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Post by 3chords on Aug 22, 2022 9:40:59 GMT -5
This whole thread is making me LOL. Carrie is doing completely fine. She could release another gospel album and it could sell 70k for all we know. She’s gonna start her huge tour and there will be people in the seats. And legacy acts are not a bad thing. We’ve been calling Miranda Sonys legacy act for a couple years now in comparison to Maren and Kane and Luke. Most artists aren’t relevant long enough to even achieve that. IMO it gives them more freedom to experiment with things like side projects.
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Post by taylor on Aug 22, 2022 9:53:27 GMT -5
^^ Echo the side projects thing. I just know there’s a covers album coming eventually; and that excites me.
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Post by theyaintready on Aug 22, 2022 10:53:01 GMT -5
Who cares if she's a legacy act. It means she's a legend that will continue to work for as long as she wants. Country radio already doesn't have a great reputation in regards to female artists, so it's no surprise that 40+ ladies are gonna find it even harder to get traction. And just because she's no longer an automatic #1 with every single release doesn't mean she can't continue to have hits.
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Post by raylatch98 on Aug 22, 2022 11:38:14 GMT -5
At the end of the day Carrie Underwood is doing just fine but I am annoyed that imo poor single choices have derailed her radio momentum overall since she was in such a great spot in like 2016 and 2017 and then the last album era both her and her team sabotaged it with the Cry Pretty album.
She'll be fine no matter what as Carrie Underwood is very successful but as someone who loves to chart watch it's annoying how much her single choices have been lackluster as I haven't cared for a single from her in quite a while now. Hell even "Ghost Story" isn't exactly a song that imo works well being heard on the radio so much.
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Post by zdm1998 on Aug 22, 2022 11:55:58 GMT -5
At the end of the day Carrie Underwood is doing just fine but I am annoyed that imo poor single choices have derailed her radio momentum overall since she was in such a great spot in like 2016 and 2017 and then the last album era both her and her team sabotaged it with the Cry Pretty album. She'll be fine no matter what as Carrie Underwood is very successful but as someone who loves to chart watch it's annoying how much her single choices have been lackluster as I haven't cared for a single from her in quite a while now. Hell even "Ghost Story" isn't exactly a song that imo works well being heard on the radio so much. This is where I am. For a while I just thought she didn't have the material, but after hearing the album in full, I really want to know who heard GS and said make it a single, let alone the lead single, when she had many stronger options on the album. I do know there will be a day that eventually radio does start moving on from Carrie, while I don't think it's right now, I do think the more frequently her/her team keep making these weak single choices, the sooner it will happen.
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Post by Hil on Aug 22, 2022 17:30:09 GMT -5
As long as she doesn't reach a point where she stops releasing music or takes a long time in between her albums then I'll be happy. I do not want another Trisha Yearwood situation where they can go 10+ years without releasing an album. Gurl I've always feared she'd pull a Faith Hill and go be with her family. lmao If it makes you feel any better I don't think she will. She's always said she wants to have a career like Dolly and Reba. Not saying as time passes she won't take breaks, but from what I can see she simply loves it too much. She's had a lot of performances this year other than her tour, and consistently plays the opry. When you have a greatest hits album and call it 'Decade 1' it seems like you're planning on more decades lol I guess things can always change, and she may be quiet for longer periods of time, but unless something drastic happens I can't see her going the Faith route.
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Post by gardyfan on Aug 22, 2022 17:38:26 GMT -5
IMO a legacy act is someone who no longer gets airplay of new songs, like Alan Jackson, George Strait, or Reba. I think it's pretty simple to see it that way.
