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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 27, 2022 15:27:48 GMT -5
brocka- in the fall of 1987, Radio & Records reported the individual stats for Madonna's 'Who's That Girl"- cumulatively (vinyl and cassette singles), it shipped sold ~540,000 units. Yet Warner never certified it Maybe they will do so when they update her catalog (one would expect such with the forthcoming reissues).
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 15:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by inverse on Jan 27, 2022 16:50:12 GMT -5
It's weird how 2004 didn't have a single strong #1 hit. Would have thought that Yeah would have had some killer weeks
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Post by mikerivera on Jan 27, 2022 16:59:16 GMT -5
It's weird how 2004 didn't have a single strong #1 hit. Would have thought that Yeah would have had some killer weeks Because the 2004 Hot 100 was essentially just the radio. Physical singles were dead, and while digital singles had been introduced, they weren’t included in the Hot 100 yet. I’d love to see what the Hot 100 would have looked like if digital sales had been included; especially since I know Yeah and Hey Ya topped the 1 million mark. At least we know Billboard was never late to the party again and made sure to include relative metrics before it screwed over Gangnam Style any other songs
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 17:06:35 GMT -5
T4P! I'll have to take time to really go through this, but I immediately saw the radio impressions thing. The top song at Top 40 was at 67 million or something. To that end, something getting play from multiple formats might have reached 100 million impressions, but Hot 100 Airplay didn't include all formats until late 1998, of course. The previous records mentioned weren't really for many formats.
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Post by Private Dancer on Jan 27, 2022 17:12:50 GMT -5
As time went on and they monitored more stations impressions grew. Somewhere along the line, impressions dropped as they combined all formats. Then again in the 80s Top 40 radio was super huge.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 17:16:01 GMT -5
It's weird how 2004 didn't have a single strong #1 hit. Would have thought that Yeah would have had some killer weeks Because the 2004 Hot 100 was essentially just the radio. Physical singles were dead, and while digital singles had been introduced, they weren’t included in the Hot 100 yet. I’d love to see what the Hot 100 would have looked like if digital sales had been included; especially since I know Yeah and Hey Ya topped the 1 million mark. At least we know Billboard was never late to the party again and made sure to include relative metrics before it screwed over Gangnam Style any other songs Did they for sure sell that much? Keep in mind initial cert levels for digital songs were lower than they are now. Having said that, I haven't looked into what those songs were certified back then. I found a Billboard article from the 5/1/04 issue that had the top digital sellers to that point. They were: 1. "Hey Ya" - 268,000 2. "This Love" - 135,000 3. "Toxic" - 133,000 4. "It's My Life" - 124,000 5. "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" - 96,000 6. "The Way You Move" - 93,000 7. "Where is the Love?" - 91,000 8. "The First Cut is the Deepest" - 88,000 9. "Crazy In Love" - 87,000 10. "White Flag" - 86,000
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Post by mikerivera on Jan 27, 2022 17:41:03 GMT -5
Okay so re-examining it, I was a little fast to the gun. Hey Ya was the first song to hit 1 million downloads, but that didn’t happen until September 2005. It still spent 17 consecutive weeks atop the digital sales chart. Yeah hit 1 million in June 2006. I don’t know when Toxic hit 1 million, but I know it had reached 500k by October 2004. And This Love was the top digital song of 2004. All this to say that there were some sales monsters in 2004 that would have significantly boosted the points for a number of songs that year. And most of the songs with a ton of digital sales back then are songs that are still well remembered today.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2022 18:01:43 GMT -5
Okay so re-examining it, I was a little fast to the gun. Hey Ya was the first song to hit 1 million downloads, but that didn’t happen until September 2005. It still spent 17 consecutive weeks atop the digital sales chart. Yeah hit 1 million in June 2006. I don’t know when Toxic hit 1 million, but I know it had reached 500k by October 2004. And This Love was the top digital song of 2004. All this to say that there were some sales monsters in 2004 that would have significantly boosted the points for a number of songs that year. And most of the songs with a ton of digital sales back then are songs that are still well remembered today. Yeah, Hey Ya, and This Love still all made the year-end top 10. From the stats I posted, women would have benefitted most from digital sales being included at that time. Toxic, It's My Life, and The First Cut were all top 10 there yet had Hot 100 peaks that don't represent it.
