wonder, his label included a remix of "Thong Song" on the "Incomplete" single. Since it was a remix it didn't have stronger airplay than "Incomplete" so the a-side is what got credited, and thus Sisqo got a number one hit with a song no one really remembers...and is still considered a one-hit wonder by the majority of the public anyway.
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Post by Gary on Jan 23, 2022 14:25:09 GMT -5
Not sure the one hit wonder thing was the motivator
Tacking on Thong Song was a ploy to boost the "A-side" which was the likely motivator
Happened on other songs during the era too
(Side note - Sisqo had a number of hits with Dru Hill)
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Post by renfield75 on Jan 23, 2022 14:35:57 GMT -5
Not sure the one hit wonder thing was the motivator Tacking on Thong Song was a ploy to boost the "A-side" which was the likely motivator Happened on other songs during the era too (Side note - Sisqo had a number of hits with Dru Hill) Yeah I don't think they cared about that specific title, they were trying to extend his career and make him into a long-term viable artist beyond the Thong Song. Ultimately it didn't work.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jan 23, 2022 15:01:57 GMT -5
Sales began to deteriorate in 2002 and soon enough, the top sellers start missing the chart completely. Sound familiar? Kind of like the decline of sales that began in 2016 and is ongoing.
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Post by Gary on Jan 23, 2022 15:26:06 GMT -5
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Post by iHype. on Jan 23, 2022 16:06:05 GMT -5
Fun facts: - The #1 on the Sales chart reached below 10,000 for the first time by May - The #1 on the Sales chart reached below 5,000 for the first time by July - By May the top 9 on Hot 100 & Radio were identical; only 1 song in the top 10 was selling over 3k - Kelly's 236,000 sales were the highest since 1999. - 18 weeks the #1 song wasn't even available for sale - 48 weeks the #1 song did not reach 5K sales
Mainly due to the fact that almost all radio hits were album-only to encourage album sales, and those that were available for sale had very rare limited Vinyl versions (for DJs and die-hard fans) which cost $10+ and were produced in extremely limited quantity. Only 2 #1's had CD singles (How You Remind Me & A Moment Like This) which is what the average consumer would've bought to listen to music in 2002.
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Post by fridayteenage on Jan 23, 2022 16:13:04 GMT -5
Ah yes, the year where 0-1k was the assumption.
Hopefully 2022 doesn't crater like that. I'm guessing bts fans will continue to try to butter things up no matter what it takes.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jan 23, 2022 17:09:45 GMT -5
Now THIS is cool!
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Post by mikerivera on Jan 23, 2022 17:43:41 GMT -5
As someone who was a toddler in 2000, it’s crazy to me that anyone was buying physical singles in the first place. It just seems like such a bad investment to pay like 1/3 the price of the album for just two songs. Plus a waste of CD to only use 2 songs worth of memory space. I’d love to hear from people who were buying music back then why they’d buy a single over an album
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Post by renfield75 on Jan 23, 2022 18:14:05 GMT -5
As someone who was a toddler in 2000, it’s crazy to me that anyone was buying physical singles in the first place. It just seems like such a bad investment to pay like 1/3 the price of the album for just two songs. Plus a waste of CD to only use 2 songs worth of memory space. I’d love to hear from people who were buying music back then why they’d buy a single over an album Depended on the artist. If someone seemed like they only had one good song (like a Lou Bega or Eiffel 65) you'd probably rather spend $2-3 for a single than $20 for a CD where you most likely were only going to like that one song. And this was an era where the industry was price-gouging on CDs, eventually losing a lawsuit over it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_price_fixing. Unfortunately for the industry they took singles away from people and started inflating CD prices right at the dawn of Napster and piracy. People no longer had spend $20 to get the one song they wanted. You also have to remember that singles were mainly sold to younger people who were on an allowance. If you were a kid with $20 to spend you might prefer getting 4 or 5 singles you know you like rather than getting one CD with only one song you were guaranteed to like. There was no streaming to preview the other album cuts, you were spending money on faith. And often, singles had exclusive mixes or b-sides that weren't available anywhere else. That made them more attractive if you were a fan of the artist, even if you already had the album.