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Post by tigerman2022 on Aug 22, 2022 18:54:23 GMT -5
Oh, my. This is not looking good. GS got passed over by a significantly older song and possibly soon by much newer ones. The path to #1 would be a long one. Maybe hang in there long enough to push it to Top 5, call it a day, and bring on Single 2. At this point, Ghost Story could still be toiling around leading up to Halloween, which could be a Tik Tok opp if played correctly. (Heck, maybe the horror route would have been a good route to go for the video.) But, beyond that, even though I do like the song, I'm starting to be convinced by all of you posting that moving to single #2 sooner than later might be the right move.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 22, 2022 21:38:54 GMT -5
Oh, my. This is not looking good. GS got passed over by a significantly older song and possibly soon by much newer ones. The path to #1 would be a long one. Maybe hang in there long enough to push it to Top 5, call it a day, and bring on Single 2. At this point, Ghost Story could still be toiling around leading up to Halloween, which could be a Tik Tok opp if played correctly. (Heck, maybe the horror route would have been a good route to go for the video.) But, beyond that, even though I do like the song, I'm starting to be convinced by all of you posting that moving to single #2 sooner than later might be the right move. “Wishful Drinking” isn’t that much older than “Ghost Story” - 11 weeks - and it’s been growing pretty rapidly lately so that’s nothing to be too concerned about. Carrie has been consistently doing better than Jackson Dean (#14) and is 4mil in audience ahead of Old Dominion (#15). Kane Brown and Scotty McCreery should go recurrent next week, which would put Carrie at #11 and next in line for top 10. Chris Young should drop quickly and Justin Moore is maxing this week, so in 2 weeks Carrie should safely enter the top 10. “Ghost Story” is still far from a slam-dunk #1 but it’s doing okay right now. Falling back one spot because Ingrid’s big hit doesn’t mean the end is near for “Ghost Story”.
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Post by 14887fan on Aug 23, 2022 0:28:50 GMT -5
So proud of Grandmammy Carrie for puttin’ those tennis balls on her walker and really scootin’ her legacy hiney into the top 10 with “Ghost Story.”
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Post by taylor on Aug 23, 2022 7:18:42 GMT -5
So proud of Grandmammy Carrie for puttin’ those tennis balls on her walker and really scootin’ her legacy hiney into the top 10 with “Ghost Story.” The image that I just had of Carrie Underwood in her elderly age doing this… this is why you’re so iconic.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Aug 23, 2022 10:39:34 GMT -5
Oh, my. This is not looking good. GS got passed over by a significantly older song and possibly soon by much newer ones. The path to #1 would be a long one. Maybe hang in there long enough to push it to Top 5, call it a day, and bring on Single 2. At this point, Ghost Story could still be toiling around leading up to Halloween, which could be a Tik Tok opp if played correctly. (Heck, maybe the horror route would have been a good route to go for the video.) But, beyond that, even though I do like the song, I'm starting to be convinced by all of you posting that moving to single #2 sooner than later might be the right move. “Wishful Drinking” isn’t that much older than “Ghost Story” - 11 weeks - and it’s been growing pretty rapidly lately so that’s nothing to be too concerned about. Carrie has been consistently doing better than Jackson Dean (#14) and is 4mil in audience ahead of Old Dominion (#15). Kane Brown and Scotty McCreery should go recurrent next week, which would put Carrie at #11 and next in line for top 10. Chris Young should drop quickly and Justin Moore is maxing this week, so in 2 weeks Carrie should safely enter the top 10. “Ghost Story” is still far from a slam-dunk #1 but it’s doing okay right now. Falling back one spot because Ingrid’s big hit doesn’t mean the end is near for “Ghost Story”. Parmalee needs to start dropping too. I was shocked to see “Take My Name” at #3 on BB Airplay this week. Didn’t that song peak months ago?
