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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 17, 2022 19:49:44 GMT -5
Leona Lewis did not in fact slay the girls like I thought she was going to...if it wasn't for digital sales...her airplay wasn't that good and when it was good her sales was decreasing.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 17, 2022 20:06:35 GMT -5
Actually when you look at the airplay peaks and the impressions and compare it to your previous charts it makes sense. Like for Britney and Coldplay. I used the billboard monitor, but I had issues with Low's audience impressions and towards the end of the year with 1 week. This is just a random week but June 21 you had Lollipop with 134 million That week Top 40 - 38.652 million Rhythmic - 52.845 million Urban - 47.895 million Latin Rhythm - 2.970 million Other formats it wasn't charting on - 2 million~ = 144 million I think you just also have to double check the weeks you are referencing for airplay are aligned with Billboard's issue weeks.
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Post by 85la on Feb 17, 2022 20:52:11 GMT -5
Yeah brocka thanks for the effort, but your numbers do seem off a bit. You also used the wrong formula by doubling the sales points, which in late 2007 were decreased by half.
For example, the first week of the year when Low was #1, its sales were 178k and radio 104 million, so it should be 178 + 104 = 282 points, not 178(2) + 104 = 460 points.
iHype thanks for all your work and I totally understand that you would need a lot of time to compile this, and I'd probably prefer you continue it because you started the thread and have your own system going, but I'll leave it up to the rest if other people want to continue it.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 17, 2022 20:59:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry did I did thr best I could with what I had
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 17, 2022 21:04:28 GMT -5
I have some free time, if I get the sources that iHype uses and if I could be notified of the formula changes nd how to calculate them I'd be happy to redo it and maybe do these along with iHype. But it's up to iHype
BTW, Ihype I appreciate your hard work and thank you for these!
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Post by mikerivera on Feb 18, 2022 9:22:22 GMT -5
I have some free time, if I get the sources that iHype uses and if I could be notified of the formula changes nd how to calculate them I'd be happy to redo it and maybe do these along with iHype. But it's up to iHype BTW, Ihype I appreciate your hard work and thank you for these! Fortunately, I’ve already done the math for 2010, 2011 and early 2012, so I can tell you that the formula is sales/10, radio/10,000. Quite simple actually. Which means that at Low’s peak, it would have earned 57,900.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 21, 2022 19:11:21 GMT -5
Highlights:
- The trend of #1 hits returning to #1 various times was stronger than ever, due to large digital sales being explosive out the gate then airplay catching up in subsequent weeks while digital sales heightened. - The addition of Streaming which seemed progressive and great ultimately became short-lived at the time. Billboard failed to mention it almost ever after adding it, and to make matters worse Yahoo! had reporting issues throughout many months and was the largest contributor of streaming data (AOL being the only other contributor). Thus the streaming chart was extremely weak in many weeks despite only being less than 5% of the formula even prior. The worst thing however was the fact YouTube was becoming the top form of streaming for music at this point and AOL/Yahoo! were already beginning to peak and decline. YouTube would not be added for multiple more years hendering the Streaming chart insufficient and borderline useless shortly after beginning.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 21, 2022 19:59:52 GMT -5
Wow "Disturbia" was a weak ass #1.
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 21, 2022 20:16:25 GMT -5
OMG WE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR IT!!!!!!
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 21, 2022 20:17:06 GMT -5
Wow "Disturbia" was a weak ass #1. Even when II was doing my chart, as inaccurate as it could've been...I too noticed that Disturbia was a weak #1
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Feb 21, 2022 20:17:18 GMT -5
lol, I was an avid AOL and Yahoo user, and I never knew you could stream on there. YouTube already was the top form of streaming to me by the end of 2006.
Fun fact: The first two classic songs I streamed on YouTube were “Maniac” by Michael Sembello and “Radio Gaga” by Queen. The first two new songs I streamed on YouTube were “Everytime We Touch” and “Miracle” by Cascada.
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Post by Future Captain on Feb 21, 2022 20:19:23 GMT -5
Do anyone know how Viva la Vida got to #1? I checked and saw that it have a pretty strange chart trajectory in the weeks leading up to it getting to #1 (Something like 15-41-10-3-2-1) driven almost entirely by sales. Did it get performed somewhere in the weeks where it jumps 41-10-3?