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Post by mikerivera on Jan 27, 2022 19:25:11 GMT -5
Oh I understand that. This was in reference to Inverse asking about the weekly point totals
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Jan 27, 2022 20:13:43 GMT -5
At least we know Billboard was never late to the party again and made sure to include relative metrics before it screwed over Gangnam Style any other songs I'd argue they've already screwed up by not directly incorporating TikTok into the chart. You could probably name at least a few songs from the past couple years that were HUGE on TikTok, but didn't have the chart presence to match.
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Post by rimetm on Jan 27, 2022 21:21:53 GMT -5
At least we know Billboard was never late to the party again and made sure to include relative metrics before it screwed over Gangnam Style any other songs I'd argue they've already screwed up by not directly incorporating TikTok into the chart. You could probably name at least a few songs from the past couple years that were HUGE on TikTok, but didn't have the chart presence to match. On the contrary, the removal of UGC video streams in 2020 was a change in pivot that is ideologically incompatible with adding TikTok. Personally, I get it, letting compilations of short clips count towards the charts was letting songs essentially become famous from ~8% of their content with most of the audience not hearing the other ~92%, and letting that issue get worse by tapping into the raw source does seem like a bad move. TikTok's effect on the chart as a discovery tool that reverberates on the tracked services is far more appropriate than Vine's boost to streaming via rehosts in my opinion.
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Post by 85la on Jan 27, 2022 22:13:46 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006-2007 period, to me the biggest anomaly is This Ain’t a Scene suddenly debuting at #2 in February 2007, despite the fact I was already hearing it on radio by late September/early October 2006. I wonder why it took so long for it to chart, since this was not commonplace for this time period. Did Fall Out Boy not have this on the iTunes store until it was near its peak on radio? Are you sure you heard it as early as Sep/Oct of 2006? According to it's Wikipedia page, it seems like it wasn't released to radio until November or December, and didn't enter the airplay chart until Jan 20, 2007, at #73, and then two weeks later when it debuted at #2 on the Hot 100 off of it's #1 start on Digital Songs, it was still only #73 on airplay, and would only go on to peak at #35 there. Like most rock acts around then, Fall Out Boy did much better with digital sales than with radio, but the disparity was particularly large with This Ain't a Scene.
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Post by leoapp on Jan 27, 2022 23:18:43 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to know how close the points gap compared to the no. 1s, for those no.2/no.3 debuts or big jumps to no. 2/no.3, in 2006-2009, like This Ain't Scene, Too Little Too Late, Beautiful Liar, Crush, Circus, etc... before Britney's 3 finally made history (for non American Idol coronation), debuting at no. 1...
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jan 28, 2022 0:07:06 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006-2007 period, to me the biggest anomaly is This Ain’t a Scene suddenly debuting at #2 in February 2007, despite the fact I was already hearing it on radio by late September/early October 2006. I wonder why it took so long for it to chart, since this was not commonplace for this time period. Did Fall Out Boy not have this on the iTunes store until it was near its peak on radio? Are you sure you heard it as early as Sep/Oct of 2006? According to it's Wikipedia page, it seems like it wasn't released to radio until November or December, and didn't enter the airplay chart until Jan 20, 2007, at #73, and then two weeks later when it debuted at #2 on the Hot 100 off of it's #1 start on Digital Songs, it was still only #73 on airplay, and would only go on to peak at #35 there. Like most rock acts around then, Fall Out Boy did much better with digital sales than with radio, but the disparity was particularly large with This Ain't a Scene. 2006 was my final year of high school and 2007 my first year of college, and This Ain't a Scene definitely felt more of a late 2006 song than 2007. I'm from the Philadelphia area, and I remember that my stations overplaying this during the holiday season (this was during a time when Christmas music wasn't being played 24/7 in December).