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 23, 2022 11:28:16 GMT -5
Oh, my. This is not looking good. GS got passed over by a significantly older song and possibly soon by much newer ones. The path to #1 would be a long one. Maybe hang in there long enough to push it to Top 5, call it a day, and bring on Single 2. At this point, Ghost Story could still be toiling around leading up to Halloween, which could be a Tik Tok opp if played correctly. (Heck, maybe the horror route would have been a good route to go for the video.) But, beyond that, even though I do like the song, I'm starting to be convinced by all of you posting that moving to single #2 sooner than later might be the right move. “Wishful Drinking” isn’t that much older than “Ghost Story” - 11 weeks - and it’s been growing pretty rapidly lately so that’s nothing to be too concerned about. Carrie has been consistently doing better than Jackson Dean (#14) and is 4mil in audience ahead of Old Dominion (#15). Kane Brown and Scotty McCreery should go recurrent next week, which would put Carrie at #11 and next in line for top 10. Chris Young should drop quickly and Justin Moore is maxing this week, so in 2 weeks Carrie should safely enter the top 10. “Ghost Story” is still far from a slam-dunk #1 but it’s doing okay right now. Falling back one spot because Ingrid’s big hit doesn’t mean the end is near for “Ghost Story”. Well the issue to me is more that "GS" has been hovering around #10 on Mediabase (i.e. in the 9-11 range) for literal months now. It has been passed by a lot of songs at this point, and it hangs where it is because other songs go recurrent. I'm sure Morgan Wallen's current single will pass it this week, too. Yes it's still slowly climbing, but why has it stalled to some degree while other songs have been able to pass it? Look at its Mediabase run in terms of the week ending position: June 26 - #13 July 3 - #12 July 10 - #11 July 17 - #11 July 24 - #12 July 31 - #11 August 7 - #11 August 14 - #9 August 21 - #9 August 28 - #9 or #10 So literally across 10 chart weeks it will have only risen 3-4 spots. “Wishful Drinking” isn’t that much older than “Ghost Story” - 11 weeks - and it’s been growing pretty rapidly lately so that’s nothing to be too concerned about. Carrie has been consistently doing better than Jackson Dean (#14) and is 4mil in audience ahead of Old Dominion (#15). Kane Brown and Scotty McCreery should go recurrent next week, which would put Carrie at #11 and next in line for top 10. Chris Young should drop quickly and Justin Moore is maxing this week, so in 2 weeks Carrie should safely enter the top 10. “Ghost Story” is still far from a slam-dunk #1 but it’s doing okay right now. Falling back one spot because Ingrid’s big hit doesn’t mean the end is near for “Ghost Story”. Parmalee needs to start dropping too. I was shocked to see “Take My Name” at #3 on BB Airplay this week. Didn’t that song peak months ago? The Billboard recurrent rules are different from Mediabase of course. It's harder to track Billboard, but "GS" has been hovering around #12 on Billboard Country Airplay for months.
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Post by zdm1998 on Aug 23, 2022 12:04:13 GMT -5
I think a part of the reason it's been getting passed is the top 10 is extremely strong right now. The only songs on the weaker side are At The End of A Bar, With A Woman You Love, and Ghost Story, and even those three are not drastically weak.
I'd argue those other 7 songs in the top 10 are among the strongest in the entire top 30. The only odd ball is Truth About You; which isn't selling/streaming like the others, but radio is obsessed with it for whatever reason.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Aug 23, 2022 12:30:08 GMT -5
“Wishful Drinking” isn’t that much older than “Ghost Story” - 11 weeks - and it’s been growing pretty rapidly lately so that’s nothing to be too concerned about. Carrie has been consistently doing better than Jackson Dean (#14) and is 4mil in audience ahead of Old Dominion (#15). Kane Brown and Scotty McCreery should go recurrent next week, which would put Carrie at #11 and next in line for top 10. Chris Young should drop quickly and Justin Moore is maxing this week, so in 2 weeks Carrie should safely enter the top 10. “Ghost Story” is still far from a slam-dunk #1 but it’s doing okay right now. Falling back one spot because Ingrid’s big hit doesn’t mean the end is near for “Ghost Story”. Parmalee needs to start dropping too. I was shocked to see “Take My Name” at #3 on BB Airplay this week. Didn’t that song peak months ago? Hopefully now that they have their new single at radio (went for adds this week), “Take Your Name” will start falling a little faster. Not sure why radio is keeping such a strong grip on that one, but hopefully it’ll go recurrent in the next 2-3 weeks too to make more room. “Wishful Drinking” isn’t that much older than “Ghost Story” - 11 weeks - and it’s been growing pretty rapidly lately so that’s nothing to be too concerned about. Carrie has been consistently doing better than Jackson Dean (#14) and is 4mil in audience ahead of Old Dominion (#15). Kane Brown and Scotty McCreery should go recurrent next week, which would put Carrie at #11 and next in line for top 10. Chris Young should drop quickly and Justin Moore is maxing this week, so in 2 weeks Carrie should safely enter the top 10. “Ghost Story” is still far from a slam-dunk #1 but it’s doing okay right