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 21, 2022 20:24:18 GMT -5
Looking at some of these weeks...the audience numbers were pretty close...I'm amazed at how well I did...even though I was off a little....
It's also crazy how these songs went to #1 with digital sales while they weren't smashing at radio, and when they were smashing at radio,the digital sales were already declining...
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Feb 21, 2022 20:26:50 GMT -5
Do anyone know how Viva la Vida got to #1? I checked and saw that it have a pretty strange chart trajectory in the weeks leading up to it getting to #1 (Something like 15-41-10-3-2-1) driven almost entirely by sales. Did it get performed somewhere in the weeks where it jumps 41-10-3? I only found this: "Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" explodes 41-10 and is the top digital gainer after selling 139,000 downloads. The song is prominently featured in a TV ad for Apple's iTunes Music Store." and it's probably this one:
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Post by iHype. on Feb 21, 2022 20:35:46 GMT -5
Do anyone know how Viva la Vida got to #1? I checked and saw that it have a pretty strange chart trajectory in the weeks leading up to it getting to #1 (Something like 15-41-10-3-2-1) driven almost entirely by sales. Did it get performed somewhere in the weeks where it jumps 41-10-3? Word of mouth combined with Apple promotion. The Apple promotion helped, but the album did 720k first week the week after Viva La Vida reached #1 so there was clearly just really big hype for their return in general. They were one of those acts that was huge without radio. "Speed Of Sound" also reached #2 on Digital while not charting on radio (later peaked at #28 on Radio).
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Post by mikerivera on Feb 21, 2022 20:39:58 GMT -5
I really wonder what the charts would have looked like if YouTube had been added before 2013. I mean, the obvious changes would have been Gangnam Style going to #1 and Friday way bigger on the charts, but aside from that, tough to say. I didn’t start listening to music until 2011, but YouTube was my go to for actively seeking out a song, and I’d only buy it if I already knew I liked it
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 21, 2022 20:41:56 GMT -5
^If thats the case...Girlfriend would've had multiple weeks at #/and or a longer chart run.
Same with Single Ladies, Crank That, Hips Don't Lie, and Promiscuous
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Feb 21, 2022 23:58:23 GMT -5
I feel like Viva La Vida was propelled to #1 by the force of its own sheer quality and brilliance in songwriting
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Feb 22, 2022 0:00:29 GMT -5
I really wonder what the charts would have looked like if YouTube had been added before 2013. I mean, the obvious changes would have been Gangnam Style going to #1 and Friday way bigger on the charts, but aside from that, tough to say. I didn’t start listening to music until 2011, but YouTube was my go to for actively seeking out a song, and I’d only buy it if I already knew I liked it this is frequently brought up, and every time, I take the chance to criticize Billboard for being SO LATE to add YT views to the chart. They should've already incorporated TikTok as well.
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Post by 85la on Feb 22, 2022 0:55:23 GMT -5
Looking at some of these weeks...the audience numbers were pretty close...I'm amazed at how well I did...even though I was off a little.... It's also crazy how these songs went to #1 with digital sales while they weren't smashing at radio, and when they were smashing at radio,the digital sales were already declining... Yep, and this was still far before the peak of digital sales, and even after Billboard decreased the weight of sales by half the previous year. Interestingly, none of the #1 songs ranked lower than #6 in sales this year during the weeks they were #1 (the vast majority of weeks ranking between #'s 1-3), while there were 8 weeks when the #1 song was #20 or below on radio! I witnessed this time very closely on the charts, and it was very surprising to see this almost completely new artist named Flo Rida land the largest digital sales week (by far!) with 467k with this new club banger Low, and to maintain sales of 170k+ for many more weeks. The song was good, but didn't stand out a whole lot for me from other similar songs at the time, and especially for a very new and almost unknown artist.