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Post by iHype. on Jan 28, 2022 2:11:38 GMT -5
It's weird how 2004 didn't have a single strong #1 hit. Would have thought that Yeah would have had some killer weeks Points do become arbitrary to an extent, and the formula change in 2005 highlights that. Sales were weighed 2x more in 2005 following 2004. “I Believe” would’ve been nearly 300 points a year later. If 50 million airplay impressions is 50 points this year, then 100 points next year it doesn’t mean a song that achieves that is suddenly 2x stronger. Just means the formula weighs that raw number more.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 28, 2022 10:43:36 GMT -5
Are you sure you heard it as early as Sep/Oct of 2006? According to it's Wikipedia page, it seems like it wasn't released to radio until November or December, and didn't enter the airplay chart until Jan 20, 2007, at #73, and then two weeks later when it debuted at #2 on the Hot 100 off of it's #1 start on Digital Songs, it was still only #73 on airplay, and would only go on to peak at #35 there. Like most rock acts around then, Fall Out Boy did much better with digital sales than with radio, but the disparity was particularly large with This Ain't a Scene. 2006 was my final year of high school and 2007 my first year of college, and This Ain't a Scene definitely felt more of a late 2006 song than 2007. I'm from the Philadelphia area, and I remember that my stations overplaying this during the holiday season (this was during a time when Christmas music wasn't being played 24/7 in December). Looking at the 12/23/06 issue of Billboard, "This Ain't A Scene..." rose 19-14 on the Modern Rock chart in its 3rd week on the chart, so it was in the very early stages at the end of 2006.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 1, 2022 23:55:18 GMT -5
2006?
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 2, 2022 16:35:25 GMT -5
Alright, someone quote me when 2006 appears.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Feb 2, 2022 17:47:40 GMT -5
What happened to this?
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 2, 2022 17:49:04 GMT -5
That's what I'm trying to figure out....im literally trying to see Beyonce have 200M audience for two weeks. But if you see anything please quote me
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 2, 2022 17:50:00 GMT -5
Also, Queen of Radio Mariah Legendary Carey had 5 weeks with 200M audience impressions. I don't think anyone else had done that this decade. (2000s)
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Post by iHype. on Feb 2, 2022 20:19:26 GMT -5
Highlights:This year was a pretty major turning point for the Hot 100. The new formula that went effective the prior year had began to heavily weigh sales as the 2006 increase for digital music far outdid expectations. - There was a whopping 31 consecutive weeks where the #1 song wasn't #1 on radio; a complete U-turn from just two years prior. - There was only 16 weeks the entire year the #1 song was also #1 at radio... compared to 33 weeks of the #1 song being #1 in sales. - Turnover at the top also took a complete U-turn overnight. Only two songs spent over 5 weeks #1, while in 2005 only threee songs spent less than 5 weeks #1.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Feb 2, 2022 20:26:54 GMT -5
Alright, someone quote me when 2006 appears. It’s here!
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 2, 2022 22:06:42 GMT -5
Alright, someone quote me when 2006 appears. It’s here! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM SO EXICTED AND I CANT HIDE IT! GOING TO LOOK AT IT AFTER MY ASSIGNMENTS ARE DONE
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Post by Future Captain on Feb 2, 2022 22:31:24 GMT -5
The fact that the non Hip-Hop/RnB number-ones all almost exclusively got there due to sales strength really highlighted just how massive Rhythmic/Urban radio was in the era
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Post by 85la on Feb 2, 2022 23:19:14 GMT -5
iHype. are all the sales and radio numbers completely accurate and pulled from verifiable sources, the Billboard articles, etc., or are you estimating in some cases? Either way, thanks for all the work!
So we are now starting to see in 2006, at least imo, that digital sales are becoming a problem, taking up just too many points in the formula, well over 50% for most songs in fact. They wouldn't decrease sales points by half until the end of 2007, but by then it would be a little too late as digital sales will have exploded even more.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 1:00:38 GMT -5
Quick question...didn't Beyonce have 200M with Check On It...
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 1:20:34 GMT -5
The fact that the non Hip-Hop/RnB number-ones all almost exclusively got there due to sales strength really highlighted just how massive Rhythmic/Urban radio was in the era I was just going to say this. Urban songs had an advantage in terms of airplay. They got pop, Rhythmic, and urban airplay which all three formats are huge in impressions. On the other hand, the pop songs only got super high sales and only limited impressions.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 3, 2022 1:23:13 GMT -5
Looking at this list is very nostalgic.
I remember Promiscuous being played on the local urban and pop radio station during the summer of 2006 and even was still played after the summer.
Then there's JT with his songs being played on local pop and r&b radio.
The annoying Bad Day that was highly overplayed.
Check On It...one of my favorite Beyonce songs...huge impressions but forgotten
Hips Don't Lie...overplayed even played years later...up until 2009
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