now. Falling back one spot because Ingrid’s big hit doesn’t mean the end is near for “Ghost Story”. Well the issue to me is more that "GS" has been hovering around #10 on Mediabase (i.e. in the 9-11 range) for literal months now. It has been passed by a lot of songs at this point, and it hangs where it is because other songs go recurrent. I'm sure Morgan Wallen's current single will pass it this week, too. Yes it's still slowly climbing, but why has it stalled to some degree while other songs have been able to pass it? Look at its Mediabase run in terms of the week ending position: June 26 - #13 July 3 - #12 July 10 - #11 July 17 - #11 July 24 - #12 July 31 - #11 August 7 - #11 August 14 - #9 August 21 - #9 August 28 - #9 or #10 So literally across 10 chart weeks it will have only risen 3-4 spots. Parmalee needs to start dropping too. I was shocked to see “Take My Name” at #3 on BB Airplay this week. Didn’t that song peak months ago? The Billboard recurrent rules are different from Mediabase of course. It's harder to track Billboard, but "GS" has been hovering around #12 on Billboard Country Airplay for months. I don’t pay much attention to MB, so not completely sure, but frequently songs hang around #10 and wait for those power conversions to get more points (for MB) or audience impressions (for billboard) to continue moving up the chart. Carrie has been getting passed because she’s not converting as much as other songs, which is why she’s hung around near the same spot for awhile. It’s a tad surprising that GS isn’t converting as much yet since it’s testing so well but we’ll see what happens once it gets a little higher in the top 10 on Billboard. Especially when talking about top 10 conversions, Billboard is the better chart to look at because (generically) songs don’t go recurrent until the leave the top 10, where on MB they can still be top 10 in airplay/spins for months after they’ve gone recurrent (see the above Parmalee example). So while Carrie is #9 or #10 on MB, there are several songs that are recurrent on MB that are higher in airplay/spins than her still. So her position is a little misleading as she’s probably truly the #12 or #13 top played song on country radio right now, meaning she’s still waiting for those conversions. Lots of mid-sized or lesser hits hit a wall before entering the top 10 as they wait for those conversions and yes, Carrie has been there for awhile since there have been a lot of big hits that have passed her, but she should soon start getting some of those conversions to get her further into the top 10 on both charts. I would just wait another 2-4 weeks (and this is to everyone panicking in this thread) before declaring this done because those conversions should be coming soon and GS will (hopefully) start to see some healthier gains to progress toward the top of the chart.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 23, 2022 12:34:47 GMT -5
Especially when talking about top 10 conversions, Billboard is the better chart to look at because (generically) songs don’t go recurrent until the leave the top 10, where on MB they can still be top 10 in airplay/spins for months after they’ve gone recurrent (see the above Parmalee example). So while Carrie is #9 or #10 on MB, there are several songs that are recurrent on MB that are higher in airplay/spins than her still. So her position is a little misleading as she’s probably truly the #12 or #13 top played song on country radio right now, meaning she’s still waiting for those conversions. Lots of mid-sized or lesser hits hit a wall before entering the top 10 as they wait for those conversions and yes, Carrie has been there for awhile since there have been a lot of big hits that have passed her, but she should soon start getting some of those conversions to get her further into the top 10 on both charts. I would just wait another 2-4 weeks (and this is to everyone panicking in this thread) before declaring this done because those conversions should be coming soon and GS will (hopefully) start to see some healthier gains to progress toward the top of the chart. Either way the point is that "GS" has been hanging around the same position for 2+ months while other songs pass it. Whether it's hanging around #12 or #10 is sort of beside the point. I'm also not sure I've seen where anyone said the song is done, though maybe I missed it. I think many of us are just frustrated that the album has gone AWOL while we just wait around for "GS" to sloooowly climb.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 23, 2022 17:56:19 GMT -5
The only odd ball is Truth About You; which isn't selling/streaming like the others, but radio is obsessed with it for whatever reason. "Truth About You" was moving the needle a lot when it was first released, which is part of why it slowly caught on with country radio, but like many songs where this happens, its popularity in sales/streaming wanes over time since this one has literally been out for over a year at this point, despite the increase in airplay.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 31, 2022 12:24:57 GMT -5
Tyler Hubbard's single looks like it could overtake "GS" on Mediabase this week, which would leave "GS" stuck at #9 again. That would mean in over 2 months it will have only moved up 4 positions.
June 26 - #13 July 3 - #12 July 10 - #11 July 17 - #11 July 24 - #12 July 31 - #11 August 7 - #11 August 14 - #9 August 21 - #9 August 28 - #9 September 4 - #9?