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Post by Gary on Jan 23, 2022 18:38:38 GMT -5
Labels being aware that for certain artists people would rather buy the 3 dollar single than put out 15 bucks for an album is one of the reasons why singles were not released in these cases. If you loved the song that much, you would be forced to buy the album or wait for it on the radio
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Post by badrobot on Jan 23, 2022 19:49:18 GMT -5
As someone who was a toddler in 2000, it’s crazy to me that anyone was buying physical singles in the first place. It just seems like such a bad investment to pay like 1/3 the price of the album for just two songs. Plus a waste of CD to only use 2 songs worth of memory space. I’d love to hear from people who were buying music back then why they’d buy a single over an album The average CD album was probably about $15 then, and the average single was probably around $3-4, with the average "maxi-single" around $7, just for some context around pricing at the time (I worked in music stores in the late 90s). Some reasons to buy a single: - Often they were discounted really cheap, sometimes as low as $0.49 - There was no way to hear a full album unless you'd heard it at a friend's house, so you were taking a big chance with your money if you bought a full album, especially if you didn't already love the artist (that obviously started changing around 2000ish with MP3s/Napster) - Often they included B-sides that weren't available anywhere else (especially maxi-singles, which could have a bunch of remixes as well) - Often lead singles were released before albums came out, so it was the fastest way to get new music The industry was phasing out selling singles in the 90s largely because they wanted people to buy (more expensive) albums. This led to some weird situations where sometimes it was literally impossible to buy a song that was popular. For example, Madonna's "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" dance remix was released to promote Evita, and the label just wanted people to buy the soundtrack, so it didn't release a single at first despite the fact that the remix wasn't even on the soundtrack. Eventually they relented and only released a $7 maxi-single with remixes, but I think there was a couple months where the track was impossible to buy. There were definitely other cases like this too.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 23, 2022 22:38:13 GMT -5
Good stuff, iHype. Thanks for starting this thread and sharing the info. :)
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Post by iHype. on Jan 23, 2022 23:01:35 GMT -5
2003 highlights: - The 'sales savior' was "This Is The Night" which had the largest sales week since "Candle In The Wind 1997". It actually became the first song in history to reach #1 on Hot 100 without charting on the radio component chart (ironic in a year where radio composed the entire Hot 100 practically). - 50 weeks had the #1 song sell below 5,000. - 50 Cent had the highest radio peak that year, with "In Da Club" breaking the audience impressions record. - There was 3 months straight where the #1 song didn't even chart on the Sales chart.
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Post by annoymous1 on Jan 23, 2022 23:57:04 GMT -5
thank you for doing this. I've always wanted to see the point breakdown of some of the past #1s.
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Post by fridayteenage on Jan 24, 2022 1:06:38 GMT -5
I guess American Idol:the end of the physical age::BTS:the end of the digital age
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 24, 2022 9:25:51 GMT -5
Why did radio impressions get bigger as time went on...I'm a little pressed that Janet only peaked with 109M audience impressions but it was the fastest growing song on radio at the time...
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 24, 2022 9:28:16 GMT -5
It's also crazy seeing how song of these songs are huge radio hits and only a handful are still remembered today.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 24, 2022 9:40:26 GMT -5
Why did radio impressions get bigger as time went on...I'm a little pressed that Janet only peaked with 109M audience impressions but it was the fastest growing song on radio at the time... What formats did "AFY" get played on? Obviously the songs with the biggest totals had good play on a lot of formats.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 24, 2022 9:49:30 GMT -5
Why did radio impressions get bigger as time went on...I'm a little pressed that Janet only peaked with 109M audience impressions but it was the fastest growing song on radio at the time... What formats did "AFY" get played on? Obviously the songs with the biggest totals had good play on a lot of formats. 3 on Rhythmic, #1 on pop, #1 on urban radio. Those at the time were the formats needed to hit it high in the charts. You would think a song that debuts with 70M audience impressions would at least hit the high ranges. I'm Real and Fallin had about 130-150M and All For You only had 109M...something seems off or maybe that's just me...
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 24, 2022 9:56:32 GMT -5
What formats did "AFY" get played on? Obviously the songs with the biggest totals had good play on a lot of formats. 3 on Rhythmic, #1 on pop, #1 on urban radio. Those at the time were the formats needed to hit it high in the charts. You would think a song that debuts with 70M audience impressions would at least hit the high ranges. I'm Real and Fallin had about 130-150M and All For You only had 109M...something seems off or maybe that's just me... In the May 5, 2001 issue where "AFY" was #1 for a fourth week, it's mentioned that "AFY" has 113 million impressions (up 4.5 million) and 45,000 sold. "Survivor" was #1 in airplay with 123 million impressions. "AFY" fell 9-11 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, so I guess it needed better play there for a huge total.
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