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Post by aussie1 on Feb 22, 2022 3:05:52 GMT -5
Wow "Disturbia" was a weak ass #1. Even more shocking because it's her second best selling song (digital) in the states only behind WFL. It must of had some decent longevity.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Feb 22, 2022 4:09:25 GMT -5
Wow "Disturbia" was a weak ass #1. Even more shocking because it's her second best selling song (digital) in the states only behind WFL. It must of had some decent longevity. I remember it being cemented as a Halloween hit, so it must've still been pretty popular by October
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Post by renaboss on Feb 22, 2022 7:51:42 GMT -5
Did a quick Spotify search and the most "forgotten" #1's in terms of Spotify streams are: This Is the Night - 384k (lmao) Inside Your Heaven - 3m I Believe - 5m Doesn't Really Matter - 8m Bent - 27m Don't Forget About Us - 32m Thank God I Found You - 35m Stand Up - 39m This Is Why I'm Hot - 39m Incomplete - 42m Be with You - 45m Do I Make You Proud isn't on Spotify. Do I Make You Proud has 2.3 million plays on Spotify Seeing this made my day, but then I tried to find the song myself and nope, so I opened this link and it's not playable on my Spotify. Oh well.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 22, 2022 7:53:44 GMT -5
I really wonder what the charts would have looked like if YouTube had been added before 2013. I mean, the obvious changes would have been Gangnam Style going to #1 and Friday way bigger on the charts, but aside from that, tough to say. I didn’t start listening to music until 2011, but YouTube was my go to for actively seeking out a song, and I’d only buy it if I already knew I liked it Did they include a YouTube/video streams chart before including those streams for the Hot 100 that would help give an indication? There was a Video Clips chart in 2008, at the least, but that was for Yahoo and AOL I presume.
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Post by firefox on Feb 22, 2022 9:37:42 GMT -5
I really wonder what the charts would have looked like if YouTube had been added before 2013. I mean, the obvious changes would have been Gangnam Style going to #1 and Friday way bigger on the charts, but aside from that, tough to say. I didn’t start listening to music until 2011, but YouTube was my go to for actively seeking out a song, and I’d only buy it if I already knew I liked it Maybe Bad Romance will be #1 too.
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Post by notgoodenglish on Feb 22, 2022 10:03:32 GMT -5
Waka Waka getting a higher peak, and maybe On The Floor. Remember both being massive on youtube.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 22, 2022 10:13:16 GMT -5
I really wonder what the charts would have looked like if YouTube had been added before 2013. I mean, the obvious changes would have been Gangnam Style going to #1 and Friday way bigger on the charts, but aside from that, tough to say. I didn’t start listening to music until 2011, but YouTube was my go to for actively seeking out a song, and I’d only buy it if I already knew I liked it Maybe Bad Romance will be #1 too. "Bad Romance" was #2 behind "Empire State of Mind." "Empire" had a huge lead in airplay at that time, and was top 4 in sales. So, "BR" might have needed a huge lead in video streams to be #1. Maybe someone with real numbers can tell us how close it was for #1.
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Feb 22, 2022 15:29:14 GMT -5
Maybe Bad Romance will be #1 too. "Bad Romance" was #1 behind "Empire State of Mind." "Empire" had a huge lead in airplay at that time, and was top 4 in sales. So, "BR" might have needed a huge lead in video streams to be #1. Maybe someone with real numbers can tell us how close it was for #1. It was also 2nd behind Tik Tok, with YT views included, Bad Romance definitely would've had the edge. Also, Baby by JB would've had impressive longevity
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Post by Private Dancer on Feb 22, 2022 16:14:34 GMT -5
"Bad Romance" was #1 behind "Empire State of Mind." "Empire" had a huge lead in airplay at that time, and was top 4 in sales. So, "BR" might have needed a huge lead in video streams to be #1. Maybe someone with real numbers can tell us how close it was for #1. It was also 2nd behind Tik Tok, with YT views included, Bad Romance definitely would've had the edge. Also, Baby by JB would've had impressive longevity Baby would've been #1 no doubt. I felt like a #1
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Feb 22, 2022 21:42:54 GMT -5
Wow "Disturbia" was a weak ass #1. Even more shocking because it's her second best selling song (digital) in the states only behind WFL. It must of had some decent longevity. Yeah, 14 weeks in the top 10, 26 in the top 20 and 37 overall. That's pretty great for a (2000s) song that debuted in the top 20, and after all, it was the 64th biggest song of the decade. It's also Rih's 6th biggest song and interestingly, her biggest solo song (4th as a lead artist).
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