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Post by zdm1998 on Aug 31, 2022 14:10:58 GMT -5
Probably will pass GS since radio is being fickle with this song. I'd love another #1 as much as the next person, but i'm started to get on board with the, lets try something else that can actually start to get this era into gear, cause the general public seems to be done with this one, I know I am. I figure it wouldn't make a difference to keep pushing it until CMA time, since that's the next big platform to launch the next single, but I surely hope they don't keep hanging onto this after that. Her single choices after her move to Capitol have been so frustrating.
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Post by Elusive Chanteuse on Aug 31, 2022 16:13:12 GMT -5
I honestly don’t see Capitol letting this one go anytime soon since it’s technically not as old as some of the other songs on the chart. They might try to have Ghost Story stick around in time for Halloween. But like everyone else, I’m ready for them to move on to something new (as long as it is a smart single choice).
Fingers crossed for an adds date in early to mid October for the next single and a performance launch at the CMAs.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Aug 31, 2022 16:58:01 GMT -5
I think getting this to top 10 on BB is a win at this point. Capitol should take that and move on to single #2. Something that will sell the album, along with the tour.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Aug 31, 2022 17:14:30 GMT -5
If the album was selling/streaming well, I’d say ride out GS, but it’s not.
CU has a huge fan base that probably doesn’t jump on new releases right away, but that’s just not happening either due to lack of awareness or, more likely, indifference to GS.
Get BB Top 10 and launch something new. As many have noted, several other high profile artist release are moving up the charts quickly. GS is not.
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Post by tigerman2022 on Aug 31, 2022 21:42:45 GMT -5
I do like Ghost Story, but I've honestly started skipping it when playing the album. Doing that means a transition from "Velvet Heartbreak" to "Hate My Heart," which I prefer at this point. I honestly hate to say that, but Ghost Story has run it's course, in my opinion.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 2, 2022 13:06:26 GMT -5
They can probably manage a top 5 peak here, but will be interesting to see how invested Capitol is in this and whether they will be willing to ride this all the way to the top or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 19:51:16 GMT -5
UMG just posted an ad for “power up” so it seems they’re going to try to take this to #1
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Post by raylatch98 on Sept 2, 2022 20:06:43 GMT -5
Well Carrie Underwood is co-hosting CCUSA two weeks from now so it does make sense why their are Power Up Ads.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 2, 2022 20:29:49 GMT -5
UMG just posted an ad for “power up” so it seems they’re going to try to take this to #1 That will take until late October or even November at this point. It seems like it would be better for the album to have a new single doing well during the holiday sales period, even if sales aren't overly great anymore. "GS" sure isn't going to be doing anything for the album then, and a new single won't be getting added during the holiday freeze.
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Post by zdm1998 on Sept 2, 2022 20:56:46 GMT -5
Looking as when she is co hosing CCUSA. The end of this song is near. They’re probably trying to launch a new single ahead of the tour starting in October. Maybe she can do a little promo/late night performances to help get single 2 going ahead of the tour.
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Post by Carriefan1190 on Sept 2, 2022 21:15:40 GMT -5
Well Carrie Underwood is co-hosting CCUSA two weeks from now so it does make sense why their are Power Up Ads. That would tell me that they are probably gonna try to push this to a top 5 peak, because Cole’s song is smashing right now and so is Luke Combs. #1 probably isn’t happening here, but a top 5 peak would easily outdo any single from the Cry Pretty era. I say get it to top 5 and then send either “Crazy Angels” or “Burn” to radio in time to debut it at the CMAs in November.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 6, 2022 10:15:48 GMT -5
Tyler Hubbard's single looks like it could overtake "GS" on Mediabase this week, which would leave "GS" stuck at #9 again. That would mean in over 2 months it will have only moved up 4 positions. June 26 - #13 July 3 - #12 July 10 - #11 July 17 - #11 July 24 - #12 July 31 - #11 August 7 - #11 August 14 - #9 August 21 - #9 August 28 - #9 September 4 - #9? It's official: June 26 - #13 July 3 - #12 July 10 - #11 July 17 - #11 July 24 - #12 July 31 - #11 August 7 - #11 August 14 - #9 August 21 - #9 August 28 - #9 September 4 - #9 With Jon Pardi's song now crashing, "Ghost Story" should finish the September 11 week at #8. So, it will have moved up 5 spots in 11 weeks.
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